Emerson Liner lock problem list

jc

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Seems like every time I go on this forum, I see another post about a production Emerson with a sick lock. This seems to be a common problem.

Anyway, I had two Commanders and both had bad liner locks. The second knife was a replacement sent from Emerson Knives themselves.

I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, but these "hard use" knives with locks that will fail is starting to get rediculous.

Anyone else?

jc
 
YEAH JC!

I agree, it is becoming insane. I have three Emersons on me at the moment, a right hand Commander and its' matching Chrom-Ni CQC-7 and a Black-Ti lefty Commander...

Let's see...I have a 1998 Black-Ti Commander.

A Commander Trainer.

I had 1998 Satin #133...

None of them have a problem.

I have a WAVED CQC-7 on the way from a fellow Suspect and I would hope that one has no problem. I trust the Suspects.

JC, I read a post earlier where you condemned all Liner Locks, you are entitled to your opinion, that does not make it The Gospel, however.

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And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
No real problems here. My year-old CQC-7B's liner has definitely migrated to the right more than a few of my other pieces in that time period, but it's just a hair to the right of center. The lockup is still rock solid even after some heavy cutting and slashing, and lots of openings. (No flicking though...)

However, I would be hesitant to order an Emerson knife over the net unless I could ensure that the dealer inpected it first. I bought my '7 at a local dealer and the other one that he had wobbled like a Pakistani POS!

Also, I am on the fence about getting a Commander, or any waved model for that matter. I mean, how long is that thin liner going to last in the face of repeated, hard wave openings?
 
Mine are holding up rather well actually.
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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mr44:
Also, I am on the fence about getting a Commander, or any waved model for that matter. I mean, how long is that thin liner going to last in the face of repeated, hard wave openings?[/B]</font>

Well, I wave-open my daily carry 2000Commander at least 5-6 times per day, and have no signs of trouble. Everything is still rock solid. I own six Emerson knives right now and my only minor complaint about any of them was a few fading screws on my 2000Commander which Emerson promptly sent me replacements for upon e-mail request.



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Eric
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I still don't like or trust liner locks. I do realize there are some that would probably never fail and I've got a few that pass every test every time. But, why take the chance when there are better lock designs out there?

Design wise (excluding the liner lock), Emerson's are kick ass. Quality wise they are so-so. A hit or miss afair.

The point of me starting this thread isn't to condemn or bash Emerson knives. I just want them to produce a more consistant product and if enough people bitch about bad locks and bad quality then maybe that will happen.

When my second Commander failed, Ernie gave me a call to discuss what happened. He seems to be an upstanding guy and he was saddened by the failure of his product. He cared. But, this happend 13 months ago and I'm still seeing many posts about the locks not working right and the overall quality being sub-standard. Believe it or not, I don't want to hear about someone being injured due to there Emerson's liner lock failing....especially at some critical moment. Emerson's designs are first and foremost fighters. Defensive blades you should be able to trust in a pinch. I just wish these production pieces were the equal of a Microtech..........hopefully this will happen in the near future.

I have a custom production coming my way (whenever they are produced) and I sure hope the quality is better than my MT or Sebenza knives.

jc
 
Well,

I think the Commander in particular could benefit from a return to what is now being referred to as, "The 1998 Formula." Thicker liners and scales. As a matter of fact, they could make it a pure chisel grind instead of the modified chisel grind and it would not hurt my feelings a bit either.

The MT LCC M/A & D/A as well as the Sebenza are indeed built like a Tank. I think there was some QC issues with CR Sebenzas some time ago as well. Nothing and no one is perfect, I know these knives I have are excellent knives and that is all I can vouch for personally.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
JC, I have an few Emerson products and even own a few other knives as well. Included in this is my daily carry Commander. Like Don, mine has been carried religiously since purchase (It's off being customized right now and I feel it's absence constantly). During a common day, I will open it 5 or 6 times using the wave. During a demo, I will open it 15 - 20 times.

Occasionally I help out friends at gun or knife shows. During a show I may demo the wave quit a few times. Needless to say, I would imagine I am well into the tens of thousands of waved openings on this Commander.

Add to this my support side SARK. My second user Commander, the CQC7Bs, ect. and I have a fair amount of use with Emerson knives. I also own liner locks by Elishewitz, Reeve, MY, BM, Ect, ect. Never once have I had one "fail".

Now, not knife is perfect, not is any lock. I have seen a liner lock fail. I snapped a liner locked knife open with a snap of my wrist and the liner ran all the way across the blade and off the other side. The knife still would have cut. I did purposefully close the knife hard on the lock to see what would happen. The liner crumpled and jammed the blade. I might have gotten a boo-boo on my index finger if it had been there, but I keep my fingers out of the way when closing a knife.

The KIQ (Knife in Question) was a cheap, $3 Chinese made folder.

Note: I never really understood the whole "spine whack" thing. If I'm going to use a knife, I'll be "edge whacking". What logical purpose is there for whacking the spine of the knife during usage? Reminds me of the "Throw the Glock out of a Helicopter at 500 ft" test. So F'n what! The pistol survived . . . the guy carrying it was turned to Jello, but the pistol still works.

John
 
This will explain why I'm really really hoping that EKI will go back to the '98 style's thicker liners:

I sent my Commander back to EKI for servicing four months ago because the lock wasn't solid. (Previous post here) They sent me back the knife promptly with a new linerlock and it felt MUCH more solid.

Unfortunately, the replacement lock has degraded significantly in the past several months. Its now even worse than the last knife; LIGHT pressure on the spine of the blade (not even whacking) causes the lock to start migrating towards opening. Followup Spine Whack testing reveals a failure rate (not surprisingly) of 90+%. To add insult to injury, the blade rubs the liners now.

I have not ever disassembled or otherwise monkeyed around with the knife. I did drop some lube into the pivot months ago and that's about it. I also do not do a lot of Wave openings with this thing.

I love the Commander design overall, but I'm starting to get very leery of linerlocks now because of this. I guess I'll send it back to EKI again and see what happens...

Don: Sebbies with QC problem? When?
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It was my understanding that Sebenzas had a QC "wobble," a fluctuation...when they went from Custom to Production.

Personally, I think it is a tough as nails knife. I would love to own one and probably will one day.

I like that full size, plain-Jane Sebenza.

Add to that a Mission MPF , all Ti Folder too.

I like GREAT THINGS!

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
Lets see....Out of the many Emerson production folders I've owned over the years (98 satin Commander, 99 Black T Commander, 2000 Black T Commander, 2-99 CQC-7B's, 99 CQC-7A, 2000 CQC-7B Wave, 97 Raven, 98 Raven, 99 Raven, 99 Specwar, and 2000 I&I Tanto), and none have had lock problems. 3 of them HAVE had problems with the pivot screw loosening, but no liner lock problems. In fact, the only liner lock problem I've EVER had was on an older Microtech SOCOM manual. It failed the "whack" test. The liner only sat on a tiny part of the blade, no matter what I did to move it.

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I've owned 3 Emersons so far and none have had lock problems. The only annoying thing is that the finish on the screws rubs off easily. I'd like to see a thicker liner and a thicker stop pin.
 
I like my Commander and the designs of Emerson Knives overall, except the liner.

While the Wave feature is clever and functional and I like the designs, I really do not buy into the "Hard Use" part. Nothing against EKI but they should have either adopted another marketing slogan or beefed up the folders some.

If anyone here has a SRE 2K you might very well agree with me that an Emerson, with Wave built like the SERE 2K would be a winner.
 
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Even Emerson's loyal crew wants him to change some things...but the natives are certainly restless as of late...aren't they?

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
Hiya Don,

I don't have a lot of knives (like John!)
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, but I do happen to have the ones you mentioned:

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Scary, huh?
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You are so very keeewl.
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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
If you guys have seen my past post's on the
Emerson knives forum you would probbly think
that I love my '98 Commander.
Well,not anymore the Commander recently failed on me causing a deep cut into my finger.I was trying to cut into a box when the blade disengaged, folded under and hit my finger.
All this after a good friend of mine purchased a 2000 Commander that failed right
out of the box {sent back 2x}.
I sent Emerson an E-Mail regarding this about
a week ago and have not heard anything back.
My Emerson '98 Commander now sits on my shelf because I would rather have nothing at
all than something half-ass.Sorry if I sound a little harse think about how it feels to
have the blade of one of these "bite" into
your finger.
 
Was this a liner lock problem or an index finger in the integral notch accidentally disengaging the liner lock problem?

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
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