Emerson Liner lock problem list

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jc:
Try a HALOIII. Plunge lock that doesn't fail once opened. MT has pounded this knife into a 55 gal drum and the lock held. Of course, even if it did fail the knife would retract into the handle. This is a true "hard use" knife that you can depend on in a pinch.

Liner locks are the weakest lock out there. Have one fail on you and you'll agree. They can pass all the test one moment then fail w/o warning. They belong on apple peelers not fighters.......and believe it or not others agree with me on this.

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Man, you live in Florida...your comments on having a knife that was "Commander style..." Mentioning the MT Amphibian...and this prior post I have just quoted...seems as though you are an MT Fan, I am too...but uhmm...you appear to be trolling...

As for liner locks failing without warning or whatever else...WOW...

I have to sell my Crawford WORTAC now!

I have to cancel my order for my Kit Carson Flipper!

Make it stop.

Oh God NO! I have to get rid of my MT LCC!!!

Liner locks are the weakest lock out there huh? I guess Tony Marfione just "slipped up" on the MT/LCC and decided to use the weakest lock he could, huh?

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.



[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 02-14-2001).]
 
jc,

You appear to be a far better person than you are showing us over here. You have a passion...passions often times become overwhelming.

We both share a passion for MT...they are beautiful pieces of Craftsmanship.

Unfortunately, we apparently have an impasse here, not everyone can like everything they encounter.

Say hello to Ty "Ton Sau" Startford when you see him, I nicknamed him that...

Hubud in a gas station parking lot in Atlanta.
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http://www.knifeforums.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000388.html

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
This s**t is getting rediculous.

I don't know what jc's intentions are, but I for one do know that EKI has a QC problem, and I f***ing like his damn knives, OK?!?!?!?!?

I am an Emerson fan, but NOT the kind that would BLINDLY buy his products and defend him to the Nth degree all the while turning a blind eye to some REAL QC problems. It's like the Democrats defending Klinton no matter what he does! Not me. I'm not that kind of fan.

Ernie, I truly like your designs. I think the SOCFK is the best one yet. The ONLY thing that I would change is an axis lock, but that's Brand X's patent. Anyway, your knives are not up the the quality standard that they should be. Not for the $$$ you charge. Open your eyes and see this. Recognize it. Fix it. Pull EKI UP to the next level. Blow away MT, Chris Reeves, et al. by FIXING the inconsistency of your production blades! Listen to your customers.

Just my two cents worth.

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Beretta 92 FS nut and Wave-aholic
"And for this cause God shall send them stong delusion,that they should believe a lie;" 2 Thessalonians 2:11
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove[expose] them." Ephesians 5:11
 
Brig,

No one was firing a shot across your bow and you will see I did say there was apparently a problem.

Take a step back, take a breath, for if you look at what you just posted...this is precisely what "jc" wants...that is why he is trolling in The General Forum for people to come in here and stir up crapola...



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 2Sharp:
?? hm, i just can't help relating this to Rattan, am i lost here???
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Ty does his hubud like Vunak taught him, has a tendency to turn his head and do it "blind" by feel and pressure, which is the way you should do it actually, it could save you in low light situations.

We were doing it dry, empty handed.

He has a mean Ton Sau.
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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
Don,
The guy is a troll, and like all trolls will never go away as long as he gets attention. Just like the pencilneck geeks in elementary school who used to be quiet until the teacher was 2 feet away and knew you couldn't touch them,they are heroes.
To go fishing for recruits in other forums says it all.
If you don't like Emerson's, don't buy them. If you have a problem with their QC, you come here, make a post, and then don't buy anymore. But don't keep posting it over and over and over. What is the purpose?
Here's a clue: Ernie's been in business a long time and will be for a long time to come.He's backordered so far on custom's, he's had to stop taking orders. His production models are almost as popular. So obviously, there are a few who like them.
I personally have had my own negative opinion of certain practices. I posted about it, discussed it, then had to decide whether to either move on or deal with it. You made your point in your first post, what do you think you can accomplish by posting the same thing over and over? What do you think you're gonna accomplish by recruiting others who had QC problems? Think you're gonna drive EKI out of business? Not gonna happen in this lifetime. If you have something personal with Ernie, take it up with him in private. You've made your point, you are not happy with the knives. We get it. Move on.

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I Can Do All Things Through Him Who Strengthens Me
Lifter at work: www.profitness.com/Profiles/profileDaveAbramson
 
If jc were posting this in the Chris Reeve forum, it would seem as though he would be "trolling", but let's face it, Emerson knives will never come close to the consistant quality of the Sebenza, nor does anyone expect them to. However, they should tighten up QC and look into the lock issue, especially for the price they command. I think jc is just trying to bring the QC issues to the attention of Emerson Knives, showing them the mass numbers of others who have seen these problems as well, so they can't simply write it off as an isolated incident. I can see why you die hard Emerson fans are so irritated with it, as would the guys on the Chris Reeve or MT forums had it been their knives in question...but it only makes since to me, to bring people's attention to the matter, and see if their really is a problem or not. If not, it will show in the posts. As far as the personal differences go, take it to email.

-AR
 
jc

In response to your post in the general forum:

I have six Custom Emersons (incuding two neck knives) and am very pleased with them.

I also have a 1998 Commander that has a very good finish and over all quality is very good, well worth the money I paid for it.

I carried a Raven as a duty knife for 2 years. Beside the wearing of the black T, the knife has been great. I must admit, I abused the Raven and used it in some situations that probable should of made it fail. To tell on myself, I probable used the Raven in ways that no knife should be used, but thats another story. It never failed and the lock up is still tight.

I'm currently in the private sector, working for the family construction firm. I work in the office, but still get out in the field enough to need a good knife that gets quite a bit of use.

My current work horse is a 2000 satin finish Commander. My grind lines are even and the knife has a very good lock up. I use it for everything. The blade has no play, and to be honest, I never used the "Spine wack test" (whatever it is), but have used the knife to do (in my opinion) some heavy utility type work. I'm not a knife fighter, I prefer to carry a H and K, but (again in my very humble opinion) I have used the knife hard (so hard, that if it did fail, I would have a problem sending it back to Mr. Emerson because honestly I feel that I probably abused it). I think I've gotten all my $150 worth(that is what I paid for the knife).

jc, I appreciate that you asked for examples of both good and bad from the Emerson Knives. I feel that in this day and age that folks are quick to say the bad and not talk the good. If you would like the "specifics" of how I abused my Emersons, please just email me and I will tell you all (I've already been a little long winded). I imagine that there might be a bunch of Emerson users that have had no problems with their Emersons but aren't posting it, so that is the reason for this long winded post.

Chuck
 
Umm... Mr. Rearic, Sir? Ummm.. forgive this humble intrusion into your Moderator-ness's valuable time...

what the F is hubud?!?!
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And personally, I hope Mike pats you on the back, and starts paying your crazy ass!
 
Moderatorness?

Crazy ass?

You have not heard the Ted Kennedy Rap yet...

"Errah..errah...we must ban thase weapons of mass distraction...(burp) Get out of my cah, my big fot ahss can drive to da haabar"



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
Okay, here's a little honest input from one who's neither a detractor nor supporter of Emerson products. Last weekend I attended the Knife Expo 2001 here in SoCal. Emerson had purchased a table and a majority of their product line was on display.

Now, I'm not currently in the market for an Emerson blade for my own use, but I have been considering purchasing one of the new SARKs for an EMT buddy of mine. Once I arrived at the Emerson table I was assisted by an extremely personable and helpful young gent, and had an opportunity to handle and manipulate several of their folders including the SARK, Commander and others. To be perfectly frank, I clearly remember making a mental note at the time regarding how inconsistent the lock-ups were on the models that I handled. A couple were fine, no doubt, but one had a liner lock that traveled most of the way to the opposite liner, and another would barely engage the blade tang at all (it seriously looked like the sear on a target pistol trigger). Additionally, several had blades that weren't centered in the handle. Obviously these are demonstration models that see a lot of use, but I honestly couldn't imagine how a major knife manufacturer would allow these particular folders to be put on display as examples of their product line. The experience didn't turn me off of Emerson knives, because they otherwise appear to be solid well built folders, but it did make me think that I would only want to buy one in person so I could check out the liner lock engagement myself. I don't mean to be "piling on" so to speak, but this all happened only days ago and does seem pertinent to the discussion at hand.
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Don and your supporters,

Again with the personal attacks. Don't you realize such attacks make you lose credibility? You’re not supposed to instigate confrontation, but MODERATE (as in keep things in line). I have not once called any of you idiots for accepting low quality at a high price. I didn’t take your words about being a "Troll’s Penis" and insert vagina and hinting at it being you. No, because my credibility would be thrown out the window. Such tactics only get accepted and praised by a lowly few.

For my efforts, I get "attacked". How can my wanting answers for the piss poor quality get you and a few others on this forum so upset?

The whole point of my starting various threads on the quality topic was to get Emerson to improve his knives. Something every single Emerson buyer would benefit from. In my other forum posts, I made it clear for supporters of this brand to post as well. I really don't see where I'm attacking Ernest Emerson or any of the people who accept his knives as the epitome of the knife makers art. The excuses given for this low quality in reality makes me sad. No excuse should be given. If you can honestly say his production knives are the highest quality, you need to see what else is available. There is room for improvement. I didn't pick Emerson out of thin air for these posts. From the samples I have owned and handled, these were the worst examples of quality I have seen. Especially in the $100+ price range.

I do want to thank the people who have remained civil and expressed their opinions, both good and bad, regarding their Emersons.

jc


[This message has been edited by jc (edited 02-14-2001).]
 
Ahhh..."The Moderator Card" played once again.

I don't Moderate The Emerson Forum...and I should be allowed a little bit of free speech and free reign to use my humor, etc., outside of the Forums I do Moderate.

Perhaps you should stop with the Moderator trash.

I'm just like you in here.

Let me give you a little hint though...when you go on multiple threads to bitch and whine and you solicit others to do the same, don't be surprised if YOU get BANNED from this Forum for DISRUPTING it.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.

[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 02-15-2001).]
 
So, exactly what behavior should get me banned? Disputing the quality of Emerson knives and soliciting other's opinions? I've requested people to post good thoughts on this product line as well. The free flow of information should be halted because you don’t agree with what I post?

What exactly am I disrupting? If people keep posting about bad quality, then Emerson better look into what’s going on. If posters are happy with his product, then that's all the better and I just had bad luck with his product. If getting people to think is disruptive, then that's what I am (hmm...many historical figures have had the same views on thinking. Can you name a few?)

You are not the Chief Enforcer of the Thought Police, so save your attacks and threats for someone who values your judgment. I don’t see all that many people attacking my posts with insults like you have been doing. NOTHING YOU CAN POST WILL CAUSE ME TO DO ANYTHING TO GET ME BANNED! I haven’t even seen Spark step in on this thread, even though some of your posts have warranted such action.

I’ll continue to post my views on these knives, because that’s what these forums are for. The good and in this case the bad. If that gets me banned, then to hell with this forum. It’s not the only one out there.

Also, when is Emerson or one of his representatives going to give their thoughts on this issue. Even a simple, "We are working on improving our product" would help.

Guess what, I'm inspired to start another thread........Should You Get Banned For Free Thought On This Forum. I'm sure everyone will say "YES", right!

jc


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jc:
You are not the Chief Enforcer of the Thought Police, so save your attacks and threats for someone who values your judgment. I don’t see all that many people attacking my posts with insults like you have been doing. NOTHING YOU CAN POST WILL CAUSE ME TO DO ANYTHING TO GET ME BANNED! I haven’t even seen Spark step in on this thread, even though some of your posts have warranted such action.
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Do you own an Emerson knife currently jc?

Would you own one in the future jc?

You are a rabid Microtech Fan jc, I would think that someone that liked such a high quality item would focus their attention on that...eh?

Instead of disruption.

This forum is about more than Emerson Knives...and we grow weary of hearing the same thing, over and over again.

Why don't you call EKI and bitch?

Too cheap to call?



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
Uh oh... methinks it's getting a bit ugly here...

Rearic - just a little thanks, my friend. I was having a SHI*TY day before I read that Ted Kennedy line of yours. I laughed my ass off! So much for being pissed. Thanks again, Bro. Erah....
 
C,

You're having a crapper too huh? My Wife went to work sick today (told her not to go in), came home early, might have the old appendicitis thing...temp is normal but pain is classic...might be taking a trip in da cah down to da hospital...

As far as this Thread is concerned? It's a joke and I treated it as such.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
Dude - I hope she's OK. I know you know, but get her there before it bursts! If it IS appendicitis...

I have not had the pleasure of THAT particular pain, but I had this kidney stone once. You want to talk PAIN? Brother, I read that book backwards, forwards upside down and inside out. Thought I was going to DIE. If I had the strength to get to my knife, I would have cut it off, and damn the consequences. Luckily, common sense broke through the red haze, and I suffered (understatement of the f-ing CENTURY) in not-so silence.
 
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