EDC Choices - A personal reflection, an unfortunate situation and a few questions...

There is certainly no cowardice here. Stabbing & slashing with a knife is a dangerously intimate way to defend oneself even if one on one. The wounds are gruesome & fallout most times harrowing.

Glad you walked away in health.
 
Once they got the drop on you, you were at their mercy. It sucks, no way around it, no one is that quick. To pull a knife and deploy it takes fine motor skills, which are gone at that point. You did the right and only thing you could, and lived.
 
Thanks Guys,

I don't want to drag this thread on unnecessarily. I really appreciate your thoughts, comments and input.

If I am completely honest, I still feel like a dick for letting this happen but I am working on counting my blessings. You guys are part of those blessings. Thank you - sincerely...

Ben
 
Thanks Guys,

I don't want to drag this thread on unnecessarily. I really appreciate your thoughts, comments and input.

If I am completely honest, I still feel like a dick for letting this happen but I am working on counting my blessings. You guys are part of those blessings. Thank you - sincerely...

Ben

You'll always have negative thoughts, second guess yourself, and suffer attacks from the "What if" monkeys in the aftermath of such situations.
No matter what you do in the situation, the aftermath will involve such feelings.

But you're alive to have those thoughts, and that's the entire goal in a dangerous situation. :thumbup:
 
I'll keep my response short. In your situation you did 100% the right thing. You were not injured and no legal entanglements. Before you ever consider using a knife (I also carry a Matriarch 2) you must have the conviction to use it. Not an easy thing. I work in LE and I've had some situations break bad. You only have seconds and you are usually going to be the slower person (having to react rather than act).
I will say this from experience a blade can be far more disastrous up close than a gun.
If you ever buy a specific self defense blade (matriarch 2) you need to spend time playing through the scenarios in your mind and know that you will act on them.
I saw a woman slice a mans stomach open on the side of a street arguing over a place in line. She was shot. She lived. He didn't and went through serious agony before he died.
There are few things as brutal and gruesome as a knife attack. Be sure you can go through with it if you pull it out.
 
I'd only use a self defense weapon if my life was in danger. But honestly, all they wanted was your money. Your money isn't worth getting into a knife fight. That's a dirty situation. You did the right thing.
 
well done. i would have done the same. walking away alive is the most important thing.
 
Ben as everyone else has pretty much said, I think you did the right thing. If I think about what I would do in that situation the macho in me would say yeah I'd carve em up like turkeys. The reality is that unless I knew for sure that my life was in danger, I'd maybe put up a fight at most so I could get away. Most likely I'd probably just let them take my valuables and hope they leave me be. I'd imagine the repercussions of stabbing/slicing someone in a place like China wouldn't go well for you. That's one of those countries that I think I'd prefer to be dead rather than spend time in jail.

My dad told me of a similar thing that happened to him back in the 90s or so in Trinidad. He was coming home late one night and stopped at a traffic light and a guy stuck a knife through the window, held it to his neck and demanded his money and jewelry. My dad gave up a few expensive family heirloom gold chains, some cash, and a bit of pride. He used to hang out with a lot of cops and military guys down there so he put the word out. A couple days later some of his cop friends came and picked him up, took him to meet his robber who they'd found who'd by then sold off the valuables for drugs. My dad spent a few quality minutes with the guy then let the cops take him away. He never got back his jewelry or cash but last I checked still had the fixed blade he was held up with. I think he calls it Betty or Betsy or something like that!

Anyhow, I'm glad you're ok!
 
At least in my opinion, the implications of using an edged weapon in a country you are not a citizen of, with laws that are impossible to know at the time, could be tremendous...and when I say "tremendous" I am talking like life in prison depending on the outcome. Allowing someone to get cash or replaceable objects was the best choice IMO. To me, that's probably the best way to escape that sort of situation in which no outcomes are guaranteed, and there was certainly a high probability that taking action could create a worse situation.

For use of an edged tool as an edged weapon, I think knives specifically designed for this usage are the best choice (ones that are LEGAL for carry wherever you take it), along with training on how to properly use them. Still, the implications of using an edged weapon can be huge. You will probably find yourself in a legal situation of major stress, and possibly really bad outcomes. When there are two or more people engaging in a struggle with edged weapons, quite often the end-result sucks for everyone (it's not unheard of for the outcome of a "knife fight" for all parties to wind up dead or permanently disfigured).

Like the US, China may have variation by locales within local 'defense laws' that protect victims who fight back, or may have different laws dictating what can be used/carried accordingly and how much you are protected if you are the victim. In some places in the US, these laws are strong, but in others, they are not or they are ambiguous. This should certainly factor into decisions regarding this topic. While you often hear the saying about being tried versus being carried, it's never really that simple if being tried means you could lose your freedom for the rest of your life (that isn't a whole lot better than being carried, IMHO).

The design of most practical edged weapons tends to favor the 'strike-->run' idea in that you retreat to escape as quickly as you can with the minimal amount of force required to get out of the situation. That functions under the (generally supported) reasoning that the longer you stick around, the more likely you are to be incapacitated or die (which strongly contrasts most media and some not so practical training). In the best case scenario, a knife is not the best weapon for a variety of reasons, and in many self-defense situations it will have limited and even no usage value. In certain situations, it could even make the outcome worse. Most producers of edged weapons with practical usage have noted that their designs are really one of "absolute last resort" when there are zero other options on the table and the situation has reached a scenario of really-bad-to-the-tenth-power (Spyderco included).




So the bottom line is that the moment an edged tool is deployed, presented, or used as an edged weapon in these sorts of scenarios, absolutely everything changes, and by no means is the change necessarily for the better.
 
At 4-1, odds are they still could've overpowered you and used your knife against you.

Unless you have extensive training, I wouldn't resort to using a knife in a self defence scenario unless my life was in immediate danger (i.e. Kill or be killed).

You did the right thing handing them the cash. For all you know one or more of them could've had a knife as well and again, the last thing id want to partake in is a knife fight because more often than not, nobody walks out a winner and again, unless you have extensive training, striking with the required precision to stop an adversary would probably be more about luck than skill.

Being more aware of your surroundings and avoiding the altercation altogether is probably the best way to hold onto your money.
 
I know what you did was the right choice but having faced a potential knife attack on more than one occasion. Let me just say that the situation is uncomfortable at best and more realistically a crap your pants in fear try to run away from the knife moment. I don't know about 4 guys but you might have been able to damage two or three of them pretty bad before someone got you. Not advocating for fighting in that situation whatsoever BTW!
 
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