Docbart The Final Word

GaryM,

Take several deep breaths.

My last post was not (nor is this post) intended to incite you any further than you already are. I don't need you rallying "the community" to send me "hate mail."
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You totally missed the entire intent of my last post! Read your first post on this thread.

"I propose we as a community let Docbart know we do not tolerate his behavior. We can do this by each sending him an e-mail with a simple message. "Do The Right Thing" Make it the subject and all mail on the same day, say 4-7-00. All those in favor say I."

"I propose we as a community......

I sympathize with you! But you weren't part of the "deals gone bad" with Doc Bart were you? When did you become the rally spokesperson for "this community?" If I remember correctly there are several people who possess the titles of "spokespeople" for this Forum. I'm lookin' at your moniker and it doesn't reflect that status level.


"let Docbart know we do not tolerate his behavior"

That's been done! Again, I think that if a poll were taken "most" of the forumites would tell you that they consider his conduct and behavior lacking of what it takes to be a "Ka-Nife Nut." Look at the other posts made in the Good, the Bad and the Ugly to get an idea.

"Do The Right Thing"

I totally agree with you. Doc Bart needs to do the right thing! But again, look at the other posts made in the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. I don't think that anyone heard, saw or smelt Doc Bart running to beat on the Forums doors to proclaim his guilt and come clean. Did you? If I'm not mistaken, the individuals that were part of the "deals gone bad" with Doc Bart asked Spark and or Mike to step in and assist. That happened! I think that Spark reported the outcome of a specific e-mail that Doc Bart sent to him. Hence, posting rights revoked. I know..........not strong enough censure for sure ~ ~ ~ but a step in the right direction.

Latest post..........

"I can hardly believe I have to defend this effort but here goes."

You don't have to defend your effort(s) to me. As with most of your statements this one also permeates the bandwagon and or emotional appeal (ranges from the use of emotionally charged words to name-calling).

"Community-a body of people living in the same place under the same laws. This in a sense is what we are. A member has violated a core law. TRUST! And he has been unrepentant and without defense. He knows he has done wrong. This effort is meant to reinforce that the rest of the community also recognizes his transgressions."

I've followed the other threads. But this above statement makes you a street-corner lawyer, judge and the hangman! Again, when were you appointed as the spokesperson for the "rest of the community."

Yet, "DocBart" isn't phased by your or anyone else's actions. If you had any thoughts (up to 30 Mar 00) that he was going to hang around with the same e-mail address that he used to "rip-off" several of the fine members of "our community" then you were surely mistaken! I think that it's rather humorous that you thought that he was going to wait around until 8 Apr 00 then change his e-mail address. Even in battle there is a thing called, "the element of surprise."
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("all mail on the same day, say 4-7-00.")

The guy is a POS. Do you know what "POS" means? He's a hump, a Richard, a hole, etc.......

"What are the wronged to do? Find out where Docbart lives and file in small claims court in his district? It's not worth the cost of fileing, travel, time off work etc. Unless GigOne wants to pay for it all in the name of "legal recourse."

And by the way......there are other "legal recourses" other than "small claims courts." But again, another statement that permeates the bandwagon and or emotional appeal. No matter what you may think of "our" laws ~ ~ ~ they're there for all to adhere to (including Doc Bart) not push to the curb when you don't think that justice is done! And then attempt to rally the folks to play your own "hammer~time."

"The point is a show of support for right -v- wrong not harassment."

Your effort and intent is to show your support by "a 1 time show of support" for the wronged ~ ~ ~ no matter what you call it ~ ~ ~ it's still harassment. Did you actually read your dictionary quote? What you're asking others to do is harass our resident "POS."

"My proposal is for a 1 time show of support for the wronged. As a community I think it's the least we can do. You can sit by and do nothing or you can take a stand."

This above quote is called, "false choice or faulty dilemma fallacy?" It's based on the claim that no middle ground exists. For example, "We either fight to win or don't get involved." But, there's also the bandwagon and or emotional appeal laden through the entire statement.

But, ya see there is a space here. I don't have to agree with you 100%. I agree that Doc Bart isn't my choice of "Ka-Nife Nut of da Year."

But, it also means that I definitely disagree with your methods of handling the situation that "you" aren't personally effected by!

I'll repeat this again. DOC BART IS A PIECE OF ........ for what he has done.

But, this DOES NOT give you nor any other Forum member the right to e-mail him, call him, harass him, etc....unless you "personally" have business with him

This is between Doc Bart and the ones that he's taken advantage of!

Not you nor any other forum members!

You started a thread and I made a post to it. My post was what I thought. You don't like what I posted. Ohhhh welllllll. I find this thread rather humorous!!
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GaryM.....I'll not debate with you on this issue in this public forum. Post your e-mail address and we can continue this off line.


AGAIN, What we need to do is unite and support the few who were taken advantage of in their fight to "legally" hammer our resident POS ("DocBart")!


It's not my .25 cents worth now...... We're all the way up to .50 cents.....






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At this point, the one-time stand is moot. But to Gig-1, I think you should do what your conscience tells you to (without breaking the law). It seems that you are more upset with someone taking a leadership role without your permission. You seem so concerned with someone "appointing" someone. You criticize GaryM for being emotional, but fairness, and doing the right thing has very little to do with being logical or cerebral. Fairness/doing the right thing is a emotional issue. It seems that you are more upset with being called a "fence-sitter" and want to respond without appearing emotional yourself. Hey, I could be wrong about all this, and I admit it freely, but you might want to reflect on this when you are clipping away on one of your bonsai? Thanks for reading.

[This message has been edited by paranoid9999 (edited 04-01-2000).]
 
Hi GigOne, That we do not agree on this issue is clear. You seem to want to make it personal by offering me your sympathy. I don't believe I am in need of any but appreciate your offer. You'r right I am not involved with the deals gone bad. Does that mean I should not care? If something bad happens in my neighborhood, am I to stick my head in the sand?
I became the rally person when I decided to do something. I don't have a photographic memory but I don't recall anything in the rules of our forum stating I couldn't do so. Nor has my thread been locked despite Spark giving his .02. If that is not good enough reason for you so be it. You are just as entitled to your opinnion as I am.
If you found my words to invoke emotion, I thank you for the compliment. I have never considered myself a very good orator. I have not however called a single name not even pos.

"But, the type of mentality in this thread is to say the least kinda frightening! What is being promoted and pimped here is called vigilantism my friends!"

You all but called me a pimp which I could ignore untill you accused me of name calling. I would appreciate an apology from you on that point.
I don't see how my "community" statement makes me a street corner lawyer etc. I have never claimed to be the spokesperson for the community. Nor have I attempted to speak for anyone other than myself much less an entire community. One this point I would appreciate another apology. I think my statment about Docbart violating trust is obviously true.
To be honest I never cared if Docbart kept his address to receive the messages or not. Again my purpose is support for those in the community I respect, who have some self respect, and believe a mans word should mean something. That means you to.
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I stand guilty as charged for attempting to rally the community. I believe it is a worthy cause. You seem to find me at least somewhat effective. Again I appreciate the compliment. I think highly of our laws and adhear to most of them. I have not suggested in the least little bit that anyone violate any existing laws. Unlike you I don't know of the other possible recourses.
I respect your right to disagree with my methods. I don't think it matters if I had a deal gone bad. I am still personaly affected as is all community members. If you were not affected we would not be having this exchange of thoughts.

"But, this DOES NOT give you nor any other Forum member the right to e-mail him, call him, harass him, etc....unless you personally have business with him"

How can you tell all the members what their rights are? Who made you the moderator of rights? I checked your moniker to.
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You say we should unite to hammer the pos legally yet you do not suggest how that be done. I am curious though considering this pos is not in reasonable proximity to most of us.
We do agree on one thing though. This discussion is best taken off the forum. I did not realise my e-mail was not posted but is now.
 
Well, this is pretty interesting.

The salient points thus far are -

1. DocBart is not to be trusted - Several people here have said that he hasn't lived up to his end of their bargain.

2. DocBart's posting priviledges have been removed - That's the most that we, BladeForums.com can do.

3. You guys still don't have your money - How do you get it back?
  • Email? Yeah, right, like all your previous emails had some effect. Sorry, but email's of "Stop Spamming Me!" hasn't taken people off emailing lists, so what makes you think someone is going to fork over cash from an email?
  • Contacting his work? Might be worth a try. If he's in some sort of field that has an ethics / review committee, they might be interested in his behavior - so might his employer.
  • Contacting the postmaster general Is what he did considered mail fraud?
  • Civil Action Ask a lawyer...

Best of luck....

Spark

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Spark......thank you.....

To my "community activists" GaryM and paranoid9999.......hehehe You 2 are definitely hilarious!
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Not only have you proven my point!
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I've won $150
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and a almost NIB Microtech
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over your posts to this thread!

Besides.....you don't clip bonzai's......
9999, that was a really lame attempt! But so predictable!! I only won $50 on that one.......
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If your bud would have responded about one of my "profile interests" I could have gotten an extra $50!

It's like hitting the lottery (even though it's small) with you 2......THANKS!
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Do yourselves (and my friends who are getting poorer by each of your posts) a favor.... Got something further to say...."Do The Right Thing"....Send it to me in an e-mail (sound familiar?)! hahaha Please, no "hate mail?"
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Cuz you 2 bad A$$E$ scare me! hehehe
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All those in favor say I! hahaha

And I've also got a bet on how many folks will say "I" to this "say I."


GigOne
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GigOne, last comment...I promise, and not insulting in the slightest. GaryM did respond to your profile, so I think if you aren't making up the bet thing, you are entitled to more of your friends money.
 
Wow GigOne, Way to show your A$$! Good luck to you and yours. My prayers are with you.

[This message has been edited by GaryM (edited 04-02-2000).]
 
Guys that can't play nice, shouldn't play with knives....

Don't any of you (yes, you) realize that thousands can read your posts?? (Go back and read them before you knock me!!! ...You sound like you aren't even old enough to even buy knives???)

How about this: Learn to disagree without being disagreeable.

I emailed Doc Bart a bunch of pictures of my
knives weeks ago, just to let him know what he was missing on BF. That was my choice. I don't think my actions were "good' or "bad": they just "were".

It's a shame that one person can effect level of trust that some of us have in fellow BF members: it's even worse to see the banter between members over who's got the best method in dealing with it.

Follow your heart! (And stop the name calling...)

Michael

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[This message has been edited by C4 (edited 04-03-2000).]
 
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