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Doan Magnesium Firestarter

i have a coghlans one and i dont at all like it it takes a lot of time to shave enough mag off to be useful
 
Sorry, i;m going to be blunt here. Mag bars SUCK more than Obama. You need a freaking stanley jack plane to get any kind of decent shavings, the ferro rod wears out long before the mag bar even reaches 1% worn.
 
What are your thoughts on these? Any good? Hard to use? I've heard the magnesium lights easy and goes out quickly.


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The magnesium flares very hot but just for a short amount of time.

I like the Doan mag blocks better that any others and apparently so does the U.S military....all the ones I buy are issue.
 
I usually use an Opinel for the shavings. The knife shaves mag well.
Also, if you're not lazy, and shave enough magnesium, you'll have to strike the rod once or twice- max. Thus the rod will last for a loooooong while.
 
There was this thread..."which three items for survival"...and quite a few came up with 1. Knife. 2. Firesteel. 3. pot or tarp...

I tried this firesteel thing tonite...what a hassle...vaseline impregnated cottonwool fires with one spark...(i dont have that with me in the three things scenario)...natural tinder has to be real dry, and you have to be sooooo careful....)
i would rather go for a box of matches...or a bic lighter...hey if i had to cross water or somethin, id put it in my mouth...tried this...works after while again...i wud go with matches...then bic...then firesteel...any thoughts?
 
Btw..this was not a Doan...it was some cheap version...but i reckon the firestell was the same( i took it off the crap piece of mag bar with a pincer tool...easy, one press and it came apart
 
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I tried this firesteel thing tonite...what a hassle... ...i wud go with matches...then bic...then firesteel...any thoughts?

Firesteel...practice, practice,practice.......

Matches or Bic? Lot's more lights from a bic (unless of course you take along a thousand matches or more) and it's not as temperamental about moisture. In a must have situation only one lighter is a lot of eggs in one basket, it breaks and you are left with nothing.

Many go with the firesteel because although it requires a little more effort it will last a long time, doesn't care about water, and it's just about indestructible.
 
Firesteel...practice, practice,practice.......

Matches or Bic? Lot's more lights from a bic (unless of course you take along a thousand matches or more) and it's not as temperamental about moisture. In a must have situation only one lighter is a lot of eggs in one basket, it breaks and you are left with nothing.

Many go with the firesteel because although it requires a little more effort it will last a long time, doesn't care about water, and it's just about indestructible.

+1 on this. Sound advice.

Matches were the thing to have way back when... before Bic lighters hit the scene. Carry several spread about your person.

While Bics are the easiest to use, I would never think of going out without a fire steel. It's far more reliable than even a Bic.
 
in regards to my previous rant about mag bars, the one i have is a coghlans. haven't found DOAN around here, nor do I use online ordering,
 
There was this thread..."which three items for survival"...and quite a few came up with 1. Knife. 2. Firesteel. 3. pot or tarp...

I tried this firesteel thing tonite...what a hassle...vaseline impregnated cottonwool fires with one spark...(i dont have that with me in the three things scenario)...natural tinder has to be real dry, and you have to be sooooo careful....)
i would rather go for a box of matches...or a bic lighter...hey if i had to cross water or somethin, id put it in my mouth...tried this...works after while again...i wud go with matches...then bic...then firesteel...any thoughts?

Firesteels are considered the best survival items because they are practically unlimited in sparking capacity, practically indestructible and completely waterproof. These advantages come at the consequence of ease of use.

A bic lighter is easy to use and long lasting but also easily damaged. Matches are easy to use but run out quick and aren't long lasting.

The other issue is skill. Firesteels are difficult if you don't know how to use them. But, so are flame sources. You don't just start logs on a fire with a match. Taking the scout axiom, to light a fire with one match, is one that encourages skill. You plan your fire first, gathering all your tinder and kindling ahead of time then you light it. Most people that can't light a fire don't get this and they just light something up but can't sustain the fire.

A firesteel is the same, but just requires more planning. You need more flammable tinder and that means you need to work on your skills to identify appropriate tinder. Folks who are good at this rarely find nature to be shorthanded in this regard. You just have to know what to look for. Finally, when you get a flash tinder to accept a spark and convert it to flame, you have to nurse that into a health sustained fire.

In the end, if you practice with a firesteel and can start a fire up regularly using a firesteel, you possess all the skills you need to make a good fire with most types of ignition source. The problem with people relying on matches and lighters is that they never properly learn the discipline of tinder preparation and how that translates into a good fire. Hence, most people don't know how to build a fire. That doesn't change even when you hand them a lighter. Alternatively, maybe they are okay with a lighter in an ideal situation. Then they find themselves in a challenging situation - wet, rain, snow, sleet. Their lighter doesn't work good because they don't know how to collect dry tinder and don't know how to nurse the flame.

Lighters and matches are easier and they force lazy habits. They become a crutch because people falsely assume that fires are easier to start than they really are. They falsely assume that their technology substitutes for skill of building a fire. Certainly somebody who possess skills will always find a lighter easier to start a fire than a firesteel. It just turns out that the guys who use a firesteel are more likely to possess the skills because the use of a firesteel forces them to practice those skills.

I know I'm being redundant as heck above, but we get these questions and comments often enough about primitive fire methods and why not just use a lighter. Once you've mastered firesteel you might even get interested in more primitive methods like a traditional flint and steel or bow drill. These are even more challenging and difficult to start a fire. However, they force you to learn even more skills. With any luck, in the end you start to think of this skill and practicing stuff as being fun to do and then you'll come around to our perspective of things.

You did raise a very good point though. The average joe who buys one of these, throws it in their pack for survival, but never uses it is likely going to be unsuccessful when they most need its services.
 
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I keep one and use it with conjuction with my multitool,I use the saw or file portion to get a pile of magnesium shavings going ...place my dead leave twigs bark from a evergreen tree (TX) pulls off in ribbons and ball it up in palm of hand ,couple of hand motions like a bar of soap and excellent tinder ball,strike rod ,sparks hop around bump into mag shavings everything goes poof and have a fire !
 
Firesteels are considered the best survival items because they are practically unlimited in sparking capacity, practically indestructible and completely waterproof. These advantages come at the consequence of ease of use.

A bic lighter is easy to use and long lasting but also easily damaged. Matches are easy to use but run out quick and aren't long lasting.

The other issue is skill. Firesteels are difficult if you don't know how to use them. But, so are flame sources. You don't just start logs on a fire with a match. Taking the scout axiom, to light a fire with one match, is one that encourages skill. You plan your fire first, gathering all your tinder and kindling ahead of time then you light it. Most people that can't light a fire don't get this and they just light something up but can't sustain the fire.

A firesteel is the same, but just requires more planning. You need more flammable tinder and that means you need to work on your skills to identify appropriate tinder. Folks who are good at this rarely find nature to be shorthanded in this regard. You just have to know what to look for. Finally, when you get a flash tinder to accept a spark and convert it to flame, you have to nurse that into a health sustained fire.

In the end, if you practice with a firesteel and can start a fire up regularly using a firesteel, you possess all the skills you need to make a good fire with most types of ignition source. The problem with people relying on matches and lighters is that they never properly learn the discipline of tinder preparation and how that translates into a good fire. Hence, most people don't know how to build a fire. That doesn't change even when you hand them a lighter. Alternatively, maybe they are okay with a lighter in an ideal situation. Then they find themselves in a challenging situation - wet, rain, snow, sleet. Their lighter doesn't work good because they don't know how to collect dry tinder and don't know how to nurse the flame.

Lighters and matches are easier and they force lazy habits.

Vert good post, Ken.:thumbup::thumbup:

Think of it this way: you don't build a building without first putting in a foundation, then supports, then finally the roof and walls. In this case the tinder is the foundation, the supports are kindling, and the walls and roof are the bigger sticks or logs.
 
Firesteels are considered the best survival items because they are practically unlimited in sparking capacity, practically indestructible and completely waterproof. These advantages come at the consequence of ease of use.

A bic lighter is easy to use and long lasting but also easily damaged. Matches are easy to use but run out quick and aren't long lasting.

The other issue is skill. Firesteels are difficult if you don't know how to use them. But, so are flame sources. You don't just start logs on a fire with a match. Taking the scout axiom, to light a fire with one match, is one that encourages skill. You plan your fire first, gathering all your tinder and kindling ahead of time then you light it. Most people that can't light a fire don't get this and they just light something up but can't sustain the fire.

A firesteel is the same, but just requires more planning. You need more flammable tinder and that means you need to work on your skills to identify appropriate tinder. Folks who are good at this rarely find nature to be shorthanded in this regard. You just have to know what to look for. Finally, when you get a flash tinder to accept a spark and convert it to flame, you have to nurse that into a health sustained fire.

In the end, if you practice with a firesteel and can start a fire up regularly using a firesteel, you possess all the skills you need to make a good fire with most types of ignition source. The problem with people relying on matches and lighters is that they never properly learn the discipline of tinder preparation and how that translates into a good fire. Hence, most people don't know how to build a fire. That doesn't change even when you hand them a lighter. Alternatively, maybe they are okay with a lighter in an ideal situation. Then they find themselves in a challenging situation - wet, rain, snow, sleet. Their lighter doesn't work good because they don't know how to collect dry tinder and don't know how to nurse the flame.

Lighters and matches are easier and they force lazy habits. They become a crutch because people falsely assume that fires are easier to start than they really are. They falsely assume that their technology substitutes for skill of building a fire. Certainly somebody who possess skills will always find a lighter easier to start a fire than a firesteel. It just turns out that the guys who use a firesteel are more likely to possess the skills because the use of a firesteel forces them to practice those skills.

I know I'm being redundant as heck above, but we get these questions and comments often enough about primitive fire methods and why not just use a lighter. Once you've mastered firesteel you might even get interested in more primitive methods like a traditional flint and steel or bow drill. These are even more challenging and difficult to start a fire. However, they force you to learn even more skills. With any luck, in the end you start to think of this skill and practicing stuff as being fun to do and then you'll come around to our perspective of things.

You did raise a very good point though. The average joe who buys one of these, throws it in their pack for survival, but never uses it is likely going to be unsuccessful when they most need its services.

Ken,

Very well written with a clear message. I don't like reading long posts, but I did on this one. :thumbup:
 
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