Engraving:what seems to be the trend?

I think engraving can add great beauty and really enhance a knife , but when it overpowers it and overshadows the knife is tends to be engraving with a knife attached , instead of a combination of the two.

There is a lot of stuff some makers are referring to as engraving , when in reality it is not. Such as the recently popular carving of titanium folders. Which in most cases , to me anyways , seems to not really accentuate the knife. In some cases it detracts from what was a nice looking knife. Well done engraving ( or carving ) done to highlight the flow of the knife , or enhance the overall appearance , seem to go well together.

Great engraving on a mediocre knife isnt any better looked than mediocre engraving on a great knife. Achieving the balance seems to be the trick.

Then you have the CNC engraving/carving , which cant even hold a candle to any of the works of art shown in this thread.
 
How about an engraving horror story:

About 1991 I decided to buy my first custom folder. It turned out to be a beautiful Stag Model 19 by Bill Pease. I wanted oak leaves and acorns on it but needed to wait a bit. Finally a pretty well known maker suggested a young lady he knew that was doing some work for him. I sent her the knife and waited and waited...finally I'm told the knife is ready... but I owe her an extra $100.00 for the work. No problem money sent and the knife is mailed back to Bill to be "tuned".

Phone call from Bill: "Win, what the heck is supposed to be on this knife. It's terrible!" I learned an important lesson "Do your homework!" Incredibly, I met a fellow that fell in love with the knife and it actually sold for a profit. I don't think she's ever engraved another knife. Thank goodness.

I now use engravers recommended by friends and makers I know better. My knives will never again be a training ground.

Win

Here's something simple, no gold and it works great. Bruce Christensen, engraver:

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DDD,


the Johnson knife is spectacular.
First time I see something like this one.



Alain
 
Ouch on this comment. Jon's work is some of the best. Maybe he has put out a piece or two that stuck in your mind, but, having photographed many tens of his works, I have to overall assess him VERY positively. Specifically on work not involving living beings.

When it comes to faces and animals that is an area which must be proceeded with caution. I have seen some of the very best diminish their portfolio when straying into this area. Jon did NOT come to mind.

Coop

Again this is a matter of taste, but I think it illustrates the point. BTW Coop, I own at least 5 Robyn engraved knives. The first one is a Robyn/Kious knife that to my eye is "disproprotionate and distorted." Part of that is Jon's style, but in this case, to me it's unappealing.

Next, is one of the deceased greats of engraving, Martin Butler, on a classic Lake tail lock with pearl. To me, this is what it's all about. A theme that captures the materials and the craftsmanship. Entitled "Heaven's Children" the pearl sets off a cloudlike motif of true artistry.

Finally, a Dan Wilkerson engraved Busfield. To my eye, this is incredibly disturbing and makes the knife a "no buy...at ANY price" even though the maker and engraver are both excellent in their own rights. And...yes I do own a Wilkerson engraved knife, but at the time he engraved it, he had a much more positive outlook on life than when he did the Busfield.
 

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yikes! That chick is ugly!
One rule to follow: If you're going to engrave knives with female nudes, make sure they're hot. Even if the image is supposed to be grotesque, with demons and shit. Even then they should be hot.
No bangs either. Wild hair, man!
:D
 
yikes! That chick is ugly!
One rule to follow: If you're going to engrave knives with female nudes, make sure they're hot. Even if the image is supposed to be grotesque, with demons and shit. Even then they should be hot.
No bangs either. Wild hair, man!
:D

I was so freaked out about the demons, I didn't even notice the "nude". Actually, I have a fairly well done nude by Wilkerson.
 
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the demons are ok...in a Lavey sorta way! Not my bag, but cute nonetheless.
 
Luckily there are lots of different tastes out there. It makes for more engravers to practice their art, and for the most part, yeah, it's an art - at least in the design of the piece.

For my part, the last thing I want to see on a knife is a nude. And I would rather have color be in the form of natural materials rather than in the engraving, except for the addition of gold-colored gold, platinum and french grey.
 
I'm in Chicago now, so I don't have much time. Visual examples always help. I find the exxageration of the tiger intentional and effective, but it MAY be too much for some.

I've already shot a stunning dagger for a reknowned maker (Name witheld, as he will debut this in Solvang) with a nude by Jon Robyn. I can't post it for a while, but it is ABSOF***INLUTELY in the highest calibre and sexy. :D The way it should be for a curvy nude....

Thanks,

Coop
 
Can't wait to see THAT one!:D
 
Again this is a matter of taste, but I think it illustrates the point. BTW Coop, I own at least 5 Robyn engraved knives. The first one is a Robyn/Kious knife that to my eye is "disproprotionate and distorted." Part of that is Jon's style, but in this case, to me it's unappealing.

Next, is one of the deceased greats of engraving, Martin Butler, on a classic Lake tail lock with pearl. To me, this is what it's all about. A theme that captures the materials and the craftsmanship. Entitled "Heaven's Children" the pearl sets off a cloudlike motif of true artistry.

Finally, a Dan Wilkerson engraved Busfield. To my eye, this is incredibly disturbing and makes the knife a "no buy...at ANY price" even though the maker and engraver are both excellent in their own rights. And...yes I do own a Wilkerson engraved knife, but at the time he engraved it, he had a much more positive outlook on life than when he did the Busfield.

I was very surprised to learn that my ex husband Martin Butler is said to be deceased in this post. Please note that Martin is very much alive and still one of the world's 'greats of engraving'.
 
Firmo & Francesca Fracassi on a knife I posted for Dave Ellis long ago.
I don't remember which one of them did the work.

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Doug
 
I take it were not talking about just a small logo engraved on the blade...
Does anyone know the best way to put a makers logo on the blade. I have considered laser engraving and I've considered an electric engraver, but am hoping there's a better answer.
 
I take it were not talking about just a small logo engraved on the blade...
Does anyone know the best way to put a makers logo on the blade. I have considered laser engraving and I've considered an electric engraver, but am hoping there's a better answer.

You can laser engrave, you can electro etch, you can hand engrave(using any number of implements; carbide graver, dremel type diamond bit, electric revolving thing, electric vibrating pencil) and you can stamp....there is no "best" way, there is only your way.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
So many different perspectives. . . so many different opinions.

Economics: In some cases engraving can add a lot of value to a knife. Just as often, especially once we venture beyond bank scroll and gold applique flowers or leaves and get into specific subjects like animals, people, etc. , , , you are definitely limiting your future market - even if the execution of the engraving is excellent. Someone is going to have to like the subject of that engraving to buy that knife. Kind of reminds of of the way realtors always want you to paint the walls in neutral colors, etc., when you are preparing to sell a house. The very personally appealing things about a house or a knife that are reasons you like it so much may be the biggest problems when trying to sell unless you get lucky and find a buyer who shares your exact particular tastes. So anyone buying or commissioning an engraved knife with a specific them or subject matter should walk into it with their eyes wide open and hope that they really love it because there is no guarantee that anyone else will, no matter how talented the engraver may be.

Aesthetics: In general, I consider very few knifemakers to be outstanding engravers. Personally, I would not ask Firmo Fracassi, Winston Churchill, Brian Hochstrat, Torcoli, etc. to make a Damascus Bowie or a slipjoint. Likewise, I generally believe that the vast majority of knifemakers would be better to avoid engraving. There are a couple of exceptions - but that is about it, and IMO a lot fewer than other posters here seem to think. IMO, there is too much praise here for mediocre (and worse) engraving. I wonder how much time some folks have spent examining engraving by top masters before forming and expressing these opinions. The Engraver's Cafe is a good resource. Spend some time looking through some books on engraving. A friend turned me onto a book by Roger Bleile: "American Engravers - The 21st Century" which my wife bought me for Christmas. Amazing stuff! Spend some time examining the work of the best masters, and then objectively ask yourself if what you see most knifemakers doing which you see so much praise heaped upon here is really in the same league as work of these engravers. If a knifemaker is going to engrave a knife, IMO generally best to keep it as simple as possible.

I have seen more than one expensive knife ruined by "adding" a couple of thousands of dollars in engraving. The consistency of too many well-known engravers is lacking. Sometimes it is excellent; sometimes it is . . . not. I will not call out anyone, but just within the past few weeks I saw a knife posted up here which was engraved by a very well known and prolific maker who IMO generally does a fine job. Extreme close up pictures were not kind in this case. I was surprised - and not in a good way.

I own several engraved knives from a variety of different engravers. Most also have gold inlay, which I like. I have some others in planning stages. Many I commissioned myself. Some others I bought already engraved. I have had many of these knives for years with no intention to sell them, so they really do only have to appeal to me. There are things I like and things I do not like, but that is all just subjective personal taste, so I do not see a lot of value in discussing them here.

Is this a "golden age" for knife engraving? I don't know - I think only the perspective of time can allow one to answer that, some years in the future. But I have examined quite a few knives engraved several years and even decades ago. In general I believe that the work that is being done today is much better than in the past. The same can be said for the application and working of gold, jewels, etc., and other artistic flourishes. I have seen some famous and very expensive "art knives" from decades past, and as remarkable as they were in their time . . . in some cases they really do not hold up at all to the standards of what folks are doing today IMO. Maybe in another 20 years, I would say the same things about the works of today.
 
Janet -- when I visited with Martin at the CKG show last August I neglected to get current info on how I could reach him in the future and later discovered that the email addy I had was no longer valid. I wonder if you could please contact me and let me know any info you might have as I have no idea if he will attend the CKG show this year and even Wolfe was unable to provide any insight. TIA
 
I like engraving when it complements the knife, but when it takes over and becomes the main focus. It's not as attractive. A little gold highlight is fine, but some think the more gold the better or add engraving in non needed areas just for the sake of doing is when the engraver goes too far

DON
 
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