Does anyone.....thats honest and trustworthy....

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I am amazed at the number of people who come here asking for help and advice and then tell someone something like, "get over yourself and piss off". Edited after reading Robert's post. Normally I would consider helping but don't care to get involved in this.
 
darrin sanders said:
I am amazed at the number of people who come here asking for help and advice and then tell someone something like, "get over yourself and piss off".
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I wasn't going to post here.. but I see a lot of people doing their best to give honest and helpful opinions, and being snapped on.. James and Darrin you've been extremely helpful to myself and others, and I thank you for that.
 
claymoore said:
I see how fast some of these guys (people here i'm sure) grind on there nice grinders an just thought i would ask.

clay
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remember the bigger and faster the grinder the faster you make a bar of steel turn to scap/reject

do what you can with the tools you hav eand build as you learn. steps are slow and steady but leaps can make great strides or on the other hand find you off the edge o f a cliff
 
So how did we get James and Darin? I'm confused. If you read all the posts i wrte back to Dave and thanked him. Then i get a angry response from what's his face AND NOW somehow i don't respect James and Darrin. This is why i don't believe in the death penalty anymore (unless it's witnessed). Read from the beginning and don't spin-it. Simple question that Butcher, Dave and Daniel answered respectfully. Then comes the angry and there angry friends , sticking up for each other ,ready to burn me at the stake. "Would i talk to my pastor like that" what the heck are you talking about. Some people are snobs look in the mirror.
Clay
 
Thanks once again Butch, i went to the grit website an am going to get some ceramic belts. That will really help till i can get a nicer belt sander. Great advice thanks.
Clay
 
RobCamlin said:
Absurd responses, childish attitude, AND a wildly off-topic and controversial reference?

I smell a troll. This kind of crap is not tolerated here, nor should it be ignored. This is a friendly place that can most certainly do without the likes of you.
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LOL. I rest my case.
 
Wow, it's like Bush Monkey all over again.....

Always nice to see someone chasing away those who would be happy to offer help:rolleyes:
 
claymoore said:
"Would i talk to my pastor like that" what the heck are you talking about. Some people are snobs look in the mirror.
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I already made my point and wanted to leave it at that, but this keeps bugging me. What the heck is he talking about??....

What he's talking about is that you profess to be a Christian. Christians generally hold themselves to a pretty high standard when dealing with their fellow man. You've been extremely snippy and combative with folks here who were just trying to give you some good advice, and yes you absolutely had a little "flip out" whether you want to admit it or not. You're telling folks to get a grip, but you really could do well by stepping back and re-evaluating how you're responding to folks here. WWJD....just sayin'.;)
 
yup, you got it all figured out JONNYMAC44. i guess this gives you tough guy's something to get all pumped up about. Do us a favor and stop acting like you-all know everything and we noobie's sitting in front of the classroom know nothing ,wideeyd with everything you ask. it's really not a big deal. But if you want to talk to the to the modator and tell on me , OK.
 
There's nothing moderator worthy going on here.....just some grown up discussion. That can still happen on the internet, right?

Nobody's all pumped about this, and I'm a long ways off from knowing even close to everything about knife making. I would still classify myself as very inexperienced in the realm of knife making to be honest.

The fact here is that you asked for input on this forum concerning something that most people who have spent some time grinding knives know is fairly unrealistic. Like folks pointed out to you, most guys good enough to do the job for you are too busy grinding their own blades and would want ample compensation to grind bevels on a dozen of your designed profiles. Bottom line is that you won't get too many takers for work like that unless you're not too concerned about the quality. I don't see why you don't just take the advice and move on in whatever direction you think is best. You've gotta thicken up your skin just a bit here.
 
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Wow.

James was spot on.

Thoughtful, respectful and very well said.

You can disagree with everything he stated, but that doesn't make his statements any less true.

I can't find one flaw in his first post, or even anything that could be considered disrespectful and worthy of the great disrespect you showed him.

Shame on you.
 
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OK, folks.....nothing more to see here...time to move on.

claymoore - Drop the attitude. You came here asking a question.You got advice where to ask it and why most makers would not be likely to respond. You come back with belligerent responses to those guys.

I mentioned Jesus, because you listed it in your profile as part of your bio. I am trained in ministry, and have filled the pulpit many times. I regularly teach that your actions and speech reflect on your person. If a person claims that Jesus is one of his main personal attitudes, and then gets in peoples faces easily, he needs to take a look in the mirror and ask what is really bothering him.

Guys - Lets let the Mods handle this from here on. If claymoore makes posts that cause you to be concerned, hit the "Report Post" triangle. That will get action faster than feeding the fire. In biblical terms - "Kick the dust off your sandals and move on."
 
james terrio said:
Firstly, this question is better-suited to the Services Wanted sub-forum. ShopTalk isn't meant for soliciting or offering quotes.

But it is a topic that deserves discussion and clarification, especially since it's come up three times in as many weeks. So here's my take on it, having quoted and done jobs like you describe.

Yes, there are honorable people that do custom grinding on other people's custom blanks. The problem lies in keeping costs under control.

Your costs to buy the steel, grind to profile, and HT are basically irrelevant - that's going to be the same regardless of who does the grinding. The cost to have someone else grind the bevels and/or finish the blades is negotiable, and it ain't gonna be cheap. If you can't afford to do it yourself, what makes you think you can afford to pay someone else to do it for you?

Any independent knifemaker with that level of skill and capabilities has serious overhead to consider (equipment, belts, electricity bills, etc.) and is going to expect to be paid for their labor.

Get a couple quotes from makers on the forums, and if those seem pricy, call the nearest machine shop and ask them to quote the same job. Your typical friendly knifemaker will seem like an absolute bargain in comparison.

Not to mention the fact that anyone who can do this sort of work, probably already is doing it for themselves. Folks who are good at grinding their own blades aren't usually begging to grind anyone else's... they tend to be pretty busy.

Now, then... figure in shipping and handling to/from the person doing the grinding. More costs.

It just doesn't add up, especially for a run of 10 blades. You'd be far better off sticking with work you can do yourself.
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Thanks James, this was really insightful.

I was thinking about something like this for maximizing efficiency. Is there such a service that can pump out many ground blades, similar to the way there's laser and water cutting, etc? Not that it's in the near future for me, but it's been having me very curious.
 
Don Nguyen said:
I was thinking about something like this for maximizing efficiency.
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I think if you want to make several blades of the same design as efficiently as possible, the best way would be to buy precision-ground stock to start with, have the profiles/holes cut by waterjet, keep the blade design itself very simple, and build a jig to help you knock out the bevel grinds quickly and accurately. Or buy a CNC mill and learn to use it. Jason Brous comes to mind in that regard.

I don't think any kind of automated "service" is going to be cost-effective until you reach a minimum number of blades somewhere in the hundreds.
 
I'm also of the opinion that the attitude will be a turn-off for makers who would otherwise be willing to help out.

That being said, I've made a lot of blades on my 1x30 before I got better grinders. If you're having trouble, might I ask what kinds of belts you are using? A good 60 grit ceramic belt on a 1x42 should take metal off plenty fast. Use that to get yourself somewhat close, then clean up your grinds with a higher grit belt and a gentler touch. You will save money (which you can put towards a better grinder) and get better at knifemaking if you do the work yourself, and get more enjoyment out of the final product.
 
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