Don't they make a nice pair !!!

You know you're asking for another "Let's make baldtaco-II puke" thread, don't you? :D

Let me rephrase, "You're proving to me what I've long suspected that the Tracker isn't nearly as bad as a lot of people believe."

How is he doing this, no doubt you're going to ask. Well to listen to a lot of people, the Tracker is as useful as a sharpened spoon. Pitdog, not one to speak anything but his mind, has found it to be a useful tool. Maybe not the best, but useful, none the less. Therefore, having respect for his opinion, he has proven to me, that the Tracker isn't nearly as bad as a lot of people believe.

Next question.

Doc

It would be futile to attempt a question. It is enough to note that wet bog roll is not as bad a tinder as many people believe.

The puke thread was a good catalyst, I have no objections. ;-)
 
As I said, I'm not in the habit of attacking presents people give, and I feel I'm already on such precarious ground with this post that it should be my last. In mitigation though, that tool aint unique and I wouldn't want someone to draw conclusions about the others on the basis of alleged proofs that I just don't see exist.

No I don't think rationalizing your own personal dislike for a blade design is putting anybody on precarious ground, that's what we do (debate) and you haven't done it in a demeaning or derogatory way. I don't have a Tracker design, but I can at least respect it for the merits it was designed for...I also recognize it is a compromise design; it's designed to put a lot of uses in a single blade which most of us here know that that is a hard task to do and nobody will be satisfied with a particular function or another. I don't care for the sawback; even if I had that knife I would most likely still carry my Silky saw or SAK.

The Tracker design is a unique cutting/chopping tool that deserves some respect for the design, but not necessarily agreement as to its efficiency. It is definitely not for everyone, but I do know it is robust, can cut, chop, do minor sawing, be used as a plane, etc. Most of us have a knife (or machete/hatchet) or two that will do those functions much more efficiently by themselves, but when you try to build a tool with more functions, it rarely ever exceeds the efficiency of the tool that is specifically designed for that particular function. It is what it is, and I can respect the design for it but it doesn’t mean I have to agree with it. Hell, I've ran a cross enough Brits in a few different countries (military) and I can understand the love for "tea time" (which is anytime you get a break:D), but I don't care for tea and creamer...I bring my own coffee singles and we partake in camaraderie and great conversations, we just use different "tools" to the same effect:thumbup:

Oops, great pictures as usual Pit...thanks again for reminding me of home!

ROCK6
 
I'm not one to play the "my knife is bigger than yours" game, but I can't resist this one. ;)


All I will say is you show me a knife of the same length that will out chop it. You show me a knife of that same thickness that will make better fuzz-sticks. You show me a knife that can make better notches for trap making etc !!!!
Sure an axe will chop better, a chain saw will cope better than an axe !
Sure a Mora will out slice it ( though not by much ) but as a one tool do-it-all knife it takes some beating and I can't thank Horn-dog enough for letting me find this out !!!!;):thumbup:


My reprofiled Fällkniven A1 is slightly smaller in overall length, and practically as thick at 0.24" (in fact, remove the coating from the Tracker and it's probably thinner than my A1), weighs about a pound less, and it's about half the price. I don't have the Horn Dog -ground Tracker you're using here to compare, but I would bet my A1 will outchop it and make better fuzz sticks. For trap making, I don't see how I would make any worse notches with the A1 than with the Tracker. And for batoning, the A1 is only about a dozen times better than the Tracker. There's no getting around it that the Tracker is a tremendously inefficient design. Even reground, it's hellaciously heavy for such a blade. But that doesn't matter all that much - if you like it, good for you. I love your pictures, and it's not like every knife has to be the epitome of efficiency and practicality. It's important to have fun :thumbup:
 
I am going to weigh in on this for two reasons:
1. I trashed the Tracker in a review I wrote last year.
2. I modified Pit's to try and make the knife more useful.
I have not tried a Fallkiven A1, but my Scrap Yard S6 would out chop the Tracker when the knife was unmodified. I doubt that it will now. As for fuzz sticks and such, the draw knife section of the Tracker is now extremely thin and sharp. It will slice wood shavings like a Mora. The saw top, while a poor saw, does make nice square notches in wood. One more thing, the Tracker is heavy, but it is probably darned near unbreakable. You can beat on this knife all day, pry chunks of wood with the tip, and pound things with the flat of the blade. It is a do-it-all survival tool. One could use it to dig like a shovel.

Personally, I'd prefer to carry a camp machete or bowie and a SAK OHT. But that would be two tools. I am very glad to see pitdog putting the Tracker through its paces and getting the use out of it that the designer intended. It isn't my cup of tea, but pitdog has shown that it is quite useful in the woods.
 
I should never reply on here when I'm full to the brim with beer, but anyway !

Baldtaco am I right in remembering that you are from the UK so folders are all ya can carry anyway ? Sorry bro only messin with ya !!!!:D

I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy a Tracker in fact I like the fact that I am one of the only ones on here that can post pics of one so let's keep it that way !!!
All I will say is you show me a knife of the same length that will out chop it. You show me a knife of that same thickness that will make better fuzz-sticks. You show me a knife that can make better notches for trap making etc !!!!
Sure an axe will chop better, a chain saw will cope better than an axe !
Sure a Mora will out slice it ( though not by much ) but as a one tool do-it-all knife it takes some beating and I can't thank Horn-dog enough for letting me find this out !!!!;):thumbup:

That's cool, I often post when I'm well stone. I look back later at my language usage and cringe. Your's is fine so you're ahead of me.

I know you're playing but for clarity in the observer. Yes, I live in England. The folder rule applies to EDC type stuff only. When I'm engaged the outdoor stuff I can legally openly carry what I like, and I do.

I have never supposed that you were trying to convince anyone to buy one, what I'm concerned with illuminating is the difference between personal preference and what is. As I've said before, more than once now, in my opinion people should carry what they like or are comfortable or competent at using. However, when doing that there is also the risk of making absolute claims that are false, or at least can give the reader the completely wrong impression. For simple example take two hitting tools: It may well be my preference to lug a ball pein hammer over a sledge. It may also be true that I can do a lot of work with it. Yet if the reader came away with the impression that the ball pein was every bit as good at tasks the sledge is good at something has gone wrong.

What I was contesting was DOC-CANADA's apparent claims that something had been discovered about the properties of that knife that refute the current wisdom. He's slackened off on that now but that looked every bit to me like where he was going – as if an is had been revealed. My contention was that makes no more sense to me than comparing a ball pein hammer to a sledge for suitability as an ashtray when all I have seen it do so far is make some fuzz sticks. If you really wanted to reveal something useful a better route would be to compare it to a tool of similar weight and see how well at does at the tasks that other tool does well. That's why I stacked it against that ax, which may actually be a shade lighter. Now if it could do nearly as well as what that ax can do but the difference one would happily forfeit for some brilliance at something else then great. I could be wrong, but the state of play as I see it at the moment is – it is well short of what the ax can do as a chopping instrument, although it about weighs the same, but that difference has been seen to be compensated for by the ability to make fuzz sticks. I know one shouldn't assume, but I think it is a fairly safe bet that a lot of people here that use knives would have known that anyway just from the look of it. Quite how one could assert something akin to a revelation about that knife, that would improve the status of it in the minds of a lot of people, on the basis of the tasks performed .etc was just too peculiar to evade comment.

As for the rest of what you wrote, “You show me a knife of that same thickness that will make better fuzz-sticks. You show me a knife that can make better notches for trap making etc”, that's kinda my point. Even a SAK can do that let alone a small fixed blade, why would one drag all the extra bulk and weight unless it had excellence at something else. It is that something else that has the potential for a revelation for me, and perhaps a lot of others. I have yet to see evidence of that.

Yup, Horn Dog seems a good guy and that was mighty generous of him. As a collector himself I hope he understands that what I seek is evidence that comes closest to whatever the right answers may be, and that personal preferences are quite apart from absolute claims. Whilst we will never fully unpack that, without making at least some effort towards it as a basis no review of anything is reliable.
 
No I don't think rationalizing your own personal dislike for a blade design is putting anybody on precarious ground, that's what we do (debate) and you haven't done it in a demeaning or derogatory way. I don't have a Tracker design, but I can at least respect it for the merits it was designed for...I also recognize it is a compromise design; it's designed to put a lot of uses in a single blade which most of us here know that that is a hard task to do and nobody will be satisfied with a particular function or another. I don't care for the sawback; even if I had that knife I would most likely still carry my Silky saw or SAK.

The Tracker design is a unique cutting/chopping tool that deserves some respect for the design, but not necessarily agreement as to its efficiency. It is definitely not for everyone, but I do know it is robust, can cut, chop, do minor sawing, be used as a plane, etc. Most of us have a knife (or machete/hatchet) or two that will do those functions much more efficiently by themselves, but when you try to build a tool with more functions, it rarely ever exceeds the efficiency of the tool that is specifically designed for that particular function. It is what it is, and I can respect the design for it but it doesn’t mean I have to agree with it. Hell, I've ran a cross enough Brits in a few different countries (military) and I can understand the love for "tea time" (which is anytime you get a break:D), but I don't care for tea and creamer...I bring my own coffee singles and we partake in camaraderie and great conversations, we just use different "tools" to the same effect:thumbup:

Oops, great pictures as usual Pit...thanks again for reminding me of home!

ROCK6

Fair comments amigo.

By the way, tea is a weird convalescence preparation taken up north. I am allergic to it ;-)
 
The knife is what it is: an attempt by a famous wilderness expert to design the ultimate all-purpose survival knife. How many of those have we seen over the years? Maybe, the methods used by Tom Brown work well with his design. I don't think there is as much wrong with the design as there is with the final execution of the design by TOPS. They just didn't do a good job of grinding the edges. Personally, for a knife that heavy, I'd prefer a better chopper, like the Swamp Rat Chopweiler. I can always use my SAK for the little stuff.
 
The knife is what it is: an attempt by a famous wilderness expert to design the ultimate all-purpose survival knife. How many of those have we seen over the years? Maybe, the methods used by Tom Brown work well with his design. I don't think there is as much wrong with the design as there is with the final execution of the design by TOPS. They just didn't do a good job of grinding the edges. Personally, for a knife that heavy, I'd prefer a better chopper, like the Swamp Rat Chopweiler. I can always use my SAK for the little stuff.

I'm going to stop short of comment on Tom Brown again but that makes more sense to me. The difference in trade off against the ax would be compensated for better by a more conventional design than by something so esoteric.
 
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It is enough to note that wet bog roll is not as bad a tinder as many people believe.

Where's your proof? IMHO, wet bog roll (toilet paper for the people who don't have a computer translater :rolleyes:) is as bad as many people believe. :D

Doc
 
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