Excessive?

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Daniel

[This message has been edited by avpshadowman (edited 05-19-2001).]
 
isnt having so many guns and knives around dangerous ? if you were to get into a struggle with an intruder, it means there are more objects floating around which can be used against you.

and if someones going to break into your house, you can bet they are armed. and not with a little tactical folder, more like a machete or stick or even a gun. and if thats the case, why would you plan on defending yourself with a tactical folder with a 3.5 inch reach ?

personally, if i was worried about my safety, i would keep a dog, have a loaded gun nearby and a large bladed weapon as a last resort. i wouldnt need to have 50 of each to feel safe.

Daniel
 
Crayola said:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">If someone invades your home armed with a knife or stick or something and decides to have their way with your wife, your wife would be very much appreciative...</font>

DOGGONE, Cray; your wife is pretty desperate, huh??
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(laughing, ducking, running for cover) Walt
 
I sleep with a Dozier KS-5 and a Surefire 6-P on the headboard. The 870 is a few feet away with 5 rounds in a buttstock shell-holder. Excessive? I sure hope so. I'd hate to think of a situation where it was not enough.
 
el cid,
Guns can jam. A knife is my option of last resort. Beats bare hands or making obscene gestures.
 
many many years ago I chased down a purse snatcher in chicago, wound up at the chicago ave station, winter, snowing, detective says sit tight and we'll give you a ride home.

detective comes back and starts 'packing' up. five .38 snubbies. 1 right hip, 2 left IWB, 1 left shoulder rig, 1 right ankle rig. firepower, reliability, no reloading, multiple draw positions.

excessive?, nah, looked about right to me.
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course it might uncomfortable to sleep this way.
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Sounds like that movie with Isaac Hayes where he tucked about every kind of weapon imaginable onto and around his person, then slipped on a cartridge case, and all of them went off... Walt
 
I keep my balisongs in a box next to my bed, the .357 is up atop the cabinet, and my katana, foil(like that would help)
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, and cane sword are propped up against my wall. Not excessive at all.
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They should make a new style sheath for people like us
THE PILLOW SHEATH!
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I have a sword in my pocket!

[This message has been edited by Kyui Su Kim (edited 05-20-2001).]
 
I think too many of you guys are sissies.
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Just kidding, folks. Put down those weapons.
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I know some of us live where guns
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are "forbidden" (even though that concept completely escapes me). Being afraid of the "authorities", many won't use the most effective home defense weapon; a shotgun with birdshot, or even a
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handgun. In that case, a GOOD knife adequate for defensive use indoors, ideally 4" to 6", and VERY sharp, would be the next best thing.

Since my health makes sleeping in my recliner the most convenient, I'm well armed at all times. That's where I have to spend the bulk of my time now. I keep a Carbon 15 (ultra light 4# 32" AR 15 clone) with a 9 round mag full of 60 grain Hornady TAP (Tactical Application Police)on the floor next to me. There's one in the chamber, and 2-20 round back-up mags there also, with 2-30 round mags nearby. "Just in case", there is a SIG P226 filled with Federal 124 grain +P+ "Hydra-Shoks" and a 15 round back-up mag in the magazine-rack/table right next to the recliner. Also, a Surefire 6P with the P61 lamp AND a fully charged 9N with the "Turbo" head tactical light is on it too. Finally, my Microtech HALO III "using" knife is always on my belt (I sleep in my shorts summer, pants winter). But the REAL defense is the FN-FAL "Para" in my bedroom. With a 20 round mag in it full of Hornady .308 TAPs(110 grain @ 3350 FPS; incredible explosive performance), it's effective but safe. 2 back-up mags are with it. Alternatively,my old Browning Auto-5 with the plug removed, 5 rounds of low brass #9 dove loads in the magazine, and one in the chamber is in the kitchen. If I have time, the Para is first choice, then the Browning, or vice-versa, depending on the situation. Otherwise, the Carbon 15 will suffice. It goes EVERYWHERE with me. Of course, if I experience a failure, the P226 or my carry .45 Star PD is always with me too.

My puppie, an 80# Dobie sleeps at my feet. He's a real Jekyll and Hyde; a marshmellow if I let anyone in, but very aggressive and vocal if a stranger approaches my house. He actually runs off 2,000# bulls, boar Javelina (wild pigs) and packs of Coyotes when we're in the desert hunting. That's especially handy since I can't usually leave the campsite very far any more. Funny!

Due to my health, I'm getting an IR 4 camera TV surveillance system. With it, I won't have to get up and go outside to investigate occasional unusual/suspicious noises at night.

Am I "excessive" (obsessive)? Paranoid? Who cares? Not me. I'm still alive, which frustrates my enemies. And yes, I have had need for the "hardware". I raised TWO families with loaded guns everywhere in my homes. I wouldn't think of delaying my response because I failed to properly and thoroughly educate and train my kids gun safety,good judgement, and trustworthiness.
But, we each gotta do what we gotta do.

FWIW, even though, and maybe because I live in a nice neighborhood, my next door neighbor's 18 year old daughter had an attempted kidnapping. It happened last week on the opposite side of their house from me. In broad daylight much less! The passenger of their slowly moving car jumped out and grabbed her. When she tore loose, he grabbed her purse, but left serious bruises were he grabbed her arm and tried to wrestle her into the car. Unfortunately, they got away in the still moving car before I could make it to them. I didn't want to endanger others if somehow I missed at their rapidly increasing range, so I didn't shoot. They escaped.

Oh yeah, did I also mention? Because of my erratic health, I have to leave my front door unlocked so someone can get in if something happens to me, even all night. That's why I'm so well armed. Luckily, I've had considerable tactical weapons training over many years. That, coupled with a Trijicon Reflex II sight on both the Carbon 15 and Para, allows me to make an accurate snap shot at a moving target out to 250 yards if I have to. Experience and practice produces about a 90% chance of an instant 1st shot hit at longer range. Close in, it's almost 100%. Thanks to MUCH practice, I can do it as fast as an unskilled assailant can draw and fire a concealed handgun.

For those who think it will never happen to them, I guess I don't have to mention that my neighbor's daughter USED to think the same thing. Now, if her parents are absent, she calls me on her cell phone, waiting in her locked truck until I arrive to escort her home. She has to park out of sight of both houses.

A young girl temporarily minding a dry cleaners was equally complacent years back. When I arrived unexpectedly, and caught her robber, she learned the hard way too.

I hope no one in any of OUR families learns the same way. Maybe this post will serve as a wake-up call for those among us who are too complacent for their own and their family's good. As Col. Jeff Cooper taught, NEVER be in what he terms "Condition White". And teach your loved ones the same.

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[This message has been edited by StarPD (edited 05-20-2001).]
 
......this is a great post! LOL...

I have a gerber LMF, a custom recurve blade, a german sheperd, a samoyed, a torch.....oh yeah, and an 8 iron.

The 8 iron works well when strategically placed across the bridge of the nose.

He did not complain after that to warrant getting my knife out!

You are NORMAL.......
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I routinely sleep with a Spyderco Endura clipped to my britches. Thoughts of filleting intruders are romantic and fun, but don't overlook practical utility. You never know when you might have to make a sandwich in the middle of the night. I've used the knife *in bed* to open stubborn packaging for my four-year-old daughter at least twice in recent memory. Saved me the trouble of getting out of bed on a Saturday morning to get a pair of scissors. Saved my wife the trouble also, so she's not complaining.

I can't understand why anybody *wouldn't* sleep with a knife. The hassle is minimal or nonexistant, and the benefits are potentially great.

David Rock

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excessive? of course. don't you trust the police? i live in the uk, where any use of weapons to defend your life is totally unnecessary, as the police will be there the very second you need them and burglars and rapists are polite enough to not use violence and to wait for the forces of law and order to arrive.
(sorry, i know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit! and i didn't mean any offence to leo's either.)

i have a 26" ASP in my rucksack, which lives next to me wherever i am, a stiff kiss attached to the ASP's sheath, a 13" bowie leaning against the bedside table, a 4' oak staff with pointed brass ferrule next to the door, my entire collection of knives (20-30 - i am still young!) in a box opposite the bed, a repro katana hanging over the bed, and my GORGEOUS girlfriend has just bought me a CRKT CKFF large for my birthday (TOP BIRD!), so that will be on my person day and night for the next couple of months, until i can buy a BM 710.

i also have close to 20 yrs of martial arts and a couple of yrs of doorwork behind me, live in a good area, and have strong locking doors and windows. paranoid? excessive? yes, until i hear someone nicking the telly at 3a.m, when i shall be magically transformed from paranoid to well-prepared in the blink of an eye.
i am a scout leader, and i firmly believe in being prepared!

QUICK NOTE TO BURGLARS:- I ALSO HAVE A 40MM BOFORS GUN, SOME PATRIOT MISSILES, AND THE BOAT TROOP OF THE S.A.S TRAINS IN MY FISHPOND, SO PISS OFF IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU!

good thread, we like this one, just very jealous of all you guys! "....i got a GE minigun mounted on my sunlounger, an M60 beltfed next to the shower....." why can't us brits have cool home-defense toys like you lot do?!
 
Nice to see I'm not the only one who sleeps with a knife (BM710) clipped to my shorts.
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Although if someone comes kicking the door at o-dark-thirty he will most likely recieve incoming fire from the MAK-90 before I think about using a knife.
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"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
--Joseph Heller, Catch 22

Actually, a 12-guage pump loaded slug, buck, bird, buck, slug works very well, whether your target is approaching or attempting escape.

Also, as an erudite local police chief answered when I asked why he issues pump shotguns instead of automatics:

"My first objective is to make a suspect or assailant stop, if possible without firing a shot. I find that ordering a suspect to "Stop!" is most effective if followed by the unmistakable sound of a pump-action shotgun chambering a round."

Oh, yeah...knives...sorry.



[This message has been edited by WILL YORK (edited 05-24-2001).]
 
Whoa, very interesting thread considering the other hot one out there about us "sick" knife lovers.

As for me, I have an assortment of knives within easy reach of my bed. They are not my first line of defense though. That would be the .357 revolver loaded with various cartrides starting with low penetration, fragmenting bullets and ending with a high penetration "solid" supposedly capable of defeating body armor. It hangs on my bedpost covered by an old shirt. This scheme is based on many years of living in big bear country where I learned a 44 magnum revolver in my armpit was better than a 375 H&H leaning against a tree located on the OTHER SIDE OF THE BEAR coming at me. I also learned auto loaders don't feed different loads all that realiably, hence the revolver.

I don't know how effective all this would be in a real situation, since we all know about best laid plans. I normally sleep so soundly I would probabaly be looking down the barrel of my own gun by the time I woke up. But probably not, since my wife wakes up if the neighbor sneezes two acres away.

Anyway, I don't think anyone here is paranoid because they keep a knife or gun handy for protection. And like they say, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.
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In the shower? Why not
BG might come anytime .. I do have my balisong with me when I take shower.

Last year there was a post on knife in shower. Same response as now. I guess we are the only one responsible for our own safety.
 
After reading all your replies, I am definitely under armed/prepared. Until I can go shopping I will have to rely on a 65lb. german shepherd, an 80lb. boxer (who farts a lot), pepper spray, a mossberg 500, and my dirty socks on the floor. If I feel really paranoid I leave two pairs of dirty socks on the floor.
 
I sleep with a WKC Woo neck knife on me, a 36" WA-1 stick by the bed and a Pelican xenon flashlifgt and a Glock 19 on the night table.
 
I keep a 22" metal pipe...(I wasn't always a magician) and a Photon in white. Bright enough to blind an intruder. I will also have knives close, but not available in bed. I have A 2 year old and a for year old. Guns are out.......I know people preach about teaching the kids.
My four year old has Autism. He has not learned to talk well yet, gun safety is too far out of his grasp. Like a 1 year old in a big four year old body. I think I will put my Ryan Wilson Model 2 somewhere if it arrives soon....Great thread! Thanks.
 
The side of the bed is where my knives seem to collect. At the moment there's a CS Khukuri, a CS Bushman, a Recon Tanto, 2 spyderco folders, 2 Mora #1s, and a SAK Rucksack...If someone breaks in, they're going to think there's a giant porcupine where the bed should be, due to all the blades...
 
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