Entitlement Issues

[MORIMOTOM]

It's not the bias issue, it was simply as this:

Walked down the stairs, t-shirt was not covering the PMil's giant clip, they saw it and I got hit with "plain view" NOT "gravity knife"

ok, gotcha.

but clearly different than what was previously posted in this thread about your situation.

its like the telephone game. start with one version, end up with something completely different.

 

[zignal_zero]

1. Learn the laws of the state you live in, county and city if applicable.
2. Obey the laws if possible, sometimes it can be tough.
3. Determine if breaking the law is needed for your personal safety.

If you do decide that for your personal safety to carry outside of the law do not be surprised if you get busted when you flash your knife or gun around to prove how macho you are. Also don't be surprised if you get pulled over for speeding when carrying outside the law and are found out when asked to step out of your car and the item is in plain veiw. If you decide to carry outside of the law you need to be the most polite law abiding citizen that walks the face of the earth. You also need to carry with deep concealment in mind, stay out of bars, stay out of areas known for crime if possible, and back down from any confrontation as far as you can.

Do or have I ever carried outside the law? No one knows and I intend for it to stay that way.

this deserves repeating EXCELLENT post!

also, be prepared to lose any knife you carry outside the law.

 

[TOM1960]

Look at Washington D.C. you can't own a gun in your home, in spite of what the 2nd amendment says. Got an intruder coming through your window at 3am? Too bad if he's not obeying the law and has a gun and you are obeying it and have none. The country that says you will not have your right to keep and bear arms infringed, has forbidden firearms totally in it's capital. Wonder what would happen if you took the same mindset as the crook and had a gun anyway, so you shoot him? The law is not very forgiving when it's subjects choose to transgress and the very reason you are transgressing happens to you. You'd probably get as much time as the intruder would if the police had apprehended him coming in your window.

So, you get arrested. I've been arrested before, no big deal. I was out before the paperwork was completed and the charges ended up being dismissed anyway. To each his own, but I would much rather be a live defendant than a deceased victim. Especially if the attack happened in one's own home, which really adds insult to injury. If surviving a savage criminal attack means spending some time in jail, so be it. I would, however, make it a point to draw as much publicity to my case as possible. At the very least, an honest person going to jail for protecting their own life would draw a lot of outrage, especially from crime-weary city-dwellers (think: Bernhard Goetz case in NYC). People get released from jail every day but I have never personally known anyone who walked out of a grave in a cemetery. You only have one life. You owe it to yourself and your loved ones to protect it.

 

[cdf]

You can't appeal a conviction under the law of survival !

Chris

 

[LaBella]

there is no four finger law. Anyone who says this is a correct application has no idea what they are talking about.

What he is referring to is personal integrity regardless of who is looking, or not looking for that matter.

but i see your point, ron.

Many people have stated that they know it varies, or that the officers really do not know. In the end it is up to the officer to make the call.


I once *almost* lost an Emerson Commander and in hindisght, it would have been easier to give up the knife than to sit there and waste time and energy the whole while escalating the situation.

In the end I got my knife back, which was firmly under the officer's stuff in the center console. I gave him an online address to procure his own *BUT* it took the threat of calling my Uncle who was a police officer to explain to this fellah that he was wrong. And I almost went to the clink, for however long it would NOT have been worth it.

So, to bring it back a lot of us do feel entitled. Especially by the replies thus far. Please keep going, because I too, tell people keep your nose clean and you SHOULDN'T have to worry.



Even though I know that is not entirely true

 

[cdf]

Sadly , a lot of police officers and their political masters feel that they should have a monopoly on the use of force , statute law be dammed . The sad fact is that police protect the system , and in no way can protect the individual . Many cannot relate to edged tools as being legitimate everyday items .

Lots of times the law was designed to be flexable , this latitude can be used against you as well as in your favor .

Chris

 

[auspx]

It's not the bias issue, it was simply as this:

Walked down the stairs, t-shirt was not covering the PMil's giant clip, they saw it and I got hit with "plain view" NOT "gravity knife"

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=VN53621

This may be the only lockblade you can carry legally in NYC. It's under 4", it can't be flipped open, and it doesn't look like a dangerous knife. And it has no pocket clip so concealment is easy.

 

[cdf]

Anybody care to define "Dangerous Knife " ... Sounds like its pretty much up to some LEO's whim of the moment . " Dirk , and Dagger , can also be pretty obscure in some juristictions .

Chris

 

[tom19176]

"Dangerous Knife" is one of those great terms that allows for an officer to operate in that "grey" area of law. Any knife designed primilarly as a weapon ( Bayonet, tanto, spear, double edge blade), any knife that was used as a weapon ( you are charged in addition to an other charges), any knife that you say you are carring for self defense.