Economy

I live in So. Calif., and lots of folks just lost their homes because of fires. You know what that means???? What a boost to the local ecomomy! Lots of construction jobs, and the money (insurance) comes from outside the community so even more economic stimulation. What an economic windfall from a potential disaster.

chrisaloia-Keep worrying about stuff....and it will only shorten your lifespan!!!
 
reconranger said:
I live in So. Calif., and lots of folks just lost their homes because of fires. You know what that means???? What a boost to the local ecomomy! Lots of construction jobs, and the money (insurance) comes from outside the community so even more economic stimulation. What an economic windfall from a potential disaster.

chrisaloia-Keep worrying about stuff....and it will only shorten your lifespan!!!
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This is sick. The fires and destruction are certainly not a blessing. Stop poking at Chris for an introductory line that others have already said is unnecessary as an incentive to his main point. (DROP the politics.)

Worrying about stuff is another way of saying think about what you need before you need it. This is more likely to increase your lifespan than to shorten it.
 
No problem chrisaloia....

Look. Economic collapse. Wildfires. Hurricanes. Infrastructure disasters. Zombies. Whatever. If you dont realize that crazy stuff can and does happen, then you really ought to check out the news once in a while.

On one hand I'm with reconranger, you cant live your life hiding in your basement with your canned goods, but you can prepare and consider things.

And a big sturdy knife, a multitool, some cash, and maybe a gun are gonna get one out of most trouble.
 
Worry or weighing options for the future? Many people, whether or not someone might say "shit happens," buy houses, invest in the stock market or buy insurance.

Smart people make good decisions, based on reliable information and reap the rewards, (ROI). If you are looking to purchase a home and you live in an area where the economy might become lean, it might not be the best investment.

Also, I am just raising the possibility of economic recession based on a damn credible source. To remain deaf to reliable information is not a good survival skill. To change your whole life based on this prediction is also not good survival sense.

To ponder the possiblity and weigh out your contigencies is where I am at.
 
Gardening is important. We lived off the garden quite a bit in the '70's and ours will be much bigger next year. I'm searching for a source of cheap water barrels to catch rain run off for the garden. The cost of municipal water has almost doubled in the past 5 years.

We're helping friends establish their organic/heritage vegetable business. They are out in the middle of no where, have a good water source, lots of secure storage, and decent hunting land (even tho they are vegans).
 
Random04 said:
Sorry, no, I wasn't directing sarcasm at you in any way, shape or form. I agree, you are in the perfect job because your services will always be needed. I left my previous profession (partially due to the economy) and am now preparing to take the boards to get my license as a nurse. Based on our aging population I should have a job as long as I am capable of working. I hope to be as employable no matter what happens to the economy.

I was playing off of your Father or HOME land comment and I agree with what I think you were saying. It seems to me there is a a trend toward not question Government agencies and politicians. I saw it pretty strongly among the 18 - 23 year old group that I was taking science classes with. I'm 42 and have distrust of government after growing up in the 70's (Watergate, Vietnam, etc). For the past 13 years I have worked for state government and have developed an even stronger distrust of government as I have seen first-hand some of the policies that have been developed to deal with a slowing economy.

My reference to "Work Makes Your Free" is a bitter comment because it was written above the gates of one of the concentration camps "Arbeiten macht Frei" I believe it was. Those in the camps and private citizens were told that they would be free as long as they worked and had work to do. Some of the 20-somethings that used to work for me had this sort of attitude. "If I have a job, things must be good and we are doing the right thing..." "I'm going to vote for dude because he IM'ed me...."

To "The Chef", I was not trying to slam you or be sarcastic and I apologize if it sounded that way. I was venting my frustration about American society and probably chose a poor way to do it.
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Cool.:cool:
No reason to be sorry man, I sometimes read either too much or too little into comments. Its cool we have the same outlook on things. Hey speaking of the paranoid 70"s doesn't alot of whats going on now a days remind you of the Invasion of the Body snatchers with Donald Sutherland...ie there are terrorists (aliens) extremists (aliens) and everything else out there the media props up for fear mongering?

As a nurse your skillset is well suited to the longest living batch of americans yet, trying to fight through that last (worst) 15 years tasked on to the end of life ;):thumbup:.

I am going to make a potato garden in my backyard in honor of this thread. Then when the FBI shuts me down for illegally growing and eating my own food (not FDA approved) I can do the American thing and sue the internet for giving me the idea. :p
 
Esav Benyamin said:
This is sick. The fires and destruction are certainly not a blessing. Stop poking at Chris for an introductory line that others have already said is unnecessary as an incentive to his main point. (DROP the politics.)

Worrying about stuff is another way of saying think about what you need before you need it. This is more likely to increase your lifespan than to shorten it.
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A few weeks ago, they were saying construction workers were going to be out of work. Now they all will have jobs rebuilding those houses. Believe me, I know lots of folks who wish their houses had burned, and they could get a wad of insurance money and a brand new house!
 
chrisaloia said:
I think economic recession is hardest to prepare for because you are not sure how hard it will effect you.
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Chrisaloia, I think the above quote from you distills what I would have typed out. In many ways a recession is far tougher to deal with than the SHTF scenario. You can plan for complete kaos to some extent. However, a recession is like that tumor that causes you to be a little more weak and lose a little more weight. You don't really know you have the disease until you start to really shut down. So you keep on your bad habits that much longer and the cummulative effect is that the longer you wait, the more difficult it is to take corrective actions.

In my way of thinking, there is a hierarchy to Chrisaloia' original question:

1) what cues do you look for that the society/community you are living in are going array
2) what is your threshold for when you decide to react to those cues?
3) how do you adjust your behavior

btw I can't really fault the Y2K over-prepared nerds. I was one of those folks who didn't do much, then I really started regretting that the night of. To some extent that event contributed to my interest in survivalism - even if it was an event that never happened.
 
What is the reason someone would worry about the economy??? Security and survival......

How many of you dirve a vehicle? How many of you ever drive your vehicle without a seat belt? How many of you ride your bicycle, motorcycle or atv without a helmet? How many of you smoke cigarettes? How many of you have a few drinks and then drive your car? How many of you have beer gut that hangs way over your belt? The list could go on and on.......

All these things will kill you way sooner than "economic collapse" will, so if anybody is sitting home worrying about that....you have your priorities all messed up!
 
This is so funny.

If you look at the archives on this forum you will see at least a thousand threads on a guy lost in the woods, what knife should he have?

Then there might be all of three on this topic and people freak like it is ridiculous thought.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
This is sick. The fires and destruction are certainly not a blessing.
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It is sick. It's also true. Construction means more jobs for construction workers.

However, that isn't necessarily a blessing. All that rebuild money has to come from somewhere. Whether it comes from savings, insurance, government, etc, everyone suffers from the destruction, in the form of disposable income being disposed of involuntarily, rising insurance rates, and public burden. Not to mention the suffering and lives lost.

chrisaloia, you do make a great point, though. This forum is usually filled with all kinds of ridiculous topics, folks worried about and preparing for all kinds of outlandish things. But far more people will be affected by an economic downturn than by mountain lions, bears, etc.
 
shecky said:
chrisaloia, you do make a great point, though. This forum is usually filled with all kinds of ridiculous topics, folks worried about and preparing for all kinds of outlandish things. But far more people will be affected by an economic downturn than by mountain lions, bears, etc.
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It is natural for people to worry about and want to be prepared for extreme danger. People probably go by the "rather be prepared in a bad situation than unprepared" way of thinking. I do see his point though, its no use worrying about bears if you are a stay at home mom, but a zoo keeper should worry about their safety. I guess my point is, if you have reason to worry, get prepared. If you have no reason to worry, dont worry. If that makes sense.

Just throwing that out there.

-Cuchuga
 
Threat analysis recognizes different levels of hazard. Some are common but minor -- a cut finger. Some are rare but deadly -- a wild animal attack. Some are cyclic and can be dealt with by reasonable precautions. We know economic conditions shift constantly. Some of these shifts can be catastrophic for the individuals most affected by them. Plan ahead, it never costs to plan. Stock up, you'll use the stock eventually anyway. Mock people for bringing up the topic -- why?
 
chrisaloia said:
I have been listening to the news lately and the US economy is not doing very well. Our country is over spending and borrowing from China and Europe. Those countries have been considering pulling out their investments.

This thread is not about blame........It is about as survivalists how do we prepare for an economic recession.


Garden
Hunting
trading stuff

What other skills could come in handy?
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The preparation and cooking of long pig. Just read a great book about it.
 
I will say that perhaps the best skill that you can have personally is a strong grasp of personal finance in such a scenario.

Minimize Debt, maximize spending capital, buy in bulk, stay mentally flexible about moving or selling something or taking a new job.

The value of a garden or even hunting (ala Deerslayer) did is that it frees money for the budget to pay bills as well as giving a peace of mind by reducing "what ifs".

Besides, it one thing to prepare, it's another to lose sleep over a possibility, if things go bad we all will know it soon enough.
 
kgd said:
In my way of thinking, there is a hierarchy to Chrisaloia' original question:

1) what cues do you look for that the society/community you are living in are going array
2) what is your threshold for when you decide to react to those cues?
3) how do you adjust your behavior
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kgd, You hit the nail on the head and said it way better than me. It is more like the frog in the warm water scenario that I am speaking.

Thanks
 
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