Dual Survival worse than Man vs. Wild

[kgd]

I don't have "expert" credentials" but I do have about 28 years of outdoors and wilderness survival experience. As well as 15+ years as a trainer for outdoors and wilderness survival. So, I do know something about it.

From a rhetorical perspective Jay, you have now opened yourself to further inquiry about what you state above. If I were you, I would have left things as you think Cody is a jackass. Now folks are going to be asking you for details about your training and placing that into context of the show stars you are running down. Its a tricky thing trying to hype your own expertise like that on the internet. Personally, I wouldn't have went that route.

 

[Joe Real]

Two of the best hunters/fishermen/survivalist that I have known walked mostly barefoot in the Venezuelan savannas and jungles. In fact may people in the so called third world countries go barefoot every day, granted it is not by choice but they prove it can be done. Obviously the weather in my home country is nothing to be compared to having snow up to your knees.
I try not to pass judgment on people, just exercise my divine right to change the TV channel or pick up a good book.

 

[PeteG1027]

I actually like both of them.. The more survival show's the better.. Beats watching American Idol or some other Sh** like Jersey WTFEver!!!

 

[barrabas74]

I used to go barefoot as a kid all the time, my mom grew up dirt poor and only had one pair of shoes to last her the year (she had 6 siblings). They werent allowed to wear there shoes outside during the warm months and they ran around the hills of KY which are rocky, snake filled and lots of briars without shoes. She still doesnt wear shoes unless she has too. I grew up kinda the same way and my mother encouraged us to not wear them when it was warm (we werent that poor but like her we usually only had one pair till I was older) so we didnt and I have tough feet as a result and go barefoot outside alot. IF people are hung up about the no shoes thing I wouldnt swet it in warmer climates. In the cold though I think its a bit much and not necessary but in one episode you clearly see him wearing two pairs of socks when it was winter.

Like others have said many people still go barefoot around the world....so I dont see the big deal of it. I like the show overall as it is entertaining and through that I have learned a few things. Like the shelter Cody built to reflect heat like a green house. Just take it for what its worth and watch it or dont.

 

[KuRUpTD]

It seems people these days would rather pick apart a show than glean any useful / free information from them.

I'm sure if these "survival shows" were taken off the air for good most would be clamoring to bring them back.

 

[jaymeister99]

Sorry, hardly hyping my "expertise". Like I said I'm not an expert. But somebody who apparently knows better than to go into the deep woods barefoot and cauterize a wound with gunpowder.

Just stating that I do think anyone who goes into the woods for an extended time barefoot and cauterizes a small wound with gunpowder is a jackass. Most people with any outdoor skills would agree.

Here's my limited credentials:
I'm an Eagle Scout, over 28 years outdoor experience. About 25yrs minimalist camping/backpacking and woodland wilderness survival.
As an adult leader I was responsible for training adults and children in the scouts in survival. As a Scouting Professional I was in charge of the adult outdoor and survival training. I've spent well over 1,000 hrs in survival training. So as you can see I do have experience, and nothing that I would consider "expertise". But certainly experienced, and enough experience to know how rediculous most of the survival shows are.

 

[jaymeister99]

I'm sure there is some useful info on the show. But which is it? How is the novice supposed to know what is real and what is wrong? If you watch for purely entertainment value, ok (I personally dont get it). But for education? No way. Go buy some good survival books. Take a course. Go see your local Scout Council.

I'm a bit partial to Les Stroud, I do like Survivorman. Its got a bit more "reality".

 

[Shotgun]

Just stating that I do think anyone who goes into the woods for an extended time barefoot...is a jackass. Most people with any outdoor skills would agree.

Whatever you say judgy. People live there entire lives in the forest barefoot. Why are they jackasses? Your experience isn't the only one in this world. What's right for you isn't going to be right for the next guy. So keep on jugdin'.

 

[Brian Jones]

Okay, folks, let's not turn this nasty. We all chime in on a discussion and all have opinions. Let's please keep it respectful so I don't have to close the thread, okay? This discussion is about the show, not each other.

 

[Albin]

Cody is not dumb for not wearing shoes or even wearing shorts in knee deep snow. It's dumb because they're supposed to be showing how to survive. Not wearing shoes or wearing shorts in knee deep snow isn't the way to survive; it's a short trip to death.

 

[Woods Walker]

I think clothing options should be taken within the context of individual experiences. For me shorts work for much of the year in the woods be it trails or bushwhacking.

During this trip it went into the upper 20’s overnight.

Temps in the 90’s. Shorts come into their own at times like this.

Boxers and wool socks. Yup that's snow and it’s -5F outside. I have boots and layered clothing for the hike in but given my gear it’s more comfortable to walk outside to answer nature’s call and hang in the floorless shelter like that.

I will be heading out within a week for a trip and will be wearing shorts. Maybe some bugs will bite my legs or get a scrape from a fallen Hemlock but take the bad with the good. I couldn't pull off some of the stuff Cody does but that's ok. I never heard him say bare feet/shorts is the BEST way for everyone.

 

[jaymeister99]

Cody is not dumb for not wearing shoes or even wearing shorts in knee deep snow. It's dumb because they're supposed to be showing how to survive. Not wearing shoes or wearing shorts in knee deep snow isn't the way to survive; it's a short trip to death.

Exactly, good to know I'm not the only one who thinks so!

 

[tknife]

If you guys are only familiar with Cody through this show, then I can see your confusion. Rest assured he wasn't plucked off the street, thrown into these places and decided to take his shoes off and traipse around. It has been mentioned ad nauseum he has gone without shoes for 20 something years, and he is also adamant that this is his lifestyle choice and is not recommending to anyone.

It is dumbfounding to me that so much focus is placed on his lack of shoes Have you not watched any other Discovery channel shows where the native people were not wearing shoes, or even hardly any clothes? Because they live that way day in and day out, without ever giving a thought to putting something on their feet.

 

[jaymeister99]

Have you not watched any other Discovery channel shows where the native people were not wearing shoes, or even hardly any clothes? Because they live that way day in and day out, without ever giving a thought to putting something on their feet.

Yes, but those are native people who are not walking through the Pacific Northwest in extremely cold and wet weather. Its also likely that they don't have access to shoes. More than anything it is likely their customs, if you will.

So I see your point to a degree, it might be his personal custom or culture. But IMO still not a smart idea considering the circumstances to go deep in the woods without shoes, especially when you have them at your disposal.

But the shoes isn't all of it! Just a part of the rediculous stuff on these shows!

 

[dougo83]

I don't have "expert" credentials" but I do have about 28 years of outdoors and wilderness survival experience.

Oh, really? You spent 28 WHOLE YEARS living out in the wilderness and surviving?

A few things I will never do is walk barefoot through the forest (like the jackass on Dual Survival)

So...because Cody Lundin will, and has done it for decades, he is a jackass? I do not believe I have ever read a more ignorant statement.

or cauterize a small wound with gunpowder (like the jackass on Dual Survival).

I probably would never cauterize a wound at all.

Barefoot in the Pac Northwest? Are you kidding me?

I tried it. It's a little rough at first, but not unbearable.

Yeah, at one time all humans walked barefoot. But then about 4,000 years ago some people thought it would be a good idea to wear shoes.

Except for about 65% of the world population. According to National Geographic, the History Channel, my own personal experience, and READING A BOOK.

To each their own, if you like it then go ahead and watch it. For me its completely dumb.

Again, you call it dumb, but you aren't making any money off of your opinions, so what's really dumb?

Tell ya what, I'll even answer that: What is truly dumb is a bunch of people who obviously cannot tell that a show on t.v. is there for entertainment purposes and choose to insult the very well-educated participants of said show by calling them "dumb" or "jackass."

ETA:

Sorry, hardly hyping my "expertise". Like I said I'm not an expert. But somebody who apparently knows better than to go into the deep woods barefoot and cauterize a wound with gunpowder.

My family as a 1,000 acre ranch on the edge of the Texas Hill Country full of snakes, briars, cacti, etc. All of us kids ran around out there all summer barefoot with no problems.

Just stating that I do think anyone who goes into the woods for an extended time barefoot and cauterizes a small wound with gunpowder is a jackass. Most people with any outdoor skills would agree.

You are just wrong. Cody's going barefoot is a lifestyle choice that he carries over into the outdoors. It has never caused any problems, so...why is it stupid?


ETA again: You keep getting hung up on this shoe thing and calling anyone who doesn't wear shoes a jackass. All because you have some silly BSA training. Big deal. There are people all around the world who don't wear shoes for whatever reason and do just fine in jungles, deserts, mountains, etc. What, exactly, makes them jackasses?

 

[dougo83]

Cody is not dumb for not wearing shoes or even wearing shorts in knee deep snow. It's dumb because they're supposed to be showing how to survive. Not wearing shoes or wearing shorts in knee deep snow isn't the way to survive; it's a short trip to death.

This is incorrect. If it was even remotely true, Cody Lundin would have been dead now for 15 or so years. Remember, folks, just because YOU can't handle something doesn't mean somebody can't either.

 

[jaymeister99]

Oh, really? You spent 28 WHOLE YEARS living out in the wilderness and surviving?



So...because Cody Lundin will, and has done it for decades, he is a jackass? I do not believe I have ever read a more ignorant statement.



I probably would never cauterize a wound at all.



I tried it. It's a little rough at first, but not unbearable.



Except for about 65% of the world population. According to National Geographic, the History Channel, my own personal experience, and READING A BOOK.



Again, you call it dumb, but you aren't making any money off of your opinions, so what's really dumb?

Tell ya what, I'll even answer that: What is truly dumb is a bunch of people who obviously cannot tell that a show on t.v. is there for entertainment purposes and choose to insult the very well-educated participants of said show by calling them "dumb" or "jackass."

ETA:



My family as a 1,000 acre ranch on the edge of the Texas Hill Country full of snakes, briars, cacti, etc. All of us kids ran around out there all summer barefoot with no problems.



You are just wrong. Cody's going barefoot is a lifestyle choice that he carries over into the outdoors. It has never caused any problems, so...why is it stupid?


ETA again: You keep getting hung up on this shoe thing and calling anyone who doesn't wear shoes a jackass. All because you have some silly BSA training. Big deal. There are people all around the world who don't wear shoes for whatever reason and do just fine in jungles, deserts, mountains, etc. What, exactly, makes them jackasses?

Ok then!:thumbup:

 

[dougo83]

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?!

Quoted so you can't crawfish out of it. aaaannnddd...reported.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

jaymeister99 aaaannnddd dougo83, please see post # 49 by the moderator:

Okay, folks, let's not turn this nasty. We all chime in on a discussion and all have opinions. Let's please keep it respectful so I don't have to close the thread, okay? This discussion is about the show, not each other.

Back and forth arguing, picking each others' opinions apart line by line, is not a friendly way to talk about the great outdoors.

If Brian and I have to, we'll feed the both of you to a Sasquatsh.

 

[jaymeister99]

Quoted so you can't crawfish out of it. aaaannnddd...reported.

Thank you. That is why I removed it. I didnt' see any point in making this any dumber than it already was.

Sorry Esav, with all due respect I didn't think I was arguing back and forth. I really didnt make this an argument. I was about to, thats why I changed my post.

At no point in my discussions did I attack anyone here, until my post you quoted which I deleted to avoid exactly what will probably now happen.