Fake Busse

[gk4ever2]

I agree that there are sellers in the Exchange with established reputations from whom you can buy Busses with a very high degree of confidence. But I will tell you flatly that I've seen counterfeits that were so close to originals that only the manufacturer could tell them apart. And the counterfeiters are getting better at their craft all the time.

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The high-end counterfeiters would like you to believe that what they're putting out is poorly made and easy to spot. But having seen some of their products up close and personal, I can assure you that neither one is true. Underestimate them at your peril. And blame no one but yourself if you get stuck with a counterfeit when the way to prevent that from happening is staring you right in the face . . . and in the case of Busse Combat, costs less too.

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Here's a challenge for you: Show me ONE counterfeit Busse, just one, that is even remotely close enough of a copy to pass a cursory look and confuse me as a real one, mmmK? Because I've never seen one. ...

bld522,

The parts of your post that I highlighted in bold print above - are you referring to Busse knives or another brand(s)? Your 2nd sentence above follows a sentence where you mention Busse specifically, so are you still talking about Busse knives in the 2nd sentence? If you have seen fake Busses that look authentic, I would also like to see them, so please let us know where you have seen them (name a web site, post a photo, etc.); please provide as much detailed info as possible. Thanks.

 

[bld522]

Let me cut to chase. I have personally seen counterfeits that are indistinguishable from originals. Have I seen a Busse counterfeit that's indistinguishable from an original? How would I know? The only way I knew that the other knives were counterfeits is because I knew GOING IN that they were counterfeits. Otherwise, I would have had no way of knowing they were counterfeits either. That's what the word "indistinguishable" means.

So the question is, do you or do you not want to take that chance on the purchase of a Busse knife? If the answer is yes, roll the dice and buy it on the secondary market. Odds are you'll be just fine, particularly if you buy it from a seller with a lot of transactions and an excellent reputation. If the answer is no, do what I do and buy it only from the factory. That way you never have to second-guess yourself. And that's really all there is to it.

 

[leatherman]

Just for the record guys, and take this with 15 years of collecting, I've never seen ANY of these knock offs that even made me take a second look. NONE of them even come close to the look and feel of the real thing, none.

90 percent of them arent even near close to even looking like the Busse's they are touted to be, the other 10 percent are actually labelled different. Its not that difficult, and when in doubt..... just ask Jerry.

If you get duped, on most of those really bad knock off's then its your loss. That newest one that has a similar logo but doesn't even say BUSSE on it. Might wanna get glasses.

Edit to add: the closest Ive ever seen to a true counterfeit was out of Oklahoma, the AK's. They squashed that one quick, but even those were different enough to be wrong. The logo, the handles, and the overall look was off enough that even a new buyer posted if it was real or not.

 

[gk4ever2]

bld522,

You come across in this thread as a knowledgeable expert on Busse knives, and yet when asked to provide some proof of fake but real-looking Busse knives you fail to do so. Here are some questions for you:

1) Do you carry paper money in your wallet? If so, how do you know it is real? If you only use credit/debit cards, how do you know someone will not steal your identity?

2) Do you drive a car (or truck, SUV, etc.)? How do you know your vehicle will not break down? How do you know you will not be hit by some other vehicle and be seriously injured?

3) Do you fly in an airplane? How do you know it is safe and will not crash?

4) Do you go outside in a storm? How do you know you will not be struck by lightning?

My point is: while nearly anything is possible, that does not make it likely to happen. Not taking even the slightest chance limits someone to a very sheltered life. Also, at some point caution becomes paranoia.


You said "That's why you should only buy from manufacturers or authorized dealers. Protecting yourself is really just as simple as that." My comments to that are:

1) You are not giving the moderators in the exchange or Spark any credit for running a tight ship.

2) You are implying most if not all sellers on the exchange are not to be trusted.

You did later say "I agree that there are sellers in the Exchange with established reputations from whom you can buy Busses with a very high degree of confidence." – I do agree with this.


I think you mean well but making blanket statements like "only buy from manufacturers or authorized dealers" is narrow-minded and ill-advised. I have been around BladeForums since late 2001 (I originally joined in early 2002 as user "gk4ever"), and I have had many dozens of successful buys in the BF exchange that I have nearly always been very pleased with. I carefully check photos of knives and the seller's reputation, and I know what is a fair price, before buying a knife in the BF exchange or eBay.

 

[AntDog]

Just for the record guys, and take this with 15 years of collecting, I've never seen ANY of these knock offs that even made me take a second look. NONE of them even come close to the look and feel of the real thing, none.

90 percent of them arent even near close to even looking like the Busse's they are touted to be, the other 10 percent are actually labelled different. Its not that difficult, and when in doubt..... just ask Jerry.

If you get duped, on most of those really bad knock off's then its your loss. That newest one that has a similar logo but doesn't even say BUSSE on it. Might wanna get glasses.

EXACTLY! Very well said.

 

[SpyderPhreak]

Bld, as I mentioned in my PM to you, yes, you are correct that the only way to be 100% sure you are buying authentic Bussekin is to order straight from the factory. However, we do not need to be perpetuating a rumor that there are counterfeit Bussekin out in the wild that are difficult to distinguish from the real thing if there is zero proof of such. Sure, there could be a small chance of it, but I don't believe that anybody knows of such a thing. Just because there could be, doesn't make it so. And a rumor like that is damaging to the brand too, true or not.

Take care, -Jared.

 

[AntDog]

Again, well said. I've never seen anything even remotely close to a fake Busse. The techniques they use are pretty distinguishable if you know what to look for.

 

[knife hunter]

Ok gentlemen, I think this has gotten way off track and has become negative so Im locking it down.


I will just say Ive had Busses since 2005. Didnt get into em "Hard" until 2007 but like Leatherman stated - I havent seen a Busse knockoff that you wouldnt recognize as such in a second so I wouldnt fret too much.

Now, get back to enjoying yourselves and have a drink....whether its beer or root beer. Have another

 

[RevDevil]

It's an infraction for doing a good community service via informing the community about websites that sells fake knives? I missed the link so that means I wont be able to benefit from his announcement regarding the fakes. Tsk...

Some clarification, as this happens all over the forums, not just in this specific one.

Actually, it's an infraction for linking directly to a scumball site that sells counterfeit items (deal spotting). Common sense would dictate that it's on par giving them free advertising to people that don't know any better. It's not hard to find the websites that sell counterfeit items, if that is what your into. Missed the link? Excellent, that is what we on't need here. There are only a handful of places to get legitimate Busse and kin knives, the one the OP mentioned sure ain't one of them. It's hardly a climb to the top of Everest to benefit from an announcement like this, there is also a right and wrong way to make such announcements. Hope all the previous explanations helped lear up any of your confusion. Keep drinkin!