Fake or Real damascus knife?

Discussion in 'Custom & Handmade Knives' started by Tommy07, Jan 8, 2016.

  1. Ebbtide

    Ebbtide

    Aug 20, 1999
    Define "make"
    He could've bought the PakiBlade and put the handle on it himself and therefor says he "made" it.
    Stick around, there's lots to learn.

    And BTW, no reason to hate the knife you bought.
    I have plenty of "lesser" & similar specimens that mean plenty to me.
     
  2. Tommy07

    Tommy07

    81
    Jan 8, 2016
    So guys, I had a phone call with the guy and it went pretty much like this:

    "Hey man, did you really make the knife?"
    "Yes, of course I did that.."

    "...Because I showed it to some experts and they say it's more like made in Pakistan..."

    "ehm, uhm, eh... ok, yes sometimes we import knives from a German dude..."

    ..... Lesson learned. End of story. Thank you all for opening my eyes. You were right.



    PS: I paid 100 euro this knife, I will give it back. It prolly worth 30 euro.
    Note to myself: Buy the knife, not the tale.
     
  3. BladeScout

    BladeScout

    May 16, 2010
    Stick around and absorb more about knives from the members here. You will soon be able to tell quality from non-quality knives with a little time spent here. Then Youll be able to get a good deal on a quality knife the next time - maybe buy from a trusted member on the sales forum here.

    There You go:)
     
  4. Tommy07

    Tommy07

    81
    Jan 8, 2016
    Today I met the man who sold me the first knife (made in Pakistan). He apologized and wanted to meet me in a cafe in Warsaw giving me back the money first and foremost, on the table. He brought some new knives, this time he made sure to have only knives made by him in Poland. I accepted a change with another knife (last one in the pic) at the same price. It seems very different from the previous one and I tried to cut the classic piece of paper: razor sharp. I'd like to know what you think of my new one hoping not to have in my hand again a great "PAKISTANI SPECIAL CRAPMASCUS"! Good day to all of you.

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  5. LX_Emergency

    LX_Emergency KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 28, 2007
    Somehow these look like Pakistani blades with european handles on em. I can't be sure however. Whatever they are the blades are better finished than the last one.

    And the first two pictures you showed don't look pakistani at all.

    However...buyer beware. The man tried to scam you once.......

    Get scammed once shame on you, get scammed twice, shame on me.
     
  6. brownshoe

    brownshoe I support this site with my MIND

    Sep 6, 2002
    Well it's better than some Paki knives. To me the thick steel stock is not "European" style but definitely is Paki. His other original knives were full flat grind, but the current one is not.
     
  7. Tommy07

    Tommy07

    81
    Jan 8, 2016
    thing is I asked him 3 times because i wanted to be very sure about it and he swear that this hunting knife was made in Poland, not by him but by another guy who work with him. He added I can show it to whoever I want cause he promises is entirely made in Poland. guys...I don't know what to believe at this point. But yeah, I like the knife and I'll keep it.
     
  8. LX_Emergency

    LX_Emergency KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 28, 2007
    If you like it then there's nothing wrong with keeping it.

    Even if it's Pakistani made that doesn't mean that it's always bad quality. I've seen poor, terrible and pretty good Pakistani knives.
     
  9. robgmn

    robgmn

    Oct 30, 2015
    A positive thread for me. As soon as I read the post about welded layers, I read a bit on what Damascus used to be and what it "became".
    I always knew it as what it "became" back in the 70's.
    Learn something new every day!
     
  10. VanDammet

    VanDammet

    Jun 30, 2015
    First of all, this is a great thread....very interesting & very cool to see the story progress, & progress with pics too - well reported on your part. So, I feel the exact same way most posters here do...this new blade (esp. the blade...but jeez, the bolsters & scales aren't anything this guy - or the guy he knows - should be all that proud of either) you got just screams Paki to me, every bit as much if not more so than the first blade did, but, ya never know unless you actually know, right?

    The main point I wanted to make to you is this - please go to the Fixed Blade Exchange here on BF - it'll change your life brother! You can trust all of the makers, they are, to a man, good men...does that sentence make sense?? I've purchased more than a few fixed blades from more than a few of these makers & I have LOVED every experience, & every knife is a 10/10. I'm going to throw out the "no offense" line here, & I mean it, the last thing I want to do is hurt your feelings....but the makers on the FB Exchange here create pieces that simply leave both the first & second knife you purchased in the proverbial dust. BTW, several of the knives I've purchased have been from Polish & Croatian makers, and I couldn't be happier with those knives & those men....Bladeforums is just the perfect place for great makers around the world to share their talents - buy from Bladeforums, not from old men you meet on the streets....that's a saying that I've lived by for, about 30 seconds now...feel free to use it & best of luck bro!!
     
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  11. Tommy07

    Tommy07

    81
    Jan 8, 2016
    thanks man, i really appreciate it. i will use FBE here on BF that's for sure and thanks for the kind words! You know what's cool?.. tomorrow im going to meet again this dude. prolly he or his friend made the whole knife im quite sure about that but perhaps he didnt forged himself the steel of this particularly hunting knife i got.. he could have use just a paki damascus blank what do u think?? i will ask.

    stay tuned for a new update! :emot-yarr:
     
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  12. cchu518

    cchu518 Basic Member Basic Member

    Mar 6, 2013
    If you like fixed blades there's a maker on the forum from around your parts that make some really incredibly knives. Legit knives. They're not Damascus or etched but you can use them as you would a fixed blade with no quality issues.
     
  13. Tommy07

    Tommy07

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    Jan 8, 2016
    hi thnx what's his name?
     
  14. cchu518

    cchu518 Basic Member Basic Member

    Mar 6, 2013
    Kosa_pl out of Poland! Sadowski knives. He's in the knife makers section on the forum. A buddy on bf ordered like 4 of them, lol. He's using some interesting steels to like N690.
     
  15. bflying

    bflying Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 4, 2014
    This is what happens all too often with damascus. A guy that has been grinding knives from steel bars, wants to get into the damascus scene. So he buys some pattern welded bars, and does his own grinding and finish work. Is it not his own hand made knife? Maybe later he starts forging his own patterns. Is it more custom?

    Still others just starting out in a craft/hobby, buys some pre-ground blanks. Does his own tweaks, finish work, and sends them out for heat treat. Now makes his own hand crafted handle/scale for the knife. Is this his own hand made knife? Well partially at least.

    So how are these advertised? I would bet the first example is sold as a pure custom, regardless that the steel was not personally forged. Most non-damascus makers rightfully claim a knife as their own as long as the major grinding and finish work is theirs. Even though they did not personally forge or extrude that raw material.

    So who is to say? There is a very good chance that many makers (especially for tourist traps) are really just using pre-ground blanks, that could have come from anywhere. Other do their own work.

    Also, while I love the look of damascus, if you get technical, am I holding a forge welded pattern (hammered or pressed), a laser etched pattern, or that elusive hammer forged damascus in which the technique was lost centuries ago?

    It all comes down to what you like, and what the value is to you. But then again I'm not collecting for any investment reasons....I just buy what I like and can afford.
     
  16. VanDammet

    VanDammet

    Jun 30, 2015
    Exactly, he's a great maker....& there are at least two other makers from Poland who routinely post their knives: 1) Jamall...his knives are super clean, & works in Elmax a lot & 2) Bona - all three of these guys are great. Poland is a hotbed of knife talent, as is Croatia...my very favorite EDC fixed was made for me by Mika of Croatia recently, & for a shockingly reasonable price too. I'd of course list the U.S.A. as by far #1 on this list, but Poland, Croatia, & other great far away lands represent themselves with distinction as well.

    Tommy07 - I wouldn't be at all surprised if he did use an existing blade & build your knife from that...then again, he may have legitimately made the thing 100% with his own hands (though it is very common, in fact more common than not, for makers to use the "Damascus"/layered steels chunks from guys who do nothing but produce these steels & then shape the blades & build the knife - but they credit the provider of that blade material in their sales posts). One thing seems to be certain - the man that sold you the knife/ves mislead you, at least once. So, if I were you, I'd give him like 7 or 8 more chances, but no more than that (American sarcasm).
     
  17. Mecha

    Mecha Titanium Bladesmith Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 27, 2013
    Lots of really nice handmade knives from Eastern European makers.
     
  18. cchu518

    cchu518 Basic Member Basic Member

    Mar 6, 2013
    Kosa's Gryphon model is super interesting, depending on my summer plans this year I'd love to pick one up for a few camping trips!
     
  19. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    I was hopeful we could get through this thread without someone using the disparaging term, 'Paki'. Unfortunately not.
     
  20. Ebbtide

    Ebbtide

    Aug 20, 1999
    Anyway, I'm glad the OP likes his new knife.
    Good luck with it :)
     
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