Fake or Real damascus knife?

Discussion in 'Custom & Handmade Knives' started by Tommy07, Jan 8, 2016.

  1. Doug C

    Doug C

    Mar 15, 2005
    Ebbtide,

    The term Paki is usually used to disparage Pakistani immigrants to Britain. :)

    Doug
     
  2. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    To answer your first question, I suppose this thread could be reported for contravening the rules regarding racism.
    Personally, I prefer to call it out and bring attention to the fact that the way we use words matter, and that certain descriptors are crass and unsuitable for public, (in the case of this forum, global) discourse.

    As for your second question, when I was in elementary school, I had several friends who took offence to being called 'Paki' day in and day out as an insult, regardless of whether or not they were from Pakistan, India, Indonesia etc.
    Ali, who was from Pakistan, was my closest friend and I know it bothered him a lot.
    So, in answer to the question, as far as I know, 'Paki' has been a disparaging word since I was in elementary school.
    But then again, before that, I was far too immature to know the difference ;)
     
  3. Tommy07

    Tommy07

    81
    Jan 8, 2016
    UPDATE:

    Really, I don't know where to start. The issue came to an end: the second knife is Pakistani too. yes.

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    Mr. Marcin who is the man who makes these type of beautiful knives called me personally (he is also reading the forum)

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    and gave me confirmation of this and he was not happy about the whole story. Yes, because I have been cheated by a third person who goes around selling Pakistani knives (to gullible like me, yes) saying that they are made by Mr. Marcin (which is not true), however it is not at all like that. Mr. Marcin has nothing to do with that story, someone is using his name and his fame to do this type of activity.


    Beautiful story isn't it? I learned something for sure, I hope this thing will be useful to someone else in the future.

    THANKS MARCIN for your phone call!
    http://kowalstwo-koszalin.pl/page19.php


    You all have a good day, without you I would never have managed to get to the truth! cheers!
     
  4. BladeScout

    BladeScout

    May 16, 2010
    If possible, get your money back (again) and run -dont walk- away from the seller.

    Only buy from a reputable seller. Some good advice in this thread about where to turn.
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2016
  5. BladeScout

    BladeScout

    May 16, 2010
    With all due respect, Lorien; Im pretty sure nobody here meant any disrespect, though Im sure they can fight their own battles.

    The term 'Paki' is very derogatory in the UK and the Pakistani influence there vastly different - might You be influenced by that fact.

    I suggest its a cultural thing.

    I certainly dont perceive any racist remarks in this thread.
     
  6. cchu518

    cchu518 Basic Member Basic Member

    Mar 6, 2013
    Being Chinese American and probably the only Chinese American who has visited Lahore, Pakistan and Chennai, India in the forim I can assure you that it's not commonly used as a derogatory slur in the US.

    I've had friends in NYC call themselves Paki for short.
     
  7. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    It's a shame that the guy fleeced you twice

    I hope you can return the knife not because of its origin but because it was falsely represented

    There are many reputable makers out there and you seem to be on your way to find one...... Good luck
     
  8. Doug C

    Doug C

    Mar 15, 2005
    That's how I feel as well. :thumbup:

    Doug
     
  9. braillediver

    braillediver Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 6, 2007
    Thanks for the updates and sorry about the hassles.

    Your second knife was probably assembled \ finished in Poland from parts sourced from other places.

    The second knife pictured above with the stag handle by Mr. Marcin is beautiful.

    Good luck with this and you're showing admirable patience and composure.
     
  10. Jon Brand

    Jon Brand Gold Member Gold Member

    May 28, 2007
    I recently had a Pakistani guy BEGGING me on Facebook messanger to buy his knives because as he says he's poor. He would not stop even after I said I would never buy a knife from Pakistan. His profile had photos of burning Jewish flags. I think I responded with rascism and I have no problem with that. Lots of scumbags out there. These guys earn their reputations.
     
  11. Doug C

    Doug C

    Mar 15, 2005
    I hope it was a zinger, Jon. :D

    That was my mistake on FB, accepting all "friend requests".
    Unless I know they are a crook or a schmuck, hey I know it's FB and you're gonna' get spammed.

    I just delete it, Rayban sunglasses, etc. But I got barraged by about a half dozen Pakistani knifemakers.
    ALL making the finest looking, best performing Damascus obtainable anywhere.
    I asked them about their testing and told 'em to send me one and if I liked it I'd buy it.

    Haven't ever heard back, from any of them.

    Who are the top Pakistani knife makers on BladeForums ? :confused:

    Doug
     
  12. robgmn

    robgmn

    Oct 30, 2015
    More learned every day.

    If the Brits adopt a term as derogatory, does that mean the world should follow suit and no longer use that term?
    Interesting.

    I suppose the Brits have stopped calling cigarettes "fags" because the US turned it into a derogatory term?

    Either way, good to see that the new guy didn't get totally turned off by people here immediately insulting him and his knives...
     
  13. LX_Emergency

    LX_Emergency KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 28, 2007
    The Scots still call cigarettes fags...But then there's a people who never cared about what others think of them lol.
     
  14. Tommy07

    Tommy07

    81
    Jan 8, 2016
    I understood what people were trying to tell me (some say protect me)..so no offense taken, indeed I thank them.
     
  15. LX_Emergency

    LX_Emergency KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 28, 2007
    I'm sorry if what I said was offensive. I wasn't going for that at all. I was a bit blunt, that's true. Glad it's all working out for you now though.
     
  16. SharpByCoop

    SharpByCoop Enjoying the discussions Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 8, 2001
    On page 2/Post 24 you initially (now edited out) showed a series of three knives, purportedly made by the same maker. Right? He had you choose this one.

    One of them had a lot of skill in the grinds: long and flowing. This one above ^^^ showed none of that skill.

    I could see it a mile away and I wasn't convinced they were produced by the same person. No way.

    However, I decided that saying anything would be adding more disappointments to an already disappointing transaction. Let it ride...

    Tommy, you have been very diligent and have kept a good attitude. I like you. :)

    I hope you get some REAL quality in your possession soon.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  17. Ebbtide

    Ebbtide

    Aug 20, 1999
    1. Not wanting to have this discourse is why I immediately edited my confrontational post.
    7 minutes later to be exact.
    Since we've been dragged off topic anyway...

    2. I honestly had no idea that this was anyway a derogatory term. Brit, Paki, Afghani, all shortened forms of a country of origin, to me at least. I live in the most ethnically diverse county in the country and never heard or saw otherwise.

    Yet I shall say...
    I stand corrected.

    A wrong has been set right.
    Now there can be peace in the valley. Good will towards fellow man.
    Everybody sing! Kumbaya...

    If Lorien feels the need to report this thread, do so.


    Again.
    No slur intended. Not being an anglophile my knowledge of Brit(isn) slurs is lacking. However, I do know the difference between pants and trousers.

    I also humbly suggest my grade school experience in 1960's NYC was vastly different from Lorien's.

    Again none intended.

    Apparently jumping on the new guy is OK...

    ANYWAY (again), I hope the OP comes away with this as a positive experience even if that particular purchase wasn't.

    Back to knives?
     
  18. Tommy07

    Tommy07

    81
    Jan 8, 2016
    Thank you Sir, I like you too. There's a lot to learn here.. I'll stick around if you don't mind.
     
  19. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    to be clear, the last sentence in my post was not directed at you, but at those who use the pejorative term I identified.

    And to Tommy07, I'd like to echo Coop's comment:thumbup:
     
  20. cchu518

    cchu518 Basic Member Basic Member

    Mar 6, 2013
    Did you check out those Polish knife makers? It's good to support their works! Besides that their blades are pretty nice!
     

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