Emerson Sheepdog Spearpoint--HUGE Disappointment

shinyedges said:
Thanks joe, 5 ounce frame lock with a 3.9 inch blade. Opens bottles like a champ as well as wave. Just about perfect for me.

ETA, the combination of flipper wave is awesome, especially with the lock up on the zt. Had this thing for 6 or more months (I can't remember) and the lock up is da shizznit.
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Wait a second!! Not only does it Wave, it's a bottle opener also???
You get double the 'cool' points now!!
Love it!!
Joe
 
evilgreg said:
So you're calling my opinion garbage and then saying I'm disrespectful to others than have a different opinion? Lolwut?

As far as injecting myself into a conversation, it's a forum--isn't conversing what it's about? I cracked my dictionary and the first definition for the word forum reads as follows: "a public meeting or assembly for open discussion". OP started a thread to talk about his new Emerson and its disappointing lock stick. In the subsequent discussion some Emerson fans jumped to the brand's defense and others, like myself, who've had bad experiences with Emerson, chimed in as well. Taken as a whole, it's a conversation. A marketplace of ideas and thoughts of sorts.

If we're only ever allowed to agree with one another, what is the point of having a conversation at all? Wouldn't that forum look something like this: "I like turnips. Me too. Yeah, well, me three. Are we done here?"
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I despise turnips........does that mean I can no longer be a member here??
 
evilgreg said:
So you're calling my opinion garbage and then saying I'm disrespectful to others than have a different opinion? Lolwut?

As far as injecting myself into a conversation, it's a forum--isn't conversing what it's about? I cracked my dictionary and the first definition for the word forum reads as follows: "a public meeting or assembly for open discussion". OP started a thread to talk about his new Emerson and its disappointing lock stick. In the subsequent discussion some Emerson fans jumped to the brand's defense and others, like myself, who've had bad experiences with Emerson, chimed in as well. Taken as a whole, it's a conversation. A marketplace of ideas and thoughts of sorts.

If we're only ever allowed to agree with one another, what is the point of having a conversation at all? Wouldn't that forum look something like this: "I like turnips. Me too. Yeah, well, me three. Are we done here?"
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It has nothing to do with agreement and everything to do with a level of respect. Go back and reread your comments, expecially about mudslinging fans as Elite operators, or on Commando missions.

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Yo Mama said:
mudslinging fans as Elite operators, or on Commando missions.
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Why would you take that as an insult? I have the utmost respect for our nation's special operations forces. Ranger battalion guys, force recon guys, SF guys, seal guys, delta guys, and Internet forum Emerson elite operators, I love all of them. ;)
 
Honestly I have not had much luck using the waves on the actual Emersons as a bottle opener. They don't seem long enough to get under that lip of the cap. The wave on my Spyderco waved Endura is an excellent bottle opener though. Then you have knives like the DPX H.E.S.T folder which made its wave into an actual bottle opener to get around the patent.
 
palonej said:
I despise turnips........does that mean I can no longer be a member here??
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Sorry, you're out. We are no longer allowing any wrongthink! Not liking turnips is disrespectful to all turnip-lovers everywhere. May Ernie Turnipson himself strike you down should you ever speak ill of the turnip again! ;)
 
G. Scott H. said:
That pic of the lock up is concerning. How far over does it go after you snug up the pivot?
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Right now with the pivot tight the detent still touches the opposite liner.
It had been solid like that but is starting to develop some play.
I've chucked it in the drawer and really need to email emerson. Being down under sending stuff back gets $$ but needs to be done.
Great knife otherwise.
 
Lapedog said:
Honestly I have not had much luck using the waves on the actual Emersons as a bottle opener. They don't seem long enough to get under that lip of the cap. The wave on my Spyderco waved Endura is an excellent bottle opener though. Then you have knives like the DPX H.E.S.T folder which made its wave into an actual bottle opener to get around the patent.
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Having used mine to do the same, I can also say that the wave's edges are too round and don't grip caps well.

I own a SOCFK, CQC11, CQC7A, CQC8, CQC15 and Super Karambit. I honestly think that they aren't bad knives, but they are easily outclassed in materials and build quality in their price range. The designs are great and have potential, but it ends there.
 
evilgreg said:
Sorry, you're out. We are no longer allowing any wrongthink! Not liking turnips is disrespectful to all turnip-lovers everywhere. May Ernie Turnipson himself strike you down should you ever speak ill of the turnip again! ;)
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Oh well.......it was nice while it lasted!!!
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Danke........my vote goes to Strider!!! I am DEFINITELY out then!!!
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My Sheepdog developed lock stick and after fighting through it for a few days it was perfect there after.

Most of the new newer Emersons I have had have been similar.
 
matt009au said:
Right now with the pivot tight the detent still touches the opposite liner.
It had been solid like that but is starting to develop some play.
I've chucked it in the drawer and really need to email emerson. Being down under sending stuff back gets $$ but needs to be done.
Great knife otherwise.
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Bummer. :(
 
I wanted a Super CQC-8 so badly, it hurt. Having conducted quite a bit of research as to the knife, as well as in connection with the company, in general, I thought I knew what to expect, for the most part. Sadly, it managed to not even meet my low expectations as to several aspects of the knife, and proved to be a frustrating pain in the ass that ultimately wasn't cool or useful enough to justify the $280.00 purchase price, from the online mega seller, with whom I had a longstanding track record of great purchases and amazing outcomes.

The highly reputable online seller called me in advance of shipping and informed me he personally inspected it and it was one of the best examples that ever passed through his hands. In fact, I was so excited, I elected to pay close to an extra $40.00, to have it overnighted, instead of the ordinary shipment method. It arrived the next morning and I nearly severed an artery cutting open the box with unbridled enthusiasm. Finally, I held it in my hand, with the 4.3 inch cavalry officer shaped blade gleaming in the light and ergos so perfect, I would consider having it used in lieu of a prosthetic hand if I were ever to accidentally lose a hand. Lol. Yeah. I was happy. Then it all went down hill, fast.

A quick, cursory inspection of its undesirable (but expected) chisel grind yielded disturbing results. Again, not because of the grind. Rather, the top 1/4 of the edge leading to the tip contained an abundance of small chips and burrs. Ok. I am a proficient sharpener and thought, hmmm, although I just spent $320.00 (inclusive of overnight delivery, like a mad, impetuous fool), I would not allow this to undermine my jubilation.

Next, after opening and closing it a few times, I noticed the pivot was extremely tight and assumed it had been tightened in advance of shipping. The lockup was at about 50%, even at this early juncture of the mechanism's lifespan, but this did not concern me, as I would soon have a bigger fish to fry. I loosened the pivot, not by very much, and watched the centered blade travel toward and come within a hair of the liner. When opening the blade for the first time after doing so, to test the action, it scraped the liner. Grrrrr. OK. Calm down. I get it. Some fine tuning and tinkering would be required. In fact, detailed instructions regarding blade centering, were readily available on the Emerson website and from other sources. The results of the next 72 hours, were stripped and near stripped screws, blade scratches, more burrs and chipping from banging the blade around in a doomed to fail effort to center the damn thing, as well as a lockup that jumped from 50% to 75%. Yet, centering, or a reasonable distance from the liner at least, was not achieved.

Perhaps if I spent a couple more days tinkering and adjusting various components, centering and an earlier lock up may have been accomplished. Notice I didn't mention blade play? Because I had decided to swap it out for a ZT 0804 irrespective of the fact that the blade play, in addition to most other aspects of the knife, was abysmal.

I can see the allure for someone with a lot of time on their hands and who considers $280.00 chump change. But that ain't me. Next.

Admittedly, if I had been sitting on a pile of discretionary cash at the time and not eyeballing other highly desirable knives in its price range not requiring extensive measures to set up properly, I would have likely kept it and worked on it like a muscle car, continually adding parts (for starters, new screws, which are by no means a freebee from Emerson, like they are from a company such as Benchmade). The thick titanium frame lock conversions I have seen on youtube and elsewhere look incredible. Perhaps, one fine day.....
 
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Yo Mama said:
Clearly you just want open exchange of ideas and conversation.

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Those people ARE part of who Emerson markets to whether you choose to believe it or not. Same as a bunch of other companies.
 
OilMan said:
Those people ARE part of who Emerson markets to whether you choose to believe it or not. Same as a bunch of other companies.
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Which people? I'm lost now, I'm not even sure what we're talking about.
 
:-) The Internet forum elite operators. At best I'm low speed, high drag.. :-(
 
OilMan said:
:-) The Internet forum elite operators. At best I'm low speed, high drag.. :-(
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Then you just need to drill more speed holes in your handle, then you can be a high speed, low drag, slick-as-snot-on-a-doorknob elite keyboard warrior like me. ;)
 
Charles_Martel said:
I wanted a Super CQC-8 so badly, it hurt. Having conducted quite a bit of research as to the knife, as well as in connection with the company, in general, I thought I knew what to expect, for the most part. Sadly, it managed to not even meet my low expectations as to several aspects of the knife, and proved to be a frustrating pain in the ass that ultimately wasn't cool or useful enough to justify the $280.00 purchase price, from the online mega seller, with whom I had a longstanding track record of great purchases and amazing outcomes.

The highly reputable online seller called me in advance of shipping and informed me he personally inspected it and it was one of the best examples that ever passed through his hands. In fact, I was so excited, I elected to pay close to an extra $40.00, to have it overnighted, instead of the ordinary shipment method. It arrived the next morning and I nearly severed an artery cutting open the box with unbridled enthusiasm. Finally, I held it in my hand, with the 4.3 inch cavalry officer shaped blade gleaming in the light and ergos so perfect, I would consider having it used in lieu of a prosthetic hand if I were ever to accidentally lose a hand. Lol. Yeah. I was happy. Then it all went down hill, fast.

A quick, cursory inspection of its undesirable (but expected) chisel grind yielded disturbing results. Again, not because of the grind. Rather, the top 1/4 of the edge leading to the tip contained an abundance of small chips and burrs. Ok. I am a proficient sharpener and thought, hmmm, although I just spent $320.00 (inclusive of overnight delivery, like a mad, impetuous fool), I would not allow this to undermine my jubilation.

Next, after opening and closing it a few times, I noticed the pivot was extremely tight and assumed it had been tightened in advance of shipping. The lockup was at about 50%, even at this early juncture of the mechanism's lifespan, but this did not concern me, as I would soon have a bigger fish to fry. I loosened the pivot, not by very much, and watched the centered blade travel toward and come within a hair of the liner. When opening the blade for the first time after doing so, to test the action, it scraped the liner. Grrrrr. OK. Calm down. I get it. Some fine tuning and tinkering would be required. In fact, detailed instructions regarding blade centering, were readily available on the Emerson website and from other sources. The results of the next 72 hours, were stripped and near stripped screws, blade scratches, more burrs and chipping from banging the blade around in a doomed to fail effort to center the damn thing, as well as a lockup that jumped from 50% to 75%. Yet, centering, or a reasonable distance from the liner at least, was not achieved.

Perhaps if I spent a couple more days tinkering and adjusting various components, centering and an earlier lock up may have been accomplished. Notice I didn't mention blade play? Because I had decided to swap it out for a ZT 0804 irrespective of the fact that the blade play, in addition to most other aspects of the knife, was abysmal.

I can see the allure for someone with a lot of time on their hands and who considers $280.00 chump change. But that ain't me. Next.

Admittedly, if I had been sitting on a pile of discretionary cash at the time and not eyeballing other highly desirable knives in its price range not requiring extensive measures to set up properly, I would have likely kept it and worked on it like a muscle car, continually adding parts (for starters, new screws, which are by no means a freebee from Emerson, like they are from a company such as Benchmade). The thick titanium frame lock conversions I have seen on youtube and elsewhere look incredible. Perhaps, one fine day.....
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Attached is a pic of the blade of the CQC 8 I referenced earlier in this thread. I did not call anybody about it; I didn't pay for extra shipping; I just ordered it. In fact, it was this grind on this blade that prompted me to order the Super Commander. I don't know what to say; I can't fathom that a dealer would tell you that a chipped blade is the "best" he's seen.

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