Fake Edge Pro Apex for $32

Diogenes is still searching for his honest man. I've been walking this earth for over 65 years and I sure haven't met any who are 100% clean. Close... sure. But perfect? Un-uh.

We all choose which wars we will fight. Many who refund the extra few cents they were over-changed at the check-out line have no problem taking home a package of paper or pens from their workplace (stealing from the company.) Maybe taking an extra 15 minutes at lunch or leaving early on Friday afternoon. That adds up to a LOT of money over the course of a year. Others, who make it an art form shaving dollars from their taxes and praying no one notices get up in arms when someone mis-uses food stamps. I'm curious just how many who are strident in their cries of 'foul!' over the Chinese copy of the EdgePro are able to walk on water. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


Stitchawl
 
I couldn't walk on water if my life depended on it. Plenty of religious connotations there, I suppose any perceived wrongdoing can use it to defend anything from cheating to murder. No one is casting any stones, currently just viewpoints being offered, and why some refuse to purchase a product. No one suggests that buying one is a sin and is dishonest. I believe it is nice to support honest businesses over chinese counterfeiters who do not play by the rules. It goes both ways and I hope not to get stoned like last time about my positions also.
 
Buy it, don't buy it... I don't care. Stitch is 100% right about choosing our battles. I have plenty that concern me far more. I'm a HUGE BKC fan and I also don't care about the fake axis. I believe the biggest offender in that area is the same company that BKC contracted with to build their "red" line. Afaik Benchmade never had them building knives with the axis at all, so maybe it was pay back for cancelling the line? Who knows. Not my problem (again, I have plenty that I can call my own) and I doubt it hurts Benchmades bottom line anyway.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. :) I don't know. Either way I have a feeling that I'll find out from an angry crk fan or two...

Thanks David for saving me the trouble of looking that up.
 
It seems that this thread has gotten way off track from the OP's original intent. He posted his review of said device, and solicited comments regarding said device. Nothing was asked or suggested about the "morals" of the purchase. I would think if you had nothing to add regarding the ability to sharpen knives with the device, or something to say about the review itself that the OP may have left out, then why not just skip the conversation and go on with your lives. The OP did not ask your opinion about what you thought about the design or about the obvious similarities of the original Edge Pro or about your feelings of someone copying another design. That discussion has already been beaten to death on previous threads.

If I was to start a thread about what were your thoughts about the ability of a Buck 110 being able to skin a deer, and then you started talking about how much better a Kershaw Blur would do at skinning a deer. I did not ask about other knives, I ask about the Buck 110 specifically, and could care less about your thoughts about the Blur. Bottom line is to keep the conversation about the stated question. If you want to brag about your Blur, then start your own thread. Same concept about this thread. Your political or Moral view was not asked for. Shame on you! Go start your own thread (Again) about your own agenda.

Blessings,

Omar
 
Strigamort said:
Oh and there are some decent angle apps for smartphones if you're interested. Depending on your case they seem to work pretty well.
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Yes, I have one that I use when away from home. It's called "Theodolite" for the iPhone and it checks out to be more accurate than I'd ever need, measuring to 1/10 of a degree!

As I said before, even with the markings quite accurate on the EdgePro, I still check them, and I still modify my EdgePro using a stop collar, stones that I had cut by lapidary shops, and taping the deck. Just because it's the original, it doesn't mean it's the end-all/be-all. Competition is what makes product developers keep on improving their products. It also keeps the prices down.

Stitchawl
 
But is it really competition when one side funds all the R&D and development, and the other just clones 'em? That's theoretically what copyright law is supposed to protect. 'Cept that bit where China in general really doesn't give a **** about international law if they can make a buck.
 
They don't care about that, and they'll let you know you're wrong for talking about it on here. Like condoning it as a serviceable product on Bladeforums doesnt promote its sale. I have read from mods once or twice that BF doesn't support the sale of stolen IP goods, but here we are on the short end of the stick. If Ben Dale's company was a member of BF like Spyderco and Hinderer is, I bet this wouldn't be tolerated. They want a place where they can talk about it freely, where they can learn to use EdgePro stones on the fake one. To me its refreshing to see there are some who still are willing to purchase the real thing over the fake, and have the courage to respectfully say something about it here. Thanks Komitadjie.

It is already established that the copy can sharpen a knife. The OP has made his point, so why is this thread still being used? Is it now an homage thread where differing positions on the matter isn't allowed unless it mirrors that of the OP who has since disappeared after the first page?

Copied right down to the manual, and the thing doesn't even have a name. "Pro Sharpener" I believe its called. best to do is just to vote with your wallet.
 
I look at it this way, since the patent on the EP has expired I would buy the imitation if it was a quality piece. Hey, I buy generic drugs, why not a generic knife sharpening system. The problem here is you get what you pay for
 
I know this is an old thread, but I just want to say that I was given the knock off as a gift because I was struggling to get a very dull S30V knife sharp with my sharpmaker. After mentioning to my girlfriend that I wish I could afford an Edge Pro she found the knock off on ebay and got it for me...well in about 10 minutes the first time using it I had a shaving sharp knife. I can't comment to the quality of the stones versus the edge pro stones because I have never used the real deal, but the included stones have worked very well for me. I have not used the 180 yet, but using the 400, 800, and 1500 in around 10 minutes in inexperienced and sharpening challenged hands I can get a hazy mirror finish and shaving sharp knife. The stones seem to cut really well, because I use next to no pressure on the blade, mostly just the weight of the sharpening arm, and I always get a burr pretty quickly, on the 1500 grit I use only the weight of the arm. I honestly think with a little more time a mirror polish is possible. My method with this sharpener is to start with the 400 grit do 8-10 strokes per side until I have a burr and then decrease the number of strokes, and repeat for the remaining grits. Once I am done with the edge pro I will make between 3-5 passes on the sharpmaker UF stones, or if the burr is stubborn I'll do 3-5 on the fine and then UF stones. Finally I use my stropman HD with the green and white compound. I use 5 strokes per side, then 4, 3, 2, 1 on the coarse and then repeat on the fine side. Using that method I have gotten every knife I own shaving sharp in hardly any time...and trust me I suck at sharpening. I am not advocating buying the knockoff, but I personally did not want to drop the coin on the real deal and the figured since the knockoff was a gift I'd at least give it a try and if it sucked so what, but honestly it is VERY impressive. Since getting this I have seen other stone sets (120, 320, 600, 1200) that seem to be from the same maker for 13-15 bucks shipped, and would offer some additional grits to use. Again I'm not advocating buying or using my method but before I got this sharpener the sharpest I could get any knife regardless of steel was to slice printer paper.
 
Thanks for the review. I had been wondering about the discrepancy. There's no way I'd be able to afford the original, so I've asked for the new version this for my birthday. I figure it should match about as well.

Good to know I can switch to actual EP stones eventually.
 
If it's an illegal copy and IF I know it, I am supposed to ignore the crime because it is not hurting me directly? It's only the problem of the victim?

No more "Help me find my stolen knives" posts I guess.
 
boy,i never thought people would be so up in arms about the edge pro and its pat.i think most of us get upset when we pay top dollar for a product and some other person gets the same thing that dose basically the same thing for alot less money! case in point edge pro/clone',after reading this thread,i thought i should add my two cents to the debate, they ''the china copy'' have improved there copy of the edge copy, i got one last month,and it works vary well,but even before i had it in my hands!i new i had to replace the stones that came with it,i was right,there crap,so i ordered six EP stones 220 though 1000 and two blanks,that all you really need to do to make this kit work,this and my sharpmaker is probably all i will ever need!so its a copy,life is short,be happy and enjoy the ride.
 
Interesting thread. It's kind of nice to see some loyalty to the original designer and creator. However assuming Bens copyright is indeed expired, isn't it a bit over the top? I recognize that many of those objecting to a "knockoff" are indeed self employed and thus sympathetic to the struggle of the entrepreneur. I believe there is or was plenty of oppurtunity to renew the patent with some updates. That said, assuming Ben did indeed let the patent expire... Well, that's what happens. We don't live in 1957 anymore. In this day and age if you make a good product, you can expect copycat competition. I think Spyderco has presented the best solution... Make the copycats yourself, offer an entry level version. Having failed to see the value of such, Ben now has offshore knockoffs competing against his flagship product. You can make your own decisions about whom you do business with and why.

Let me say, I sincerely wish Ben and his company well. But I can admit, I'm just not able to justify the cost of "the real deal" in this case for an occasional use tool. If I were a pro, sure. But for a guy that just wants a means to put an edge on the kitchen knives etc. $170-200+ dollars is just too much of an investment. IMHO Ben should strongly consider a "Byrd line" if you will. Without that option, many will go for the "fake". It is what it is folks.

Let me just add this. If the patent has been renewed and this comes down to foreign patent infringement, it's really a bit different. (And in that case I apologize in advance for my ignorance).
 
Nogorn said:
Thanks. I was hoping bladeforums would be more troll free. I guess that no matter where you go there's always trolls. I will ignore them from now on and just keep trying to help people and push aside all the idiots.
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Huh? You posted a review and we are posting our opinions. That is not trolling buckwheat.

I do not agree one bit with your assessment of using cloned/copied/counterfeited items........................................sorry
 
Nogorn said:
Its not Counterfeit. They never once claim its an edge pro. They just used the design. And yeah it is ok to buy it because its every bit as good as the edge pro...
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See here is what you guys that buy clones dont think about. I guess when it happens to you or someone close to you then your tune may change. You are supportinmg theft and steeling is one of teh worst things IMO. Unles they got permission to to use that design which I highly doubt they have stolen it. That is a fact not an opinion and if you buy said item you are supporting theft. Now if they would tweak the design a bit its a different story but if they are exactly the same then yes its wrong. Put yourself in the real makers shoes. Say you stay up late at the shop for months sometimes years designing something. You miss time with your family and children. Sometimes fighting with the wife because you spend to much time at the shop and then finally your dream comes true. You finish your design and put it on the market. Then BAM some China company buys one and clones it steeling all of your hard work while they did none. They take money from your pocket and profit off of all of your hard work. Now if you think thats OK I think there is something wrong with you or anyone that feels doing that is OK. Its theft any way you look at it and supporting a thief is something I will not do. I really hope this opens someones eyes a little. Either save for the real deal or find another sharpener. Under no circumstance does it make it OK to support a thief just becuaes you want a design and arent willing to pay what the real maker charges. Hell yes they charge more. They paid a shit ton of money for RnD while the thief got all of that for free. Rant Over
 
Honest Reviews said:
See here is what you guys that buy clones dont think about. I guess when it happens to you or someone close to you then your tune may change. You are supportinmg theft and steeling is one of teh worst things IMO. Unles they got permission to to use that design which I highly doubt they have stolen it. That is a fact not an opinion and if you buy said item you are supporting theft. Now if they would tweak the design a bit its a different story but if they are exactly the same then yes its wrong. Put yourself in the real makers shoes. Say you stay up late at the shop for months sometimes years designing something. You miss time with your family and children. Sometimes fighting with the wife because you spend to much time at the shop and then finally your dream comes true. You finish your design and put it on the market. Then BAM some China company buys one and clones it steeling all of your hard work while they did none. They take money from your pocket and profit off of all of your hard work. Now if you think thats OK I think there is something wrong with you or anyone that feels doing that is OK. Its theft any way you look at it and supporting a thief is something I will not do. I really hope this opens someones eyes a little. Either save for the real deal or find another sharpener. Under no circumstance does it make it OK to support a thief just becuaes you want a design and arent willing to pay what the real maker charges. Hell yes they charge more. They paid a shit ton of money for RnD while the thief got all of that for free. Rant Over
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Pretty meaty second post, I guess you must drive a model T.
I own an edge pro but if the patent is gone by I don't see furor. So many products are based on an original design, where do you draw the line?

Russ
 
Nogorn said:
Thanks. I was hoping bladeforums would be more troll free. I guess that no matter where you go there's always trolls. I will ignore them from now on and just keep trying to help people and push aside all the idiots.
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Offering opinions is not trolling. "idiots" is over the line. Blocked.
 
Honest Reviews said:
See here is what you guys that buy clones dont think about. I guess when it happens to you or someone close to you then your tune may change. You are supportinmg theft and steeling is one of teh worst things IMO. Unles they got permission to to use that design which I highly doubt they have stolen it. That is a fact not an opinion and if you buy said item you are supporting theft. Now if they would tweak the design a bit its a different story but if they are exactly the same then yes its wrong. Put yourself in the real makers shoes. Say you stay up late at the shop for months sometimes years designing something. You miss time with your family and children. Sometimes fighting with the wife because you spend to much time at the shop and then finally your dream comes true. You finish your design and put it on the market. Then BAM some China company buys one and clones it steeling all of your hard work while they did none. They take money from your pocket and profit off of all of your hard work. Now if you think thats OK I think there is something wrong with you or anyone that feels doing that is OK. Its theft any way you look at it and supporting a thief is something I will not do. I really hope this opens someones eyes a little. Either save for the real deal or find another sharpener. Under no circumstance does it make it OK to support a thief just becuaes you want a design and arent willing to pay what the real maker charges. Hell yes they charge more. They paid a shit ton of money for RnD while the thief got all of that for free. Rant Over
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Copying a property that is not legally protected is not theft. That's my opinion and the opinion of the courts. So thank you for your opinion. I sympathize with it even as I know it carries no weight in the courts.
 
Sorry to bring this back up but I wanted to add the link to the patent so people can see it expired 2010.

Ben Dale I hope was able to make hay in the 20 years he had exclusivity to his design.

If I were him I would view the generic units made to the T in the same manor as a compliment and proof my design set an "industry standard" system for sharpening blades.

Most people do not understand copyright, trademarks , or patents and that's ok, and reason no one should get too upset. Like it was said, do you take generic drugs ? It's the same as this situation (prices are comparable as well).

I think it was two weeks ago on the popular show "Blacklist" a hacker "terrorist" had hacked the US patent and trade office and if they didn't save the day all the patents in the top secret government archives would be released to the public, ruining the economy.

Apparently the writers of "blacklist" did not know all patents are online and free for all to read.

In fact there are inventions that if specialized and unique enough the company will never patent, because you reveal his w it's made.

There is no patent of coca-cola, ever tasted generic coke that's the same ?

There is no patent for tempur pedic brand memory foam. Those that use memory foam and have tried many brands can attest that there's something about the tempurpedic foam that no one can seem to replicate, and it holds its shape far longer than generic.

Anyway I'm rambling but just basically wanted to add the info on the patents so people can realize there is no crime here or rule breaking , only lack of or adherence to "brand loyalty " to by the generic.
 
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