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trentu

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I have a busse knife but I have been recording the fakes as well. If jerry would release what he makes on each knife then it would be good?!? Can you explain the percentage of fake knives???? Thank you!!!
 
trentu said:
I have a busse knife but I have been recording the fakes as well. If jerry would release what he makes on each knife then it would be good?!? Can you explain the percentage of fake knives???? Thank you!!!
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Are you asking for numbers of each blade type released by Busse (useless really, but makes some sense) or Busse's profit margin on each knife (what you appear to have actually said, but of no apparent use in spotting fakes)?
 
I have seen lots of Busse fakes. For one if they are being sold from China or close to there, it is a fake. Unfortunately I am sure there are people who buy them from China and try and pass them off as fakes. I buy either direct from Busse or from a forum member. Seeing knives in other places with the Busse Logo I tend to look for obvious signs. INFI dimples, the way the handles are made, If the handles have been replaced then back to the steel and the tool marks and tell tale signs I see in forum pics. If in doubt ask to have it checked before paying a huge price for it. To be honest it would not offend me one bit if I was selling a knife and someone asked to have it checked by the local gun or knife dealer that knows what they are looking at. To the question of releasing what he makes on each blade. I don't personally feel that to be a good question. This is a business and although he started making knives as his passion, which it is still is. He is business to make money and to pay the employees he has on staff. Now I am sure its nice to do something that you have passion for. But we cant knock a man for making a buck or two. That profit margin varies accordingly too depending on the blade, style, material, finishing, etc. The only way to explain the fakes, unfortunately you know you are successful when people are trying to copy your product and or process. In this case they are putting the Busse name on the blade. Most of what I have seen comes from China. They would copy you if there was profit in it. I have business in China and trust me, you can copy anything over there. Even I have been tempted to copy some products overseas. Being I live here in the US I don't want the trouble that comes along with doing that. Not worth the time and money spent in court for copyright infringement.


trentu said:
I have a busse knife but I have been recording the fakes as well. If jerry would release what he makes on each knife then it would be good?!? Can you explain the percentage of fake knives???? Thank you!!!
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What is the purpose of this thread? How To - Economy Knives??? How to what? How to get them? How to make them? I smell a nasty rat here.

Copycats are unimaginative leeches who damage legitimate business. One can only assume that supporting these morons is only a reflection on poor standards of human etiquette.
 
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I've been waiting for clarification on the OP as well. Thinking bad translation, but not sure if a better translation will be...better.
Don't really know where the poster is going with this, but my finger is floating over the threadlock option.
 
trentu said:
I have a busse knife but I have been recording the fakes as well. If jerry would release what he makes on each knife then it would be good?!? Can you explain the percentage of fake knives???? Thank you!!!
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What does recording fakes as well mean?

You want jerry to release "what he makes on each knife." What does that mean?

How can anyone here explain the percentage of fakes. That is an impossible task and what would the answer get you?
What is it that you are trying to get at?
 
I think he might mean how can he try and get a deal on a Busse and not end up getting a fake. That is just a guess though obviously English isn't their first language.
 
My take, after a double take at the start, is much like evlDan's. I think the poster is asking about how many of each model are made (as opposed to how much made off each one) to try and use this to figure out if what is being offered for sale to him (or us) is a real or a fake. I do not however think that this will assist in clearly identifying fakes.

The better way would be to ask the good folks here to help you out, there are plenty of knowledgeable collectors who have lots of in hand experience who would help with this.

Andy
 
These days with computerized machinery in china it is impossible to tell if they really wanted to make and exact fake except by actual use. But that would be true for a copy of any well known knife.
 
Andy the Aussie said:
My take, after a double take at the start, is much like evlDan's. I think the poster is asking about how many of each model are made (as opposed to how much made off each one) to try and use this to figure out if what is being offered for sale to him (or us) is a real or a fake. I do not however think that this will assist in clearly identifying fakes.

The better way would be to ask the good folks here to help you out, there are plenty of knowledgeable collectors who have lots of in hand experience who would help with this.

Andy
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Yes I agree too. Let's hope OP stops by to say hi. :)
 
I think it's just the wording of the original post. My guess is that the OP feels if there was a rough estimate of how many of each model were made there would then be some calculation of how many would end up in the secondary market. That's not even taking into account special production runs or military blades. While I'm always curious how many are made, and whats popular, its more because I'm a bit obsessed With Jerry's knives. To try and answer the question Trentu, I don't think having some of those numbers would help people determine if a knife is fake or not. If it's coming from somewhere that you can't verify, or selling for a fraction of the original cost it's almost certainly not real. If somehow you get ahold of one of these you should be able to tell buy fit and finish. If that fails, try pounding it through a couple car doors and bricks and stuff. :).
 
So one way of making it harder for makers of fakes is adding a serial number to each knife. Not full proof, but a step in that direction.
 
Sure that would work. With the etching and engraving technology as it is, it could be incorporated into the CNC machine process, could even note it on the Swine cut sheet as a confirmation of authenticity. nice idea.
Cobalt said:
So one way of making it harder for makers of fakes is adding a serial number to each knife. Not full proof, but a step in that direction.
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I've noted of late some voracious purchasers on the exchange who's first language is not English. This has me wondering if there is some kind of 'buy up scheme' for exporting to copy... Just playing Devils advocate here and not making any insinuations.

Lawrie
 
lozdesign7 said:
i've noted of late some voracious purchasers on the exchange who's first language is not english. This has me wondering if there is some kind of 'buy up scheme' for exporting to copy... Just playing devils advocate here and not making any insinuations.

Lawrie
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???huh???
 
lozdesign7 said:
I've noted of late some voracious purchasers on the exchange who's first language is not English. This has me wondering if there is some kind of 'buy up scheme' for exporting to copy... Just playing Devils advocate here and not making any insinuations.

Lawrie
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For the last year or so I've thought the same. Then when I saw more and more guys sell to these (1)(2) people those same thoughts Deminished.
 
bullpin said:
For the last year or so I've thought the same. Then when I saw more and more guys sell to these (1)(2) people those same thoughts Deminished.
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Why?

Not trying to be a pessimist, but maybe they want a prototype for each design. I'm sincerely hoping that's not the case.

A lot of things on Busse knives I would think would be hard to fake, but I've been hearing from a few folks that the fakes are getting better and better. In some cases almost indiscernible. That's scary.
 
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