Ethan's December Challenge

Unfortunately, I'll have to bow out of this contest. I've been in the woods a ton but hunting deer rather than making a bow drill ruckus. Just didn't get it done. Best of luck to the contestants!

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Beckerhead #42
 
Unfortunately, I'll have to bow out of this contest. I've been in the woods a ton but hunting deer rather than making a bow drill ruckus. Just didn't get it done. Best of luck to the contestants!

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Beckerhead #42

Well, how'd the deer hunting go?

I know you at least got one.

Moose
 
I spent a while on this the other day, just in the spirit of the contest. I decided to try it 1)With only an axe, 2)Without sufficient clothing for the conditions, and 3)When it was really, really, really cold. Anyway, after 20 minutes I had a set to work with, but the spindle kept slipping out. I realized that it was because the spindle was too soft, and built another. The second had an issue also, but it was because the notch in my handpiece wasn't deep enough. Since I couldn't really notch it with the tip of my axe, I broke out a knife and deepened my notch. At that point I had a working unit, but had 3 issues.

1) My winter boots didn't work with the short spindle, I kept bumping into them.

2) My bow was too short to really work with around my boots and short spindle.

3) My clothing was truly insufficient, and I had lost the needed dexterity in my fingers and mind.

If I get a chance tomorrow, I may keep trying just for the fun of it. Mostly, I just had to see a little more happening in this thread... :D
 
Any Cal., you're not the only one who had issues. I never successfully got a coal, but I'm going to post up my failure anyway in the spirit of the thread. I promised I'd participate, and so I will. I did learn some important things, and I also got to put to task some Beckers that had only seen light use to date. That part was a lot of fun.

I originally intended to head over to a local WMA, find some downed cedar, and go that route. However, with the holidays, my bronchial infection, and other limitations, I decided to do what I could at home. I thought I had some juniper chunks out back, and I've read that juniper is actually a good wood for a fire kit. However, when I poked through the wood pile, all I could find was some old hemlock from a tree I took down nearly three years ago. Hemlock is an evergreen like cedar and juniper, and I figured it was plenty dry by now, so I decided to give it ago.

I started with a small log, and using the Brute, Machax, and Combat Bowie, I split it and made a couple of planks.

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Using a long strip from one plank, I carved my spindle indoors, mostly with a Campanion and the EsKabar (no pic of this step, sorry). Then, I used the Crewman and the Magnum Camp for the rest of the process. Here is a pic of the pieces coming together. The tip of the Crewman was very handy for making the divot in the bearing block and the fire board. You can see the divots started in the pic below.

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And here's the set-up just after the burn in.

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I used the Magnum Camp for the rest of the process. Here's the board being notched and back cut.

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After getting some smoke (but no coal)...

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This is the point at which I began to correct some of the equipment. I mentioned before that I saw three issues: (1) too big of a bow, and (2) a slight curve at the top of my spindle, and (2) not enough "tit" on the spindle (too much friction at the top). Using the Magnum Camp, I corrected the spindle, and I went for a smaller bow, which was much easier to manipulate.

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Then, I tried like crazy. I could get smoke repeatedly, but never a good coal. After numerous attempts and spinning till my arm was worn out, I finally got fed up and decided to test the wood. Just for kicks, I inserted a wood screw in the tit of my spindle, hooked it to a portable drill, and spun the heck out of it on the board. Again, I got smoke but that was it. I had some serious RPMs going but never got a coal.

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So I came to a couple of tentative conclusions. One is that the wood got too damp. I did let it sit outside between making the planks and completing the kit. In the interim, we had some rain and a pretty good snowfall. Still, it was under a tarp, and I brought the wood in for a while thereafter, and it should have been pretty dry. My other hypothesis is that hemlock just doesn't make the cut like some other evergreens. I don't find it mentioned much in Google searches on bow drill kits, so maybe it was just a poor choice from the get-go.


Regarding knives... my Campanion and my Combat Bowie have long been my main two Becker users, but I was happy to try out some of the others that have languished far too long. I still like the BK-9 best as a chopper, but I was very impressed by two knives: the Crewman and the Magnum Camp. The Crewman is a great little knife, and I'm going to start putting it into my woods rotation more often. The Camp, I'd used a good bit in the kitchen, but not so much on woods chores. I was really impressed with the way that it shaved and carved wood. Now that I have the nice Spec-Ops sheath for it, I'm going to put it in my pack more often as well.

That's it for this report. Good Lord willing, I'm hitting the woods next week, and I'm going to try to find dry cedar now that I've gotten some of the technique down. I'll update here or in the open forum once I have some success. Like I said in a recent W&SS thread, I've been an outdoorsman all my life, but there are still lots of things I can learn about wilderness survival. This challenge gave me the incentive to start learning one such skill, and I enjoyed taking the step. Kudos to Ethan and Moose for getting this challenge going. :thumbup:
 
Guyon, that is about the spot I usually end up...:D

When building mine, I just kept thinking, "Boy, a Magnum camp would sure work really well for this!" It looks like you got to find out for sure! Your set looks nice. :)
 
Everyone who is going in for the contest, needs to have thier entry in by tomorrow at midnight at the latest, or you don't get in.

Just a quick recap, winner gets a BK9 with micarta grips, signed by Ethan, second place gets a BK14, and 3rd place get a BK13 Remora. Easy pickin's.

Moose
 
Try or fail I will have something up tomorrow. Guyon, It might be the thickness of the hearth board and your choice of wood. I'm no expert, as there is always more than one way to skin a cat. The harder the wood the higher the ignition temp. That is why some recommend a hardwood spindle and a soft wood board. Also, the hearth board should not be much more than 5/16" thick. If the board is too thick the coal doesn't seem to develope easily. When making the spindle, think straight, straight, straight. Looks like you about have it, but pine sucks. Cotton wood burns much easier..
 
Here is mine, I froze my A$$ off.
I took my BK7 for this challenge, its my newest becker.
The High was around 20 and everything was frozen, I did have some good luck finding some dry material under trees that have fell and lots of bark.

When I arrived I started setting up my wood, carving chips and dealing with my Dog (Becker) stealing my wood and running off.

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Wood ready to go
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Bow, Block and drill. Nest for coal.
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I used my BK7 to catch the coal, I was burning up after during bow cardio
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I love this damn Knife
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Coal in nest and blowing some air and its good to go......
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Felt good seeing flames....
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Fire time
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Overall, it was fun and I think I will do it again in spring.
It looks like I did it pretty slick but my arm is still in pain, getting that coal was a bastard, once the wood started whistling I just started going crazy until it kicked up.

I found out starting out slow until enough dust was collected was the best way to get the coal.

Thanks for this Opportunity, Ethan, Moose and everyone on this awesome forum....
 
Very nice guys! Unfortunately I'm gonna have to excuse myself from this challenge. My wife works late today and my little woods buddy is still feeling feverish and blowing snot rockets all over the place. I can't take him out in that condition. Good luck to you guys!
 
Try or fail I will have something up tomorrow. Guyon, It might be the thickness of the hearth board and your choice of wood.

Thanks for the tips. Yeah, my hearth board was like an inch thick. Duly noted about the 5/16" thickness.

Widerstand and Flexxx, you guys rocked it out. Nice job. :thumbup:
 
Widerstand and Flexxx, you guys rocked it out. Nice job. :thumbup:

Thanks.

So my setup was all Cottonwood, but in the past a Cottonwood hearth board, Oak drill, and a Oak bearing is a good combo since you want to burn up your hearth board and not your drill or bearing, being in the NW I have year round moss for bearing lube and it seems to work pretty well.

When I do the drilling I so it lightly to start to get the board warm and then I do a combo of a lot of pressure and then I lighten the pressure up some and this lets the coal drop into the grove and build up vs. dusting the board around the hole.

As for size of the components this is what has work for me. My bow is from the tip of my f-you finger to my armpit, hearth board is just a bit thinner then the thickness of my thumb, drill is about 3/4" around and about 9 inches or so long.

Remember the larger the diameter of the drill the less rpms you will get pre-stroke of the bow.

If your having slippage of the bow string on the drill there is a few thing you can do. Don't just use a single paracord line, twist it up like you making cordage so its bumpy, also do not have the drill 100% round, carve little flat spots on it where the sting will come into contact with and it will help to engage the drill.

If you getting slippage between the drill and the board you can drop in a few bits of sand or something like that and it will reduce the slippage some.

These are just some things I have picked up over the years.
 
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