Emerson update unboxing

I don't understand all the jabbing at Mohunter. Stop calling people idiots in this ridiculous passive aggressive way. He posted the kids like he said he would. (My internet is slow here-ill watch them later) and from what he posted he seems much happier than before, even if its not 110%- a percentage that doesn't exist BTW. Why the freaking drama? I, for one, am happy that this snafu seems to have turned into a positive.
 
Akapennypincher said:
Mr. MOhunter92 this is a critique, not criticism of your efforts to tell your story in this post, with you videos. You spent a lot of time & effort telling your story with those U-tubes.

First off to give you the benefit of the doubt, I made the assumption you were only going to review what was in the box returned to you from EMI containing two knives. An end of story Video. But instead of keeping it simple, and review what was in the box.

You took the liberty to post four U-tube rehashing the entire story of your problem, name calling, product rehashing, etc. again.

That story had already been posted on Blade Forum, and could have just been mention that fact. So the viewer of your U-tubes if curious could have found your post on Blade Forum.

BTW I have spoken to employee Ernesto at Emerson as I had a few product questions. I found Ernesto at Emerson on the phone respectful, knowledgeable, and he tried & did answered my question I had about EMI knives.

Last thing Ernesto said to me was if I had more questions, please call back and talk to him if he can help in any way.

If I had a company I would like to have Ernesto on my staff, and he does a great job for his employee EMI.

IMHO your U-tube remind me of the movie, Open Water that took way too long to see the stranded dive drowned die at the end. That movies story was told in the trailer, the movie bored, & confused me, and it was not necessary to see the movie. The trailer was the movie.

BTW ask yourself how many companies would the head man get personally involved in your problem, and post on a public forum for the world to see what was his take was on your problem. How many companies would the head man personally touch the product with problems, try to correct the problem personally, and help his customer. IMHO not many.

What I think I gather after digesting your four U-tubes, yes I watch all four in their entirity is you are still not 110% happy with all your Emerson Knives.

If my assumption wrong please return to the KISS Principal, and summaries your happiness, or unhappiness in a few word so those of us who have been to Rio Linda, CA and influence by the resident lack of intelligence can figure out if you are happy, or no happy at stories end with all four of your Emerson Knives.
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IMHO your opinions don't come across as being very humble.
 
I am not putting him down. Just suggested he could be happier with a fixed blade. In the video he demonstrated a click and a lock failure. I'm just not sure how you could replicate that failure cutting an object.
 
Typical aggressive responses from OP peppered with attitude... If you disagree with him your opinion isn't valid. This is the third thread from this individual using the same tone. No surprises. It's no wonder he has problems with people.

Based on the commentary given by the OP I think the only production brand capable of making him truly happy would be CRK- but I don't know if I'd bet on it.
 
celtic11 said:
IMHO your opinions don't come across as being very humble.
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My opinion is just that my opinion. Something living in the USA allows us to have. Don’t like the job a president or some other elected official is doing, you are allowed to say so without fear some goon squad will show up at your door and put you in prison without a trail.

When I had my little business I use to strive to make my clients 110% happy with 110% effort. Meaning that it was important to me that each time a client used me for service, I gave them my very best effort.

I was involved in a very competitive business, and knew from day one the only way to stand out was to be better than my competition. Thus my shooting for 110% number.

Like I said I was expecting a simple review of the two knives from MOhunter92 received back from Emerson. Not the four video rehashing the entire incident involving MOhunter92’s experience.

Last as I said I did watch all four videos, each & ever moment, and in the end asked myself is MOhunter92 happy, or unhappy. Honestly I don’t know.
 
Akapennypincher said:
My opinion is just that my opinion. Something living in the USA allows us to have. Don’t like the job a president or some other elected official is doing, you are allowed to say so without fear some goon squad will show up at your door and put you in prison without a trail.

When I had my little business I use to strive to make my clients 110% happy with 110% effort. Meaning that it was important to me that each time a client used me for service, I gave them my very best effort.

I was involved in a very competitive business, and knew from day one the only way to stand out was to be better than my competition. Thus my shooting for 110% number.

Like I said I was expecting a simple review of the two knives from MOhunter92 received back from Emerson. Not the four video rehashing the entire incident involving MOhunter92’s experience.

Last as I said I did watch all four videos, each & ever moment, and in the end asked myself is MOhunter92 happy, or unhappy. Honestly I don’t know.
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Didn't know only the US allowed opinions. Guess all other 1st world European and Asian Nations will have you dragged out and shot if you form an opinion!
 
Ok, let's not go into nonsensical pseudo-political rants that have no bearing on the topic. 'Murica and all that.
 
Glad that things worked out for you MO. That surely is a nice collection you've got there!
 
Glad it seems to have been resolved to your satisfaction. For what it's worth, I own a number of linerlock knives that do not flex or click even with fairly heavy pressure on the spine of the blade.
 
Akapennypincher said:
...in the end asked myself is MOhunter92 happy, or unhappy. Honestly I don’t know.
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I'm quoting Apincher because I was thinking the same in the beginning..

To be honest, I was overwhelmed when I saw 4 videos. I fast forward video #1 because I saw no knife and just all talk. I fast forward all vids to find the "meat"

My take (MY opinion)

video 2: "no other bells or whistles..." what were you expecting? a gift card?

"He didn't replace the liner": why should he? because of failure? what were you doing with the knife? a folding knife is used to cut with downward force, not to use it as a prying tool. All the force is on the stop pin and IF used correctly the only way to make it fail is if the stop pin breaks in half. Why are you wiggling the blade? what do you need to do cutting wise that involves wiggling the knife? I understand that you would have more peace of mind if it would not unlock but you have to understand something: You need to open/close it a few times so the blade tang matches the liner lock with a little bit of wear (its called break in) and the interface is more secure. That is why I think you were not able to replicate again FWIW.

Video #3:
Lock bar flexing on Road House: this has ben covered. I didn't "feel" comfortable with my CQC11 and that is why I sold it, even though it is one of the best designs but the very long blade would give too much leverage and I didn't want to risk my fingers if SHTF and I have to use it for something IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR (key wording, its a folding knife after all)

CQC10: emerson doesn't have the tolerance of Chris Reeves; that is why Emerson's don't cost 400$ and also Emerson doesn't do the volume of sales as other knife makers (i.e. Spyderco)
"just like I told him, this isn't right. The liner needs replacement"... I thng that again you don't understand what you are buying when buying Emerson knives

The issue as I see it is this: You love the ergos and design of the Emerson knives and expect them to be on par of other companies that A) have more expensive machinery and charge more and/or sell more volume and hive higher tolerances. Unfortunately this is not the Emerson philosophy. Its philosophy is to build a rough/tough knife for people that doesn't care about minimalistic issues. That is the market he is selling to and he is doing just fine with his business model. I would pay 400$+ for an Emerson knife with CRK tolerances but they don't exist unless you want to send them to someone to make them to your liking.

Where do I see the problem? you expect something different than what is offered. I think you are the perfect case of a guy not doing research before buying. If you know what to expect you will not be disappointed IMO.

If you want a knife that when applying pressure sideways doesn't move I would recommend other brands. PM me if you want the names but they cost more, way more.

I understand were you are coming from but what you want and think should be, its not necessarily what you are buying (or what they are offering here).

Just my .02c
 
Why must people always claim it's ok if the lock disengages because the pressure should be against the knife and stop pin? That's just ignorant and not covering all bases IMO. Cars should not have functioning seatbelts because oh you know they aren't needed when you drive properly.
 
Seilu said:
Why must people always claim it's ok if the lock disengages because the pressure should be against the knife and stop pin? That's just ignorant and not covering all bases IMO. Cars should not have functioning seatbelts because oh you know they aren't needed when you drive properly.
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Because seatbelts are designed as a dedicated safety device against the inevitable mistakes of the humans driving vehicles.
The lock on a knife was designed to hold the blade open for usage and was never meant as a safety device. The safety device on a folding knife is the user, his knowledge and proper judgement. Not all users come equipped with these things. The lock on a folding knife was never intended to "Idiot Proof" a knife against a users lack of knowledge or practice of poor judgement.

Awhile back we had notable user complaining of lock failure on a relatively high end knife he was using to dispatch a feral hog.
He claimed poor design and poor manufacture. As it turns out, he had stabbed the beast and was using a twisting motion when the lock failed.
By his own admission it was deduced that he most likely tripped the lock during usage, causing the blade to close on his fingers and should have used better judgement than to use a folding knife in that manner and would have been better served by a fixed blade.
 
Karda said:
Because seatbelts are designed as a dedicated safety device against the inevitable mistakes of the humans driving vehicles.
The lock on a knife was designed to hold the blade open for usage and was never meant as a safety device. The safety device on a folding knife is the user, his knowledge and proper judgement. Not all users come equipped with these things. The lock on a folding knife was never intended to "Idiot Proof" a knife against a users lack of knowledge or practice of poor judgement.

Awhile back we had notable user complaining of lock failure on a relatively high end knife he was using to dispatch a feral hog.
He claimed poor design and poor manufacture. As it turns out, he had stabbed the beast and was using a twisting motion when the lock failed.
By his own admission it was deduced that he most likely tripped the lock during usage, causing the blade to close on his fingers and should have used better judgement than to use a folding knife in that manner and would have been better served by a fixed blade.
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I'm sorry, but I find the idea that a lock is not a safety feature to be absolutely absurd. A simple peasant knife will stay open just fine with friction, locks were historically added specifically as a safety feature. Originally that was their one and only selling point, as the very first locks on knives often made it more difficult to open and close the knife. Furthermore, we're more specifically discussing a company that advertises itself as selling "The Number One Hard Use Knives in the World." Which I would think, by definition, would preclude lock failure with simple hand pressure on the spine.

As for never putting pressure on the spine of a knife, I wonder of the gentleman who say that have ever notched or whittled wood with their knives? When doing so, it's common practice to put significant pressure on the spine of the blade, usually with your thumb or thumbs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect a folding knife lock to withstand my full body weight on the mechanism (though some locks will), nor do I view it as a foolproof excuse to use a folder as a fixed blade, but every knife user should expect the lock to function as a lock, not a glorified detent or back spring.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I'm sorry, but I find the idea that a lock is not a safety feature to be absolutely absurd. A simple peasant knife will stay open just fine with friction, locks were historically added specifically as a safety feature. Originally that was their one and only selling point, as the very first locks on knives often made it more difficult to open and close the knife. Furthermore, we're more specifically discussing a company that advertises itself as selling "The Number One Hard Use Knives in the World." Which I would think, by definition, would preclude lock failure with simple hand pressure on the spine.

As for never putting pressure on the spine of a knife, I wonder of the gentleman who say that have ever notched or whittled wood with their knives? When doing so, it's common practice to put significant pressure on the spine of the blade, usually with your thumb or thumbs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect a folding knife lock to withstand my full body weight on the mechanism (though some locks will), nor do I view it as a foolproof excuse to use a folder as a fixed blade, but every knife user should expect the lock to function as a lock, not a glorified detent or back spring.
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What he said.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I'm sorry, but I find the idea that a lock is not a safety feature to be absolutely absurd. A simple peasant knife will stay open just fine with friction, locks were historically added specifically as a safety feature. Originally that was their one and only selling point, as the very first locks on knives often made it more difficult to open and close the knife. Furthermore, we're more specifically discussing a company that advertises itself as selling "The Number One Hard Use Knives in the World." Which I would think, by definition, would preclude lock failure with simple hand pressure on the spine.

As for never putting pressure on the spine of a knife, I wonder of the gentleman who say that have ever notched or whittled wood with their knives? When doing so, it's common practice to put significant pressure on the spine of the blade, usually with your thumb or thumbs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect a folding knife lock to withstand my full body weight on the mechanism (though some locks will), nor do I view it as a foolproof excuse to use a folder as a fixed blade, but every knife user should expect the lock to function as a lock, not a glorified detent or back spring.
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If a person believes every marketing statement to the point of disregarding proper personal safety, it is not the manufacturers fault, nor is it indicative of poor design or manufacture. It is a flaw is that persons thinking and judgement.
Just how "safe" do you expect two ramped and mated pieces of metal to Be? As I said, the folding lock mechanism wasn't designed to make a knife "idiot proof" in that it will keep a knife in the open position no matter what stupid things a user does with them. It was never designed as a failsafe against poor judgement, improper thinking or lack of knowledge.
 
Karda said:
If a person believes every marketing statement to the point of disregarding proper personal safety, it is not the manufacturers fault, nor is it indicative of poor design or manufacture. It is a flaw is that persons thinking and judgement.
Just how "safe" do you expect two ramped and mated pieces of metal to Be? As I said, the folding lock mechanism wasn't designed to make a knife "idiot proof" in that it will keep a knife in the open position no matter what stupid things a user does with them. It was never designed as a failsafe against poor judgement, improper thinking or lack of knowledge.
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I wholeheartedly agree that it is NOT foolproof, nor should you allow a lock to encourage unsafe behavior. There are certainly lock failures that cannot be blamed on the manufacturer, but there are also those that most certainly can. If a lock can be made to fail by simple hand pressure on the spine without any prior abuse it is either poorly designed or poorly manufactured.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I wholeheartedly agree that it is NOT foolproof, nor should you allow a lock to encourage unsafe behavior. There are certainly lock failures that cannot be blamed on the manufacturer, but there are also those that most certainly can. If a lock can be made to fail by simple hand pressure on the spine without any prior abuse it is either poorly designed or poorly manufactured.
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Or poorly maintained or used improperly.......
Not all failure can be attributable to poor design or manufacture.
In the end it is the users responsibility to educate themselves and use the knife in a safe manner no matter what condition the locking mechanism is in.
 
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