Does this sharpener seem any good? (Picture heavy)

[Allen R.]

buy the real deal , why support cheap chinese knock offs? ben dale made the edge pro now people are copying his design, I got my REAL EDGE PRO last week and it is worth every penny of the $245.00 I spent on it , I just read the manual and went to sharpening, and I'm getting great results , Im sure when i watch the dvd I'll be even better at it, buy american , don't support Cheap chinese rip offs.

 

[Allen R.]

They are all over fleabay, I wish everyone of them would get reported as blatant rip offs of a great design , I would do it myself but I haft to go to work.

 

[michaelsmith]

The stones are attached to plastic bars. if you tighten down too much when you put the stones in the holder, the plastic will bend, breaking the stone. just snug them in, and it works fine. as with the EP, i'm told, mask the blade surface with tape prior to sharpening, or you'll get scratches on your blade. as for the ethical thing, excess profit margin always invites conterfeiting. if the EP sold for $65-$75, this product probably wouldn't be out there.

 

[Dunny153]

One thing I have learned after buying a lot of chinese knockoffs is that they will never equal the quality of whatever it is they are copying. Is that to say that the Chinese can't make quality items? No, most of the branded items we own are made in China including the computer or phone you're using to view this forum. However there is a reason why this thing is only about 40 bucks and a real edge pro is over 200. Do yourself a favor and save up for the real deal.

 

[Komitadjie]

...as for the ethical thing, excess profit margin always invites conterfeiting. if the EP sold for $65-$75, this product probably wouldn't be out there.

Hell of a lot easier to throw down a low price when you're not overly concerned with quality, customer-satisfaction, or excessively burdened with ethics.

 

[_texan_]

as for the ethical thing, excess profit margin always invites conterfeiting. if the EP sold for $65-$75, this product probably wouldn't be out there.

It costs money to engineer, market and manufacture a quality product. The Edge Pro is very likely not price gouging, some people just ignore the costs of doing business as a real entity and not a Chinese knockoff ring. If the EP sold for $65-75 bucks, the company wouldn't be in business in the first place.

 

[BluntCut MetalWorks]

Regarding the existence of a patent for the Edge Pro (in it's original form, apparently):

'Professional Cutlery Sharpening Machine', patent #5,185,958; issued Feb 16, 1993 to 'Benton Dale':

http://www.google.com/patents?id=tcknAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

( I have no horse in this race, nor dog in this fight, nor any such sharpener in my toolbox. Therefore no personal opinion on the matter. But, the question of the patent made me curious enough to go looking... )


David

:thumbup: Thanks David.

After 17 yrs of patent protection, this patent expired in 2010. I don't condone thievery acts from anyone/companies but look like cloning is a fair game.

 

[stitchawl]

The very fact that members such as yourself with over a thousand posts allow discussion over copied infringed items in this forum sickens me.

So you're in favor of censorship if you don't like the subject matter. You're not very American, are you... Did you forget we have a Constitution? The very first amendment to that Constitution is what you are objecting to.

And youre gonna turn it on guys like me who want to take a stand against piracy?

Not at all. I'm suggesting that if you want to take a stand against something that you start your own thread about it and discuss it to your heart's content. Don't hijack somebody else's thread for your personal agenda.

Stitchawl, Sir, you don't seem able to grasp some simple concepts, and seem hell bent on defending the actions of criminals.

If you can show me a single phrase where I 'defended' any criminal action, I'll be more than happy to offer you my apologies. In fact, in several of my posts I clearly stated that I agreed that these actions were wrong. Posts 24, 27, and 33 clearly show this. Please don't throw stones until you've actually read what I've written.

What I have done was said that this thread is NOT the place for discussing criminal activities. This thread was started by the OP to ask a question about the effectiveness of a product, not the action of people.

Bluntcut, do you really need a patent number in order to decide if this is patent infringement?

This thread's OP did not ask anything about patent infringement. It asked if it was any good.

The only question asked is, "Does this sharpener seem any good?". Not "Does it work?". Not "Does it look just like my Apex?". Not Anything else.

I'm surprised you aren't taking this to mean 'does it go to Church on Sunday.'
Sorry, but when someone asks if a product is good or bad, they usually aren't asking about the morality of the vendor. They are asking if it does what it is supposed to do.

We have a few people here who seem to forget that taking an extra 5 minutes at lunchtime isn't stealing from the boss, or fudging their taxes is OK because 'everybody does it.' Rolling through stop signs, not returning an over-change... If you can't HONESTLY say that you have never broken any laws, then please, please... get off your high horse!

I own one of these i purchased on ebay for around $28, shipped. The stones and attached "holders" are much cheaper than the edge pro, but the suytem works very well for me. there are even extra stones available on ebay as well. overall, the quality is ok, especially for the price. i actually purhased this before seeing the real edge pro. i didn't know it waqs a copy, but it obviously is. if the copy thing bothers you, then spend 10x as much and get the "real" thing. otherwise, this is the best sharpening system for the money i have found.

Finally!!! Someone who can actually tell us about this particular product, rather than if the vendor beats his wife! Thank you.

 

[FCM415]

So you're in favor of censorship if you don't like the subject matter. You're not very American, are you... Did you forget we have a Constitution? The very first amendment to that Constitution is what you are objecting to.

What are you talking about? Now I'm anti freedom of speech? GTFOH, Please quote on me on when I censured anybody. My belief that we shouldn't encourage the sale of a downright copied AMERICAN product has nothing to do with the first amendment. My statements on this thread are intact. Anybody who feels censured should speak up. And anybody who feels as a community we should stand up for innovation regardless of criticism should speak their mind like I did. I can also say that you wish to censure my position as well as it has nothing to do with the OP's question. OP knows it is a fake, I dont care if it doesnt answer his question, got it? It's freedom of speech I can also say what I want without you crying over the fact that it doesnt answer OP's question. Now you are over here thanking people for inadverdently buying the product just to prove your point. Yes, this is a public forum... But we should exercise good taste. I'm appalled that no one else feels the same way. I'm crying foul and I'm sticking to it, freedom of self expression. MF

 

[stitchawl]

What are you talking about? Now I'm anti freedom of speech? GTFOH, Please quote on me on when I censured anybody.

Happy to oblige...

The very fact that members such as yourself with over a thousand posts allow discussion over copied infringed items in this forum sickens me.

You wrote that in post #34. Do you see the words 'allow discussion' there? Not 'allowing' discussion of specified subjects is called 'censorship.' That is a violation of the First Amendment to the American Constitution, specifically the section that deals with Free Speech.

I can also say that you wish to censure my position as well as it has nothing to do with the OP's question.

On the contrary, I suggested that if you wanted to discuss that aspect of the situation, you start your own thread. I never said you shouldn't talk about it. I'll even say it again...

If you'd like to discuss censorship, or theft of Intellectual Property, or anything else not related to the OP's original question of how good this sharpener is, why not start your own thread. I'm sure lots of folks will be happy to get involved.


Stitchawl

 

[FCM415]

Imagine if I censured my own positions and other similar ones on the subject. Had we not brought up the moral implications this brings to the knife community and let you and others just tell the OP, "yeah, the fake is a servicable product go for it but I wouldnt." What does that do? And it shouldnt be limited to knife sharpeners, lets talk pirated knife designs...Yeah, the fake Sebenza with s35vn slices cardboard well, go ahead buy it. Freedom of speech gives me the right, just as yours gives you the right to stand up for the sale ad discussion of the fake even though you yourself wouldnt buy it. I have the American right to tell you that your position on a pirated American product disgusts me also.

 

[FCM415]

Happy to oblige...



You wrote that in post #34. Do you see the words 'allow discussion' there? Not 'allowing' discussion of specified subjects is called 'censorship.' That is a violation of the First Amendment to the American Constitution, specifically the section that deals with Free Speech.

If you'd like to discuss censorship, or theft of Intellectual Property, or anything else not related to the OP's original question of how good this sharpener is, why not start your own thread. I'm sure lots of folks will be happy to get involved.


Stitchawl

Its the very essence of YOU allowing discussion to develop on the product in question that sickens me. Not the specified subject itself. There is a difference big boy. Also sickening to see you write about the American Constitution.

 

[stitchawl]

Imagine if I censured my own positions

That might not be such a bad idea.

"yeah, the fake is a servicable product go for it

Did you see ANYONE say 'go for it?' I certainly didn't see that posted anywhere.

And it shouldnt be limited to knife sharpeners, lets talk pirated knife designs...

Please do. Just start your own thread. I think it would be interesting. Just don't hijack other people's threads.

Freedom of speech gives me the right,

It gives you the right to start your own thread. Not to steal someone else's.

I have the American right to tell you that your position on a pirated American product disgusts me also.

Do it in your own thread. You can even start a thread that says 'Stitchawl's positing disgusts me' if that will make you happier. Just stop stealing other people's threads for your own agenda.

Its the very essence of YOU allowing discussion to develop on the product in question that sickens me. Not the specified subject itself. There is a difference big boy. Also sickening to see you write about the American Constitution.

Big boy? Wow!

Well, I'll tell you... I spent 12 months in Hell, slogging through rice paddies, serving America. I wasn't drafted. I enlisted. I gave 110% to stand up for the American Constitution when my country asked me to, under conditions that most people only imagine. I put in my time defending the Constitution, so please, until you have done the same... don't wave the flag at me. I carried it for you.


Stitchawl

 

[Popsickle]

stitchawl,

your and idiot, your blatant disrespect towards people in this thread as well as original ideas is disgusting. Yes this is a public forum, and some like yourself choose to let the sewage thats swimming around in your head out in the form of typed words here. Do you best to not discount others opinions either, i know that will be so hard for you.

 

[FCM415]

Big boy? Wow!

Well, I'll tell you... I spent 12 months in Hell, slogging through rice paddies, serving America. I wasn't drafted. I enlisted. I gave 110% to stand up for the American Constitution when my country asked me to, under conditions that most people only imagine. I put in my time defending the Constitution, so please, until you have done the same... don't wave the flag at me. I carried it for you.


Stitchawl

Well thanks for serving, and hope you knew who you were shooting. You of all people should realize when others are standing up for Ben Dale, an American as well. And to know what it truly means to protect American rights.

 

[Morrow]

A couple things....this is private forum. Those of you going on and on about free speech etc. need to get a clue. You have no "free speech" on a private forum.

The name calling and insults are not acceptable nor is the deliberate derailment of this thread. Those of you fighting the good fight need to understand you're doing as much to detail the topic as those you're railing against. Use the report button. This one is closed.