Enter your designs for the FREE Talonite knife in this thread!

Thanks Mike for this contest.

This is "Odessa", named after the hurrican. It's 15" long blade design is inspired by an ancient tanto called "Ozaraku Zukuri" though mine does not have a "yokote" break. It has a "I" beam construction on its spine for lateral structure support. As much as i like oriental Japanese knife designs, i designed a western style sub-hilt drop handle for it. The scales will be black polished Micarta with satin finished guard, sub-hilt and pommel to act as counter weight. The handle design is actually a collaberation between me and Charles Hallberg because i appointed him to make it for me. I know i won't win but i thought i'd show everyone of my "Odessa", Thank you.

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I have not found one on the market, so let me try to describe it. 4 inch blade, 1/8 inch thick. drop point/spear point profile with the point above center line ( 1/3 of the blade width down from the top edge. Back of the blade curved to the point from mid point of lenght. Blade thickness tapered down from the lenght mid point to the actual point. Bevel to extend 2/3 of width from edge. Cutting edge would have a 2 1/2 inch straight section, the remainder curving to the point forming an approximately 45 degree point. It would need to be a full tang or threaded pommel design for strenght. It is hard to choice between G-10 with a textured surface on the full tang or stag on the other( I like the looks
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). It would need a single guard to protect your hand; bead blasted SS with the G-10 or nickle silver with the stag. While I dreaming this up; how about a Kydex sheath for the G-10 model with multiple attachment methods, quick release belt carry and a provision for inverse carry. The closes I've come to finding this is a Randell #25, but it needs a little more belly in the cutting edge.
 
There's a few constants. Given the high cost of the metal and the need for stock-removal, curves are mostly out. I did my drawing BEFORE seeing Odessa, although it looks otherwise...I think what's going on is Eric and I are both thinking "what's the best dead-straight blade?

Guards integral with the blade steel are also a bad idea, hence my entry has to be totally different than The Outsider. And since the steel is awesome at utility tasks, a "pure fighter" would be a waste.

So...here's what I get:
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The pommel-blade is a neat addition made possible by the radically fattened pommel allowing for a "Kali grip". It became a question of "what to do with that area" and the answer is, add purely peaceful functionality to a fighter!

Jim

[This message has been edited by Jim March (edited 03-17-2000).]
 
Oooops...sorry about the rotation, that's fixed.

Tip for Windows Paint people: if you have Win98 or 2000, you can directly write .JPG or .GIF from Paint. Not from Win95 or NT though...you need to download a separate converter. One I found that works OK is called NConvert which comes with a viewer called "XNVIEW". NConvert is command-line driven but not too screwed up otherwise...it turned my 254k .BMP into a 14K .GIF.

Jim
 
Hi Jim,

Thank you for your evaluation on the "Odessa". But there's something i don't understand, maybe you could help me to find the answers;

Jim's Quote:"Guards integral with the blade steel are also a bad idea,.."
My apologies, maybe i've wrote wrongly in my post. The guard, sub-hilt and pommel are all fixed on. Non of them are integral.

Jim's Quote:"...hence my entry has to be totally different than The Outsider..."
Is The Outsider a knife or are you reffering to me? Do you consider me as an 'Outsider'? This i like to know from a moderator's point of view.

Jim's Quote:"...And since the steel is awesome at utility tasks, a "pure fighter" would be a waste."
I'm not sure what sort of design really definds a "pure fighter" so an answer is needed. Besides, i think contestant's design are not limited to the steel's usage is it?

Anyway, i'm not angry or anything. Just want answers. As Jim have stated, Talonite is expensive and the blade i designed is too large. Close to a short sword, it wouldn't be fair to others.....Hallberg will do fine for me, just want to "show-off" my design.
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Keninshiro, I realize your piece has a separate guard. I was commenting on general similarities between our pieces.

"The Outsider" is a custom knife I designed and commissioned built by maker Harald Moeller of BC, Canada:
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You can also see a pic of it on Edgeworks Tactical's page, in the kydex sheath they did for it based on my blueprints: http://www.tacticalholsters.com/sheaths.htm (top right pic).

Most of the forumites know about this critter. So when I was commenting on NOT doing such guards, I really meant I needed to depart from my previous design tendencies.

No slur on you was intended whatsoever
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Hope this helps...

Jim
 
Lesse...just re-read your post. The comment about "pure fighter would be a waste" wasn't aimed at you. Consider it "thinking out loud". I guess you've figured out by now that I was in NO way referring to you as an "Outsider"
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Remember, the Outsider is known as a "gonzo fighter" and I had some small input into the Sifu as well. So me coming up with anything OTHER than a "pure fighter" could cause some people to keel over in shock
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The only reason I mentioned Odessa at all was that we came up with somewhat similar blade shapes, although you went for a bit more height and a different cross-section. I just found the similarity interesting. And realize that in doing so, I'm hardly putting down your piece as a "pure fighter lacking in utility functionality".

Jim
 
Thanks for clearing it up Jim! I think your design is neat too! YES, your departure from tactical/"pure fighter" designs will definately put em' into shocks!LOL.....
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I've been noticing your designs whenever you put them up here, very interesting no doubt about it! Yup, I've seen the "Out sider" before.....
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I'm sorry if i sound offended, it's just that the last paragraph about TheOutsider(Gonzo)and "pure fighter"(which i thought mine looked like one....:P) stired me up a bit. Still recovering from insecurities syndrom....

Thanks again,
ERIC.

[This message has been edited by keninshiro (edited 03-17-2000).]
 
No sweat...I wish all misunderstandings were as easy to clear up.

Sidenote: I never sold The Outsider's design. There's only one so far, and it's mine. The only thing I got out of prodding REKAT into doing a megafolder was the chance to buy SN:1, which I did. My only "design input" on Sifu was the length: 5.45" to fit inside the TX limits.

So I'm not competing as a previously paid knife designer...
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Jim
 
Hey Jim,

We're all here to learn, to teach, to understand and to express, no hostile intentions. Glad we work it out and may this be an example to all?

Like Mike said, have fun all!

Later,
ERIC.
 
Are we allowed to send more than one designs via mail? Just asking again here 'cause you never know how long snail mail can take and I want my entries in in time
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You could put nacho cheese sauce on it...
 
My ideas.... Credit for the handle on the fixed blade goes to Mr.R.W. Loveless.
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[This message has been edited by Rayhol (edited 03-24-2000).]
 
Here is my proposition, detailed drawing in Corel DRAW! format and description are available also. Please ask me for them if you are interested.
Dimensions are in millimeters.
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Sergiusz Mitin
gunwriter
Lodz, Poland
 
BladeForums Tallonite .
Here are 3 designs from my sketch book . Didn´t wich one to choose ? Bowie , fighter or hunter .
Hope you´ll like them . I have not mentioned any material or sizes , because they may differ regarding the size of the Tallonite and what handle the maker thinks looks best depending on the blade being high polished or satin finished etc . etc .
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Anders Johansson at http://www.scrimart.u.se
 
Here is my entry. I call it the Bible Urban Utility Knife or B.U.U.K. I am a sucker for a recurved blade. Of course the handles don't have to be blue, that is just my favorite color. And the drawing isn't to scale. On the bigger image I have a rough size of 4" on the blade. Of course the blade and the handles can be made bigger or smaller, depending on need or wants.
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The above picture was made smaller to keep with the 25k rule. To see a slightly bigger pic go to http://user.icx.net/~drbible/knife.gif

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Dennis Bible

[This message has been edited by shootist16 (edited 03-19-2000).]
 
O.k! I have another design but this one i did it all by myself. Let me know what you think Jim....

It's a smaller version of Odessa with some modification to the spine so naturally it'll be called "Odessa II". This time the design is not influence by any ancient blade, it sort of "pops" out of no where when i was working. (Eureka sort of thing...)

It has a 4.5" blade at 5/32" thick, More belly compared to the original Odessa. A black polished Micarta scales and hollow pins.

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This is my knife idea:
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or in drawing:
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And my folding knife idea:
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blade length about 75-100 mm (about 3-4"), titanium (stainless steel) handle with wood inlay, liner lock.

[This message has been edited by slon (edited 03-21-2000).]
 
Eric: looks damn good. You're doing the subhilt in pure micarta? I think it'll work; better that than do large piles of Talonite dust at $20/oz or whatever
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. I came up with the same answer, and I'm NOT saying you're copying - we're doing some similar bits due to the nature of Talonite.

Comment to all, not aimed at Eric: I hope everyone remembers this stuff is totally rust-proof, therefore doing leather sheaths or brass grip parts will screw up what would otherwise be a perfectly good dive knife
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Seriously, remember what you're dealing with here: awesome edgeholding, corrosion resistance from hell and insane cost for the metal - not steel, metal, there ain't no iron in it.

Jim
 
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