Fake Busse

[bld522]

Exactly. That's why you should only buy from manufacturers or authorized dealers. Protecting yourself is really just as simple as that.

 

[LadyEarth]

Well it doesn't take a degree in rocket science to figure out that if you're visiting some sites, you're not there looking for originals. And the answer to protecting yourself from fake Busses is always the same. If you want to buy a genuine Busse, buy it from the factory.

Then the solution is for this forum to shut down the Busse trading and selling section because according to your logic, the only place to buy it is at the factory. People these days.

I on the other hand would rather be well informed on what fakes are out there as I generally despite the hell out of Chinese knock offs (started when a friend ended up in hospital after using a chinese knock off car parts in attempt to pimp his car out). It should be a rule for us to be educated on such things (as not all members in here are equally bright nor carries stellar logic). The more informed the members are, the less likely the fakes can be passed off as an original. It is a strong way to protect ourselves and the knife loving community.

But no. The rules advocates ignorance. :thumbup:

 

[Highlander 20026]

that is why i posted it in here and not the main forum

 

[bld522]

Then the solution is for this forum to shut down the Busse trading and selling section because according to your logic, the only place to buy it is at the factory. People these days.

Actually, that's true. No matter how good a seller's reputation may be, there's always an outside chance that they may inadvertently pass along a fake. So yes, if you REALLY don't want to run the risk, don't do business on the secondary market.

In the final analysis, it all comes down to how important it is to you to protect yourself from fakes. But to say the solution isn't out there is naive. If you get stuck with a fake, you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[Highlander 20026]

geeze kinda sorry i brought it up, just wanted to inform

 

[bld522]

No. I'm not suggesting you did anything wrong by sending up a flare. All I'm saying is that at the end of the day, people have to take responsibility for their own purchase decisions. And as always, caveat emptor.

 

[gk4ever2]

Exactly. That's why you should only buy from manufacturers or authorized dealers. Protecting yourself is really just as simple as that.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you on this (the part in bold print). I have bought the vast majority of my Busses from the exchange here, a few from eBay, and some direct from the factory. I do agree with "buyer beware", so if a person has a question about the authenticity of a Busse knife then ask in this forum - plenty of folks here will know if it is real or not.

geeze kinda sorry i brought it up, just wanted to inform

Thanks for bringing it up. While many of us here who have been around awhile can easily spot a fake, a newer person might not be aware.

 

[adrock1978]

It's an infraction for doing a good community service via informing the community about websites that sells fake knives? I missed the link so that means I wont be able to benefit from his announcement regarding the fakes. Tsk...

He named the name of the site. You need a link to the site to see the fake knife in order to benefit from his announcement? This isn't brain surgery. It's not any less of a public service because he didn't link the fake in question.
When your parents told you not to take candy from strangers, did you ask for photos of all these strangers?

 

[SpyderPhreak]

Then the solution is for this forum to shut down the Busse trading and selling section because according to your logic, the only place to buy it is at the factory. People these days.

Indeed, people these days. As we've already tried to tell you, one of the reasons for this rule is to prevent further advertising of these fakes. Posting the link only helps them sell more. If you're so hopped up to check out the link, privately ask the OP to send it to you.

There are enough people here watching these forums that the fakes/counterfeits are pretty easily spotted and weeded out. There aren't any fake Bussekin that are even remotely close enough to last any significant amount of time in that section of the X. Short of buying directly from Busse, that's probably the next safest place to buy a Bussekin blade.

Where is this actually a problem here on BF you might ask? Check out the Chris Reeve BST section; some of those fake Sebenzas are getting really good, and it takes a really educated eye to spot some of them. Luckily there are also BF members over there that do a pretty good job of policing that section too.

But no. The rules advocates ignorance. :thumbup:

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. :thumbdn: Also, they're Spark's rules. Live with them, or click on the "logout" button. Your posts in this thread are not helping anything here. :grumpy: BTW, might want to check yourself here; that sentence is borderline trolling.

geeze kinda sorry i brought it up, just wanted to inform

Aside from initially posting the link, you have done nothing wrong. It's not your fault that some people can't live with Spark's rules.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you on this (the part in bold print). I have bought the vast majority of my Busses from the exchange here, a few from eBay, and some direct from the factory. I do agree with "buyer beware", so if a person has a question about the authenticity of a Busse knife then ask in this forum - plenty of folks here will know if it is real or not.

Agreed. And there have yet to be any Bussekin fakes that are remotely close enough not to be easily spotted. Also, I do not recall ever seeing a fake listed on the Busse exchange section. Not that it hasn't happened, but I'm fairly confident that it hasn't.

 

[Firestrike]

All of mine have been bought direct from Ohio....I prefer the wait as opposed to higher prices.

 

[AntDog]

Don't feed it.

 

[bld522]

I wholeheartedly disagree with you on this (the part in bold print). I have bought the vast majority of my Busses from the exchange here, a few from eBay, and some direct from the factory. I do agree with "buyer beware", so if a person has a question about the authenticity of a Busse knife then ask in this forum - plenty of folks here will know if it is real or not.

I agree that there are sellers in the Exchange with established reputations from whom you can buy Busses with a very high degree of confidence. But I will tell you flatly that I've seen counterfeits that were so close to originals that only the manufacturer could tell them apart. And the counterfeiters are getting better at their craft all the time.

. . . there have yet to be any Bussekin fakes that are remotely close enough not to be easily spotted. Also, I do not recall ever seeing a fake listed on the Busse exchange section. Not that it hasn't happened, but I'm fairly confident that it hasn't.

With the kinds of prices Busses command on the secondary market, if you don't think they're on the countefeiters' radar, you really are naive. Unless you bought your Busse from the factory or a verified reseller, fairly confident is as close as you're ever going to get. And then, of course, there's this . . .

All of mine have been bought direct from Ohio....I prefer the wait as opposed to higher prices.

+1. Although I will admit that I bought some from Skunk back in the day. But Jerry acknowledged that Skunk was running an authorized store at the time and that was long before the counterfeiters had access to 3D scanners, state-of-the-art modeling computers and CNC machines, so my confidence level was extremely high.

The high-end counterfeiters would like you to believe that what they're putting out is poorly made and easy to spot. But having seen some of their products up close and personal, I can assure you that neither one is true. Underestimate them at your peril. And blame no one but yourself if you get stuck with a counterfeit when the way to prevent that from happening is staring you right in the face . . . and in the case of Busse Combat, costs less too.

 

[tuica]

Just visited that site. Hard to believe that they can label them as Busse knives and not be subject to legal ramifications. If Busse wants to bother with that route. And, most of my Bussekins have been purchased as used on BF and other sites. I like the users, and realize I take the risk in doing that. Of the 37 or so that I have purchased, there is only one that I suspect as perhaps fraudulent. Good luck all...;-)

 

[SpyderPhreak]

With the kinds of prices Busses command on the secondary market, if you don't think they're on the countefeiters' radar, you really are naive. Unless you bought your Busse from the factory or a verified reseller, fairly confident is as close as you're ever going to get. And then, of course, there's this . . .

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The high-end counterfeiters would like you to believe that what they're putting out is poorly made and easy to spot. But having seen some of their products up close and personal, I can assure you that neither one is true. Underestimate them at your peril. And blame no one but yourself if you get stuck with a counterfeit when the way to prevent that from happening is staring you right in the face . . . and in the case of Busse Combat, costs less too.

I'm naive??? LMAO! Ok dude, whatever... Not even in the least! :grumpy: You must have conveniently overlooked the part of my post where I mentioned the stuff about the Chris Reeve fakes. Busse knives ARE obviously on the counterfeiters "radar", else we wouldn't have the poor, pathetic excuses for fakes like what were originally linked in the OP's post. The problem is that they can't reproduce what Busse does cheap enough to make the kind of money they would like to make on a fake.

Here's a challenge for you: Show me ONE counterfeit Busse, just one, that is even remotely close enough of a copy to pass a cursory look and confuse me as a real one, mmmK? Because I've never seen one. You act like I'm some kind of newbie to Bussekin?

And why the need for the personal insult? :thumbdn:

 

[bld522]

No worries. Believe what you want to. You will anyway.

 

[Highlander 20026]

i have looked i saw one that was similar to a few models but obviously not passable, i have seen a lot of other companies that they copy that are so good you would probably have to send it to the maker to tell them apart, so i would just say know your sources for every purchase, it is a shame unscrupulous people have to do this kind of thing

 

[bld522]

True. The fact is, we have no idea how many Busse counterfeits that have the ability to pass as originals are circulating out there. And if they exist, they'd be difficult to spot by definition, wouldn't they?

 

[Highlander 20026]

in theory yes, but i am not so much worried about that, i am worried about people who do not know any better and buy fakes and get hurt cause they actually try to use it

 

[SpyderPhreak]

No worries. Believe what you want to. You will anyway.

90% of my Bussekin collection has come direct from the factory, so yeah, I don't worry too much about it. The handful of others I have I am 100% certain of the pedigree. What's your problem anyway???

True. The fact is, we have no idea how many Busse counterfeits that have the ability to pass as originals are circulating out there. And if they exist, they'd be difficult to spot by definition, wouldn't they?

So you're saying you can't prove it either then? I am certain that if there were fake Busse knives out there that were "good enough" to pass as the real McCoy, we'd have heard about it by now. Bussekin change hands often enough that some HOG would have found a good counterfeit one by now IF they actually existed. To think otherwise is a dis on the whole Busse community. Even the best CRK counterfeits can be spotted by a knowledgable collector.

 

[bld522]

Like I said, no worries. Meanwhile, the ONLY way I'm buying Bussekin knives is from the factory. That's the cheapest way to buy them and their too expensive on the secondary market to roll the dice otherwise. YMMV.

Good luck!