educate me on what a traditional folder is...and is not

[Signalprick]

On the contrary during ww2 the germans were responsible for vast advancements in all kinds of technology that have had a major impact on the world. Just to name a couple, jet engines and helicopters. They were also responsible for many small arms advancements, so if you like guns you can thank them for that too.

I think "credit" would be better to say than "thank". Most sane people wouldn't thank the Nazi's for anything.

 

[WinchesteRalox]

Ok for my example here I will use two Case knives the russlock and the trapperlock with Clip and thumb stud. Both can be opened one handed both have backspings,bolsters, but because the trapper has a clip and stud that disqualifies it for traditional statues and the russlock is allowed in my opinion because they just combined the tang from some friction folders with a regular slip joint.

 

[Jack Black]

Is there a specific thread in general? Or do you just mean the general discussion? To me the general category is pretty much just modern folders discussion,(titanium frame locks, axis, flippers, etc.) I’m thinking it’d be nice to have a category defined for the newer interpretation of traditional designs. Viper EZ open, Benchmade Proper, traditionals but with clips, one hand open slipjoints,and of course the new CRK. I’m sure there are more that will fit into this new category nicely and help to reduce the argument in the traditional category.

And this is pretty much the traditional knife forum. All sorts of knives can be discussed in General. Just start a thread there

As for this knife, there's already a thread about it in the CRK forum

 

[r8shell]

Is there a specific thread in general? Or do you just mean the general discussion? To me the general category is pretty much just modern folders discussion,(titanium frame locks, axis, flippers, etc.) I’m thinking it’d be nice to have a category defined for the newer interpretation of traditional designs. Viper EZ open, Benchmade Proper, traditionals but with clips, one hand open slipjoints,and of course the new CRK. I’m sure there are more that will fit into this new category nicely and help to reduce the argument in the traditional category.

There's no rule that only modern folders can be discussed in General. Start a thread there about "new interpretations of traditional designs." I think it would generate a lot of interest.

On the contrary during ww2 the germans were responsible for vast advancements in all kinds of technology that have had a major impact on the world. Just to name a couple, jet engines and helicopters. They were also responsible for many small arms advancements, so if you like guns you can thank them for that too.

Page four and we're getting farther and farther from the topic.

 

[Jack Black]

Page four and we're getting farther and farther from the topic.

For me, this (below - my emphasis) says it all

Getting back to a topic that was closed by an admin.

 

[spyderg]

I know there’s no rule against traditional discussion there, but it’s pretty much a modern section. It seems a lot of “unacceptable” traditionals keep popping up in the traditional section and it sparks threads like this one. I just thought it’d be easier if there was a new clearly defined section rather than arguing about them in one or endlessly searching in another. Just my two cents, I’ll read about them wherever the thread or threads end up.

 

[dantzk8]

On the contrary during ww2 the germans were responsible for vast advancements in all kinds of technology that have had a major impact on the world. Just to name a couple, jet engines and helicopters. They were also responsible for many small arms advancements, so if you like guns you can thank them for that too.

I won't thank them for anything. I'm French and old enough to have heard from those who lived this period what a hell it was for them. Two useless words: "under Hitler" annoyed me.
The sign of a veiled arrogance. Sorry to be off topic; I had to say it.

Dan.

 

[Peregrin]

knarfeng
I'm weighing in here, almost against my better judgement.

The definition of what is considered a traditional knife, for the purposes of this forum, is presented here, Guidelines For The "Traditional Folders & Fixed Blades" Sub-Forum. Whether you agree with it or don't agree with it, it is what it is. Please also understand that where traditional ends and modern begins is a gray area, we understand that. We do our best to be fair and logical in our decisions, but the bottom line is, it's our decision. Since there's a General Knife Discussion Forum it's not like there's nowhere to discuss what you in particular want to discuss, knifewise. Also, as was mentioned earlier, you can always reach out to Frank or me via Conversation or Profile Post to ask our opinion, before you post something you feel might be questionable.

In an effort to allow the folks that like to frequent this particular sub-forum to present their modern knives there's a few threads that we've not taken exception to. Specifically Traditional and Modern pairings and Modern Traditionals..... There's still some guidelines associated with those particular threads, they are posted by either Frank or me in the body of the threads. It's unlikely there will be any additional threads that specifically refer to modern knives.

As was mentioned in the closed thread, it's unlikely someone is going to get called out for posting the new CRK slip joint in the daily carry thread, as long as the pocket clip isn't showing. We recognize that "the times they are a changing" but we need to have a line of demarcation, and we do.

Just to add, please ditch the Nazi references, good or bad. It's not open for discussion here.

That said, thread is closed. Any questions, feel free to reach out via Conversation or Profile Post.

Thanks.

 

[knarfeng]

To Gary's excellent post, I'll add this response to the original post...

I would like to know what a traditional pocket knife is? Or what qualifies a folder to be a traditional for this sub forum?

We know that it cannot have a lock.
No thumbstud or one hand opening
no pocket clip

What about the age of the design?
Is it American made only?.. or are European knives also considered traditionals?

In addition to the Forum Guidelines here
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...s-fixed-blades-sub-forum.530532/#post-5297415

I'll add this:
The Traditional Forum draws the line for "traditional designs" at about the Buck 110 (1964)
So
Can have a traditional lock. (lock back or traditional liner lock)
Cannot have a modern Walker Liner lock or frame lock.
Not a modern, one-hand opener. (The 100+ year old razor knife pattern is traditional.)

Glass breaker features on fixed blades, oddly shaped blades, and blades with unusual holes are usually not "in". Although see the next item.

The knives can be from any country or culture. Some countries have uniquely shaped blades, which are traditional in the country. Those are "in".

Overall, it needs to "look traditional". There is a certain amount of leeway in this. because it is a feel more than an exact definition. The closest we can say is that the rule of thumb is, 'If the average fella in the early 1960's would not have raised an eyebrow at it, then it's "Traditional" '. We have some members here who have decades of experience collecting traditional patterns. If somebody like Charlie @waynorth has a problem with the knife being "traditional", then it likely isn't. And last, but not least, Gary and I both fall into that category of "people with decades of experience". We've both been carrying pocket knives since before modern designs existed. So, while we try to allow some leeway, we both have been known to close threads or remove posts.