Do your morals have any impact on your knife purchases?

Your right, I don't care if there is off topic examples honestly. Its just people have a habit of getting off topic then arguing till a thread is closed. I was trying to keep things from going that way.
leghog said:
Not quite. I hear similar often in discussions of morality vs purchases of specific products. Such broad based statements are easily researched. Your assertion is a common misconception and totally dependent on where you live. In the USA nearly 40% of domestic oil needs are met by domestic product. A significant portion of the rest is met by Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela.


And to the OP, if you want this discussion laser focused and not to bring in larger points of morals vs purchases you need to facilitate that with more than just lamenting certain points being off topic. It seems you want to zero in on something specific and knife company/knife maker related, and if that's the case you need to just put it out there, otherwise expect others to discuss lager issues within morals vs purchases.


Bottom line: most people buy what they want without bothering to research the morality of the company or maker which is perfectly fine.
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Ok ok calm down Dave no need to go for the low blows and bring out the Oprah women/thingy lol
davek14 said:
It just shows to go there are many factors in play. There's the level of need or want for the product as well as the rest of the variables.

How much more would you pay to get it elsewhere? Can you get it elsewhere easily? How much money do you have? Do you need it or want it? What's the "level of immorality"? Does this immorality affect others? How much? Is poor little Tiny Tim sitting in front of the fireplace needing that crutch?

It really feels as if the responses are being guided into predetermined niches. I feel like I'm watching Oprah.


Nicely put there.
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Agreed, lots of good makers. I don't care how good the knife is, if its made by a maker or company I find shady or dishonest I will not put my money in there pocket.
LX_Emergency said:
I wont buy from makers that I don't like. No matter how nice their knives are. For that reason there are a lot of makers that will never see any money from me simply because of the way they treated me or others.

There are plenty of makers out there who make excellent stuff whom I like. Too many to waste time and money on the ones I don't like.
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J85909266 said:
Yes, they do.

I will not buy from Strider due to their lies.

I will not buy from BM because of their misconduct with Spyderco regarding the trademarked hole.

I will not buy from Kershaw/ZT because of the unacceptable attitude of their loudest representative and his massive negative effect on the knife community.

I will not buy from Hinderer because of his sales practices.

I will not buy anything Chinese because of what it represents.

Knives are special to me. I do not look at most products this way, but knives are a window into my soul. My knives are bought with love, and so I must be at peace with their origins.
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While I dont agree with every single one of these points I must applaud you for for being one of the few on this forum not wearing blinders. Its refreshing to see someone who doesnt drink the kool-aid.
 
Agreed, seems most are drunk on kool aid or just like fitting in with other fanboys.
PURPLEDC said:
While I dont agree with every single one of these points I must applaud you for for being one of the few on this forum not wearing blinders. Its refreshing to see someone who doesnt drink the kool-aid.
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I appreciate your posts so come on back. I was just trying to keep this booger from getting off course and closed up. No harm meant
Rey HRH said:
I apologize; I can be quite dense at times. I was insensitive to the protocols of this discussion thread. I would like to get back on track.

I am a person of moral standards and, as such, I will not buy a knife from a company that engages in shady practices or is owned or run by someone who has a shady background or current life.

There you go. And you can rest assured that this will be my last post in this thread.
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shinyedges said:
Your right, I don't care if there is off topic examples honestly. Its just people have a habit of getting off topic then arguing till a thread is closed. I was trying to keep things from going that way.
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shinyedges said:
Ok ok calm down Dave no need to go for the low blows and bring out the Oprah women/thingy lol
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Sorry mon.

You're right about threads turning to arguments. Sometimes our over analyzation can contribute to that as well. Hey, I'm off work with a semi- serious cut. I'm bored and I'm probably guilty of rambling and derailment. I have been before. Mea Culpa.

The Oprah thing was 'cause Oprah would harangue guests till she got the answer she wanted. I'm ashamed that I know that. (Honest Your Honour, my lady friend at the time would have it on. I tried not to look..... OK here's my man card. (sniff))

I just sense an agenda, I may be wrong.
 
I wish your healing time to go faster, na no agenda just a fellow knife nut wondering what others think. People have posted all kinds of opinions in this thread I'm not trying to get any specific answers... I agree with the ones who don't put money in the pockets of shady, dishonest companies. While I don't agree with the folks who only care about the knife its there choice and I asked them for their opinion and I respect there choice.
davek14 said:
Sorry mon.

You're right about threads turning to arguments. Sometimes our over analyzation can contribute to that as well. Hey, I'm off work with a semi- serious cut. I'm bored and I'm probably guilty of rambling and derailment. I have been before. Mea Culpa.

The Oprah thing was 'cause Oprah would harangue guests till she got the answer she wanted. I'm ashamed that I know that. (Honest Your Honour, my lady friend at the time would have it on. I tried not to look..... OK here's my man card. (sniff))

I just sense an agenda, I may be wrong.
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shinyedges said:
I wish your healing time to go faster, na no agenda just a fellow knife nut wondering what others think. People have posted all kinds of opinions in this thread I'm not trying to get any specific answers... I agree with the ones who don't put money in the pockets of shady, dishonest companies. While I don't agree with the folks who only care about the knife its there choice and I asked them for their opinion and I respect there choice.
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Thanks much for your well wishes guy. Have a good 'n
 
And your man card is fine as long as you don't tune in to Oprah when your alone in the house lol also if your a bystander while its on you don't have to like it. Ha
 
nick21 said:
I dislike buying from companies like Emerson and Cold Steel who market their products as weapons. Makes knife owners look bad in my opinion
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Emerson does NOT make knife owners look bad. Idiots who whip their knives out at inappropriate times do. Ernie Emerson is a very well respected person
 
Precisely why asked for companies not being named. Let's move on from that post thanks.
mmarkh said:
Emerson does NOT make knife owners look bad. Idiots who whip their knives out at inappropriate times do. Ernie Emerson is a very well respected person
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Weighing in ultra late but for what its worth.

... not sure what dishonesty everyone is talking about with Strider? I'll do some looking and find the other related threads on my own...
However, when I was stationed at Camp Pendelton back in the early 2000's a lot of guys were carrying Strider and I never saw one fail... granted they are ugly (IMHO) but a knife is a tool first.. so I went by their shop which wasn't far away cash in hand wanting to see their shop(as a curious young knife maker) and was shocked at the extremely rude reception.

My primary deterent when buying a knife is if they make outlandish claims (all steel has limits) or if they act like they are the keepers of the grail.

As to other companies that market their knives as weapons.... well I do this as well so that in itself is obviously not a deterrent for me... as a combat vet a blade is to me first and foremost a weapon. So marketing a knife designed for combat as a knife designed for combat (or historically designed for combat) is simply extolling the fact that it is designed to withstand combat.
... unless of course its a skinner or kitchen knife.
 
I got through about half of page three so no clue where this topic is now, but my morals dictate every thought, every word, every action and every choice I make.
 
Yeah, morals and scruples do dictate a lot of decisions I make regarding knife brands. I won't buy anything other than USA Made, Canadian Made, German Made, or Swedish Made. I don't respect companies that outsource their knife production, then still charge premium prices for their knives made in China or Taiwan. Also, dishonesty regarding Stolen Valor, false performance claims, and fake testimonials really make me irate.
 
Sosa said:
It's a totenkopf. His father was a member of the Austrian nazi party. Some of His movies are good though.[/Q
The totenkopf was a ring given to SS members by Himmler after 2 years of unblemished service. They remained the property of the SS
and were supposed to be returned upon the demise of the recipient.
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I've never watched a full episode of Oprah, but I did watch one where she gave a guy a car, that was pretty cool. It's too bad she pigeonholes question and answer sessions.
 
Oprah never gave any of those people anything, in truth. They were donated by companies to get advertisment.
 
Really? That's a shame. She's worth so much I was hoping the expenses came out of her own pocket.
 
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