Does anybody carry a traditional bowie in the field?

Any Cal,

The "letter" from Davy Crockett was supposedly smuggled out of the Alamo before its fall...rather a doubtful situation! As to Rezin's statement, maybe you are correct. His "cashing in" on the popularity was in the portion of the statement that HE himself had made it, when other accounts state otherwise. One Jesse Clifft, a local blacksmith is sometime cited as possible the original maker. That the first knife was made as a hunting knife is verified however. Hunting wild cattle in the Louisiana brush and swamplands was something the Bowie brothers did for a long time. Having a hefty "bush knife" was a handy item to carry...much as it is today.

That knife, a plain affair, was made for use in the woods, not as a weapon. It's use in 1827 near Natchez-Under-the-Hill as a weapon was very much a last resort thing, when James Bowie had already been wounded several times and was under attack while on the ground. It's carriage by the younger Mr. Bowie had been precipitated by the misfire of his pocket pistol shortly before the whole "Sandbar" affair. Jim Bowie himself owned several different knives...and may not have even been carrying a "Bowie knife" at the Alamo, although there are Mexican accounts that he was. They were so popular by the time of Bowie's death at the Alamo, that they were commonplace in the South and Southwest. As with any instrument, the various and sundry makers forged and ground whatever they thought a "Bowie knife" should look like...whether they had ever seen one or not! Much like some folks do today.

Still, a well-made Bowie is a well-balanced item that is pretty handy in the field.

Ron
 
"The first Bowie Knife was made by myself in the parish of Avoyelles, in this state (Louisiana), as a hunting knife, for which purpose, exclusively, it was used for many years."
- Rezin P. Bowie, Planters Advocate, August 24, 1838

Let's put to rest the "argument" that the Bowie was first and foremost a "weapon." Yes, they were used for that purpose, even the original, which looked much like a heavy bladed butcher knife. But that was not the purpose for which they were originally designed.

And a well-made and well-designed one STILL makes a fine heavy duty field knife.

Ron


That most certainly does not put any *argument* to rest because it contains at least two follies:

One, focusing on the first Bowie knife, singular, does nothing to address “traditional Bowie knives”, plural, which is the meat and potatoes of this thread. We would do better to consider what is common to all the valid examples of traditional Bowies. And that feature that so obviously binds all of them is that they are principally weapons. There is no other factor that is so conspicuous as that, especially when one observes examples that look like short swords.

Second, even if I grant your conclusion regarding that single knife, that its original purpose was not as a weapon, that tells us nothing about all the others plural. Historically, many things have been designed for some purpose only to been found wanting, yet later they have been adopted for quite some different function, for which it excelled, and that's what everyone else came to use it for. Again, if we dump the useless Bowie [singular] genesis train of thought, and look at traditional Bowie knives plural, we can see that their widespread adoption was as a weapon, because it was at that function they excelled.

Anyway, I think we're going a little too much into Bowies now for WSS. If you open a thread on Bernard Levine's collecting forum making the case that traditional Bowie knives were not primarily sidearms, and you find good support, I will unreservedly recant without hesitation.
 
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My, we are getting testy here, are we not?:D (This is said as a joke, Baldtaco, my friend!:D) Please don't take this so seriously!:D My comments were on that first Bowie knife...whoever made it. According to accounts, it was not designed primarily as a self-defence...or offensive...weapon. It was, however, pressed into service for just that later on.

As I stated, yes, they were used as weapons...and many, designed by those who wanted them as weapons, were in form and function, just that. I believe that is already in agreement with what you are saying. But I do suggest that most Bowies that have been made, have been utilized as nothing more than "camp knives." Whether they excelled at this or not, is subject to one's personal opinion. As you stated earlier in one of your posts, it is amazing what some folks come up with as a "Bowie" when they are designing knives!:eek: I once had Mike Quade (Arrowhead Forge) out of Dakota make me a knife according to the description that Rezin Bowie gave of his "original" knife (9" straight-backed, simple wooden handle on mine). I found it to be an excellent camp knife and all-around great chopper! I wound up selling it to a friend, and have regretted it ever since!

Although I have a fondness for the big ol' knives, I would rather carry my old, hand-forged (from an old horseshoe rasp), sheephorn-handled chopper!:thumbup: It just simply works better than my Bowies do.

Ron
 
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Ron53, hola

Hey amigo, I had no intention of coming across as testy, although sometimes I can see why my being terse may come across as such. Rest assured dude there isn't and never has been any ill will or anything like that. We're good. Sometimes my deliveries are just a bit on the dry side. Testy is one of those things I don't like in the emotional threads where people make personal digs as each other. From what I have seen of your contributions here that isn't likely to be a feature of any exchange between you and I. :-)

best regards

'taco
 
'Taco, I can tell you this, pard, now that I'm getting a little older (55 now:eek:), I find myself carrying smaller and smaller knives afield! :thumbup: I don't ever carry a "chopper" anymore when I'm out on the trail, unless I have to! Even the Survival Knife I just had Bryan Breeden make for me only has a 6" x 3/16" drop point blade of O-1 steel. You've heard of the "K.I.S.S." principle when it comes to gear...well, I also like the "K.I.L.L." principle as well..."Keep It Little and Light"!:D

Ron
 
i find it interesting guys that Bowie used a folding knife the first time he got into with Wright. it folded on his hand which caused him to start carrying a fixed blade in the first place. this means he was looking for a more reliable weapon imo.
 
I just picked up a couple of the CS Trailmasters...I plan on rehandling them..maybe leather or mycarta..should be cool. Gene
 
Ron, thanks for taking my post the way I meant it.

gunknifenut, hope it works out for you. Maybe send one to Tom Krein:)
 
I just picked up a couple of the CS Trailmasters...I plan on rehandling them..maybe leather or mycarta..should be cool. Gene

Aha, in SK-5? What markings do they have on them? Specifically, I'm concerned about a Taiwan stamp that I would need to grind out.
 
Have to throw this is: just before leaving for Iraq this time, I picked up a Carbon V stag-handled Trailmaster at the local gunshop (it had been laying around in the case ther for the past couple of years!) for a whopping sum of $200! I felt fortunate to pick it up for that. It has a great-looking piece of stag as a handle, and, of course, is sharp as a razor out of the box. I'm thinking of thinning down the edge, especially towards the tip, after I get home the middle of July.

Ron
 
I'm really considering the Recon Scout and if it comes good I expect to thin that out a lot. As I want to do it as a present, just for the hell of it, I think I could play around a great deal. Stripping and doing the blade bit should be plain sailing, but I've wanted an excuse to have a play at making Micarta. Fabric; canvas, denim, some sort of cammo cloth would probably be the most practical but I think a little basic for something that isn't going to get really spanked. At the moment I'm wondering what kinds of patterns on paper would look good. I think it's gonna be a tricky path to get something that doesn't look like cheapo Chinese sh1te, as many do, when you sand through to the various layers. I don't think I'll really know 'till I get round to making some test blocks.
 
I was waiting for the internet version of the sandbar.

I used to hate the bowie as a brute, I have subsequently got to love them for what they are. Their profile is not photogenic and many modern bowies have some very smooth lines. I have two home made (custom is too precise term) that started out as something else and what with making good a few errors they are bowies, one very good lines. (Special pins of titanium as the WE@#12 bit kept shearing)
 
Aha, in SK-5? What markings do they have on them? Specifically, I'm concerned about a Taiwan stamp that I would need to grind out.

No, both in CarbonV...I am thinking that I want one in SK-5...just to test the durability. I am moning most of my collection towards traditional feel and look..I just enjoy carrying them more.
Why TOM KRIEN..does he rehandle them often? Gene
 
No, both in CarbonV...I am thinking that I want one in SK-5...just to test the durability. I am moning most of my collection towards traditional feel and look..I just enjoy carrying them more.
Why TOM KRIEN..does he rehandle them often? Gene

Drat, cheers anyway.

My guess is the SK-5 is going to be even tougher. It's not a factor I've got in mind though 'cos whatever way round it's gonna be plenty tough and beyond point X. I tend to stainless and amphibious[ish] handles, but for the intended recipient of this it must be pretty first, and then work well. I'd happily do it in wood, the durability of the Micarta is really coincidental to me trying to come up with something truly unique.

Don't know about Tom Krien handles, all I've seen is his deserved rep with grinds. Still, that would betray me. The RS is around a measly £70, and shipping to the US and back, and the work, would be much more than the knife is worth to me. I'm really just wanting a half decent blank to pimp out and they are far better than anything I've seen made here for around the same cost. Add to that, I think any little quirks my handiwork will scar it with will actually make it more valuable to the owner. Still, I did gaze again at a Fallkniven PHK today and wondered about new professionally done handles. Not seen any yet but it really cries out for something fancy.
 
Lots of knives are based on Bowies. Below, top down, is a Puma 'Original Bowie', a Buck 119 Special (Wally World - $34), and a Buck 120 General (Cabela's 'Pro-Line' - $58).

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Here are some more Bowies, top down, Bear MGC Damascus/cocobolo Bowie (Made in AL!), USMC KaBar 'fighting knife', and the Puma 'Original Bowie', for size comparison. The Puma is German, the remainder are US-made.

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The 'Bowie', at least in style, is a common thread. I took my late Dad's old WWII KaBar, just like that one pictured above, on many camping trips. It was/is still a great 'user' - as is the Buck 119 - which is less expensive and easy to find.

Stainz
 
Earlier in this thread I posted a pic of my MMHW bowie (my truck door knife) cutting a turkey. As I mentioned that is my truck bowie. It is a bit on the large side for carry daily. It is a great blade for clearing things that might scratch up my paint worse than I would like in the woods.
As far as the martial aspect of the bowie. I am sure that was one of the major intended uses of the early bowie, but I find it hard to believe that it was considered the only intended use. In those older times I doubt that a man carried many objects that served one sole purpose when weight and space were very important to a man on horseback in the wild.
I do believe in the weapon aspect of the bowie. I have an older Ontario Helles Bell that makes a fine fighter, but not much else. I prefer a blade that could be pressed into service for SD backup or if needed more mundane chores. The size and weight of a chosen blade for these uses depend on where I intend to be and how I would be dressed. Woods carry makes it more a choice of how much weight I want to lug around and how well I can handle the chosen tool/blade.
I have a couple of Hankins Bowies that I like to carry. The large for instances where my dress would permit. The smaller for times where I might be in a more lightly dressed occasion.
I do believe that much of what you carry is highly personal and some may handle a massive blade like I handle a lighter one. Would either person actually be wrong in their choice.
A shot of my loved Hankins. The large one is very fast in the hand and the small is a joy in all aspects.
 
I am headed to Alaska in 4 weeks was going to carry a Bagwell stag and carbon bowie with me but the other day I misplaced it for a few days. I have had it for awhile and it has accompanied on many trips but after seeing how upset I got when I could not find it and with air travel and all I ordered a MMHW from John at mineral mountain he was great and I mixed and matched different blade and handles to make I hope what will be a great knife for me. I would rather make a runway clearing out than pack meat so I always carry a good size bowie for camp and brush and defense a small capeing knife and a leatherman and ya may not need a bowie but if ya gotta really get by a good big knife is a comfort. any of you guys got MMHW bowies please show pics
 
If you want to misplace that Bagwell again, you can leave it here.
It will have plenty of company :D

Take lots of pix in Alaska!
 
Not traditional, but soon I'll have this sweet 2-foot long, 4 pound monster HI Chitlangi Bowie, and I'll carry it at least once:
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