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asdf12345 if thats how you view knives with error, if you do happen to land your hands on a bob Lovelace knife with a naked lady facing front on one side and back facing the other and says R.W.WW instead of R.W then please let me know ill give yah $100 bucks for that useless blemish knife.
A handmade Loveless isn't equivalent to a ZT machine produced production knife with units in the thousands, possibly tens of thousands.
And in any case, if I was buying the knife for myself, I wouldn't want one with an error, even a Loveless.
Okay so which is greater, 10 or 10k? If 10k of such model were made and all of them had perfect etchings aside from the 10 that have double etchings, I would rather have one of the rare double etched ones than one of the 9990 perfect examples. A rare error on a mass produced knife makes a common knife rare due to the fact that it has a Rare error. Now to me that is makes it stand out among the rest. And plus, it has two markings of elmax, maybe that makes it twice better than regular elmax who knows.
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The wisconsin quarter had a few blems when it first came out. An extra leaf on the corn husk to be exact. People pay anywhere from $200-1500 for these blemished quarters. Since you don't like blemished anything, if you find one, please send it my way. I'll even give you $1.00 for it.
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None of those brands label their blems like that. So seeing them without XXXX's is commonplace. To get a misprint from Kai without their designation of a blem is rare and collectible for some. And we arent talking about uneven grinds or mismatched hardware. The hardware could be something done by an individual with absolutely no proof it was factory done. For everything YOU think is stupid you are going to find someone who feels the opposite.
You cant think of a single person who would think differently than you even though multiple people have actually stated so? I wouldnt have believed it unless I actually read it. Debating a topic and stating your opinion is one thing. Pretending like your point of view is the only view to have is entirely different. And yes you often present your opinion as fact no matter how many oppose you. And you often scoff at the possibility that others dont feel the same way. And in a situation where you are saying something isnt anything special and present that as a fact and other disagree then you are wrong. Its that simple.
I really am starting to believe you dont understand the difference between fact and opinion. I personally wouldnt pay extra for that knife. But I know for a fact that other people would. I have seen it happen. And they are participating in this thread. If everyone felt the same as you and I the thought wouldnt have been presented several times by different people. So what is more foolish? Maybe selling a knife for profit because others who have actually had luck with such goods know you are wrong or pretending like your opinion is fact when others have actually stated they find it desirable. To me its more foolish to pretend that others didnt voice an opposite opinion proving that others dont always feel the way you do. And I would bet if this was about any other knife besides a kai knife you probably wouldnt even have participated.
Great. But others disagree. Which in this case means you simply have an...................
opinion
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This. People will pay $200 for a quarter that was struck twice from the U.S. Mint, perhaps you would get enough to buy TWO ZT's.
First of all, I would have said the same thing no matter what brand it was.
Let me ask you a corresponding question, do you think people would be oohing and aahing over the printing error if it was an unpopular brand of knife? Lots of people attacked Microtech pretty harshly for printing M690 instead of N690 on a few of their newer Halo Vs. And God help a company who people perceive as having bad QC and fit & finish. A printing error would just be seen as further evidence that that company doesn't care about what leaves the door as long as they can sell it.
Whenever people ask about low serial numbers being more valuable, I always say that it's not a guaranteed thing except perhaps #000 or #001 marked knives. Same thing with blemishes and errors. There's no guarantee that any value is added, and frankly the idea that cosmetic blemishes and factory errors make a knife worth more is annoying.
Everything I post is just my opinion, I thought that was implicit. I'm not going to waste my time adding "Hey, this is just my opinion, by the way, so you can take it or leave it, and if you feel differently you're welcome to do so, and I still have full respect for you even if you disagree with me or prefer something other than what I prefer. We're all friends here!" to every single thing I post.
On the other hand if you're criticizing the tone of my posts, then I think you're singling me out, because there's a lot of members here who have an even harsher and dismissive tone than I do. Why not respond to every one of their posts, both to the ones you agree with and the ones you don't?
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Of course they wouldnt. What is unpopular is unpopular. But what is your point? I am actually surprised you ask. You should know that an undesirable knife is an undesired item no matter what it is. When you have things that all ready have a following and there are errors it can drive a secondary market for misprints and unintentional one offs. Good examples are desirable cars that are in factory one off colors or original mistakes on certain cars that normally wouldnt come with that option such as a special order mustang with a rare engine not usually seen in that model. You seem to present your question as proving it shouldnt matter because no one cares when a mistake is made on a crap no name knife. But the name behind the product and its all ready desirable nature is precisely why people care. But make no mistake the reason why people care about this brand is based on more than just a name. You dont get it and that is fine. But your opinion is not the standard in which all others are to be measured. As someone who dislikes more things about knives than they like I dont exactly expect you to understand this view point. But not accepting that it exists just because you dont understand it is a bit silly to some. I personally dont like hinderers. I also dont like medfords. I may even make the occasional joke intended in their direction. But I am not blind to why people like them. I simply dont share their passion.
And I personally feel a double print on a single knife (so far) is a bit different than getting the name of the steel completely wrong in the first place on an entire production run of knives. And yes a company with all ready horrible quality and service who also makes these kinds of mistakes will come under more scrutiny because it is just another example of par for the course in their regard. A company not known for these traits who let one slip through IS different because they arent known for it so there is a surprise it left like that. Quite honestly man you are giving all the reasons why people do like these things as examples of why they shouldnt. I had a ZT0400 scavenger that was completely sterile. Some employees thought didnt even think it was possible. It didnt bring a large premium but I didnt try that hard either. I did get more for it than a standard one though so I am not speaking entirely without perspective.
Serial numbers are a completely different thing IMHO. When a company serializes every single knife on every single run then having a low number isnt so special. Now if that company is known for serializing perfectly and you find five knives came out with the same serial number on accident someone might find that desirable as it goes against the norm of what is expected from that company. I know some guys who wouldnt even buy a knife period but they collect misprints of anything and would probably buy it if they knew it was not the norm.
And no not everyone knows that you are simply expressing your opinion because you dont evade to that in the slightest. You really dont. And really be honest. What takes more time?An IMHO or your paragraph explaining why its a waste of your time? Either way using it or not using it, you dont always have to state you are just expressing your opinion and still not imply that. You speak in a matter of absolution with no potential for a different perspective. And when you argue it in that same manner people really do get the impression that you are trying to tell THEM how they should be thinking rather than just conveying your own thoughts.
As to your last grievance you really are missing a lot. As I am all ready doing as you request. I have a dismissive tone. I know it and admit it. But I do make an effort to convey to people that this is how I am and its a character defect and simply me abrasively expressing my opinion. And I all ready told you that I agree with you. I would NOT pay more for that knife just as you wouldnt. But even though I know I would not, doesnt mean I will dismiss the idea that others might as I have seen it happen. Mind you I was scratching my head the entire time but I have seen a ton of things I dont understand yet I see them with my eyes just the same. As for singling you out? Its probably just the law of averages. Where I see you consistently exhibiting the same behavior in nearly every thread you participate in and we both seem to share the same interests in topics yet often are on opposing views. And the reason I wont respond to EVERYONES posts exhibiting your behavior is because I dont actively seek it out. I speak up when I see it. But I dont open threads I have no interest in simply to seek an argument. I simply get into arguments way to quickly in threads I DO have an interest in. And if you really think I am singling you out why not ask craytab or bluesbender if they know who I am. You will be able to feel their eyes roll into the backs of their heads through space and time. But even though I know they cringe every time they see me quote one of their posts at the end of th day I'd still buy them a beverage of their choice as even though we rarely agree I admire them for other reasons they may not even know.
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It's only valuable as a collector's piece if the entity producing the piece rarely lets a faulty product make it to the public's hands. KAI does a lot of good but you can't exactly say that a messed up KAI knife is super rare. It would be awesome if I could've sold the 0560CBCF with a pretty obviously terrible grind for about 3 grand. But that's not what happened. People either refused to see that it was faulty or they didn't want a messed up knife. So back to the factory it went for destruction.
The US mint allows such a few number of screwed up pieces to the public that when one actually does, it's a spectacle. That's where collectors come in. This Kershaw example is not the same as a stamp with an upside down airplane or a dollar bill with three GW heads. Sure, someone may want it as a collector's piece in the future, but they won't pay a ridiculous sum for it. Maybe they'll pay market price plus a couple of bucks 10 years after the knife is discontinued. Is that worth anything? I guess that's on the guy holding the knife.
The US mint allows such a few number of screwed up pieces to the public that when one actually does, it's a spectacle. That's where collectors come in. This Kershaw example is not the same as a stamp with an upside down airplane or a dollar bill with three GW heads. Sure, someone may want it as a collector's piece in the future, but they won't pay a ridiculous sum for it. Maybe they'll pay market price plus a couple of bucks 10 years after the knife is discontinued. Is that worth anything? I guess that's on the guy holding the knife.
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I personally dont see your obviously flawed cf as a fair comparison to a knife that is otherwise functionally perfect yet having a double print error the same thing but i do understand your perspective. Still when some have expressed that they have got a premium or would pay a premium for such a kife i feel it sorta renders opinions to the contrary a moot point. To clarify while i agree it should not bring a premium, at the end of the day worth is only what someone is willing to pay. If even one person comes into the thread and says they would oay more to have that knife or has sold similar mistakes at a premium it sorta quashes any speculation otherwise.
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