Emerson update unboxing

Karda said:
Because seatbelts are designed as a dedicated safety device against the inevitable mistakes of the humans driving vehicles.
The lock on a knife was designed to hold the blade open for usage and was never meant as a safety device. The safety device on a folding knife is the user, his knowledge and proper judgement. Not all users come equipped with these things. The lock on a folding knife was never intended to "Idiot Proof" a knife against a users lack of knowledge or practice of poor judgement.
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Ditto
 
For the record, safety belts have an intended use and if they aren't used properly, they cam easily bite the end-user. Furthermore, a safety belt doesn't guarantee your life if you willy-nilly drive 80mph into a brick wall.
 
It's a competitive market that offers many locking folders, including linerlocks, that I can't force closed or provoke movement in the lock interface (I don't spinewhack though).

That doesn't mean that I rely on the locking mechanism. But if I get one that I can provoke movement in the lock with moderate force, I send it back to the dealer and get another knife. Simply because there are enough knives on the market that are better.

I find it mildly amusing when manufacturers of locking folders that market their products with endless "hard use" or even self defense allusions, or their fans, suddenly start proclaiming that the only proper use of their knives consists of applying light force to the cutting edge. We might as well only carry Vic classics from now on.
 
I don't think anyone said anything about applying "light force to the cutting edge." Just because it is marketed as hard use, that doesn't give you the checkered flag to abuse the knife then cry when the lock fails due to the abuse. As I stated, I have dozens of high end to midrange folders. The only knives I own that I can't force some lock flex on are my Striders and my two Militaries. My PM2, Griptilian, and 0560 all have irreconcilable vertical play. My Emersons have minor lock flex if I muscle down on them.
 
Murdamook said:
I don't think anyone said anything about applying "light force to the cutting edge." Just because it is marketed as hard use, that doesn't give you the checkered flag to abuse the knife then cry when the lock fails due to the abuse. As I stated, I have dozens of high end to midrange folders. The only knives I own that I can't force some lock flex on are my Striders and my two Militaries. My PM2, Griptilian, and 0560 all have irreconcilable vertical play. My Emersons have minor lock flex if I muscle down on them.
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And Hinderer and CRK :D
 
Karda said:
Because seatbelts are designed as a dedicated safety device against the inevitable mistakes of the humans driving vehicles.
The lock on a knife was designed to hold the blade open for usage and was never meant as a safety device. The safety device on a folding knife is the user, his knowledge and proper judgement. Not all users come equipped with these things. The lock on a folding knife was never intended to "Idiot Proof" a knife against a users lack of knowledge or practice of poor judgement.

Awhile back we had notable user complaining of lock failure on a relatively high end knife he was using to dispatch a feral hog.
He claimed poor design and poor manufacture. As it turns out, he had stabbed the beast and was using a twisting motion when the lock failed.
By his own admission it was deduced that he most likely tripped the lock during usage, causing the blade to close on his fingers and should have used better judgement than to use a folding knife in that manner and would have been better served by a fixed blade.
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Emerson knives are marketed as tactical, defensive and hard use knives.


If I buy one and have to slash and stab my way out of something the lock should not fail..

or at least not fail by just pushing down on the top of the spine with ones palm..that will obviously not work well in any situation and I would encourage anyone with a Emerson (or any other tactical use knife ) to push down on the blade with the palm (wearing gloves for protection) to test their knife before depending on it with your life.. that is just common sense and much like running several rounds through an automatic to insure it does not jam or fail.
 
colubrid said:
Emerson knives are marketed as tactical, defensive and hard use knives.


If I buy one and have to slash and stab my way out of something the lock should not fail..

or at least not fail by just pushing down on the top of the spine with ones palm..that will obviously not work well in any situation and I would encourage anyone with a Emerson (or any other tactical use knife ) to push down on the blade with the palm (wearing gloves for protection) to test their knife before depending on it with your life.. that is just common sense and much like running several rounds through an automatic to insure it does not jam or fail.
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Where in that marketing does it say that the mechanism is a failsafe?
No matter how many rounds a person puts thru any automatic, there can still be failures. The user is still responsible for choosing good ammo and for using the rifle in a safe manner. No marketing ploy or statement absolves the end user of his own responsibilities for safety and good judgement concerning usage and/or maintenance.
 
Karda said:
Where in that marketing does it say that the mechanism is a failsafe?
No matter how many rounds a person puts thru any automatic, there can still be failures. The user is still responsible for choosing good ammo and for using the rifle in a safe manner. No marketing ploy or statement absolves the end user of his own responsibilities for safety and good judgement concerning usage and/or maintenance.
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Absolutely agreed. There is no substitute for common sense and safety is the number one responsibility of the end user. However, we can and should hold manufacturers responsible for mechanical failure that occurs under reasonable circumstances. There are too many knives on the market that will not fail under said circumstances to accept one that does.
 
Karda said:
Where in that marketing does it say that the mechanism is a failsafe?
No matter how many rounds a person puts thru any automatic, there can still be failures. The user is still responsible for choosing good ammo and for using the rifle in a safe manner. No marketing ploy or statement absolves the end user of his own responsibilities for safety and good judgement concerning usage and/or maintenance.
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I was not referring to safety.. just to lock failure. I never mentioned the word "failsafe"
 
Murdamook said:
Now you're reaching. He used the word failsafe; you just simply described it.
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actually it is you guys that are reaching.

This is what I wrote if you read my post:


I would encourage anyone with a Emerson (or any other tactical use knife ) to push down on the blade with the palm (wearing gloves for protection) to test their knife before depending on it with your life.. that is just common sense and much like running several rounds through an automatic to insure it does not jam or fail.
 
I would think the large percentage of Emerson are bought by people who have choices what knife to buy, as a very small percentage are force to use an Emerson because the boss say this is the knife you have to use.

Also Emerson’s are used, and carried daily to be used for the purpose intended when manufactures, by people with jobs that take them on adventures in the means street of the USA, and some crappie place like Afghanistan in their daily work.

Groups like the Navy’s Elite Seal come to Emerson, and ask for a specific knife to do a special job. Mr. Emerson knife are requested why. Why did not the Seals go to Buck, or Case?

Go to some gun or knife show and listen to the Merchants BS talking lies about what the SEALS. Marines, Rangers, and other Troops who go in harms way use for their KNIFE. THE BS LINES TO MAKE A SALE, go like this ---------, is the same Knife issued to Marine Recon, etc.

Truth is many carry Emerson’s, that they pay for out of their own pockets. Like my nephew did who is a 68Wiskey who made in home from Afghanistan in one piece, as he wanted something he could his life when the Knife need to work.
 
The lock flex wouldn't be a concern if it weren't for the fact that there are many knives in the same price range and below that do not suffer from that problem.
 
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