Fallkniven F1 or RAT-5

Oh how freaking lame, Knifecenter sent me an email saying the item is on backorder and I have to wait another week for it to be shipped! god damn it, now there's no way I'll have it for my camping trip.
 
Squeezymo said:
Oh how freaking lame, Knifecenter sent me an email saying the item is on backorder and I have to wait another week for it to be shipped! god damn it, now there's no way I'll have it for my camping trip.
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I'd phone New Graham tomorrow morning - they'll check their stock on the knife - then have them use an expedited shipping method.

www.newgraham.com

Alternatively, if you order from www.kniveshipfree.com - by phone - they could probably overnight the knife to you (if they have it in stock, obviously).

Knife Outlet is another reliable dealer and they generally have stock.
http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/catalog/2478.htm
Telephone (ORDERS): (800) 607-9948
Telephone (Customer Service): (574) 656-4127

When ordering via the internet an item that I need, I tend to do it by phone.
Not every dealer has the capacity to keep a real-time inventory count on their website.
 
Theres still time to get an F1 instead of the S1!
You'll like it better, I promise.;)

F1 + pepper spray = no Mt. lion problems.
 
Ok what I did was order it off newgraham and now I'm going to cancel my order from knifecenter

Edit: How exactly do I cancel an order from knifecenter?
 
Squeezymo said:
Isn't the RAT thicker than the F1?
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I can't really remember off hand, but the rat's blade is much wider and flat ground, the F1 is just beefy, espically for the size, it was surprising actually but kind of pleasing as well, pictures do not do that blade justice.
 
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Squeezymo said:
Hmm, good responses. I will be in Arizona. Not much water here, rust isn't that much of an issue.
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Neither will your fighting off any mountain lions with it either:rolleyes: An old farm cat is plenty for most folks to fend off, let alone a 125+lb killing machine. Pretty much resign yourself to filing your will before you go off with a wee knife to a cat fight. A mountain lion's got ten knives up front to your 1, and ten more to follow with it's 2 hind legs once it DOES get your city butt on the ground:eek: Oh, and if you know nothing else about mountain lions before you head out they attack from the side or behind their prey after a silent stalk, just saying. You're not buying any peace of mind carrying a knife or a 22 pea shooter to a big cat fight:rolleyes:

Seems lots of these are popping up now that brokers are calling their clients:rolleyes:
 
That about sums it up.Predators live by being efficient killing machines.People live by being cradled by technology.
 
Cancelled the order.

Knife should be here on 20th. Can't freakin wait, but I have to. I'll probably have to modify the sheath for tip up carry.

And for heavens sake enough posts about "that won't defend you against mountain lions!" Of course a mountain lion has about a 80% chance of killing me if I am attacked. But a knife is better than no knife, right? I was just merely pointing out that a larger blade would make me feel more secure. Why do half the people that respond to this keep focusing on what I said about the mountain lions? If I'm attacked, which is highly, highly unlikely, then I'm going to fight and kick until the thing kills me. Mountain lions are discouraged by ferocious prey, and like I said, a knife is better than no knife.
 
Fallkniven S1 - good choice!

One question: why do you want to carry it inverted (tip up)?:confused:

A quote I read in a knife book once (don't remember which book):

Sure, an inverted knife on your gear looks cool in the morning, but an empty sheath in the evening just looks plain stupid...
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Jos said:
Fallkniven S1 - good choice!

One question: why do you want to carry it inverted (tip up)?:confused:

A quote I read in a knife book once (don't remember which book):
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Good question. When I go hiking, I do a lot of climbing where I have to get low to the ground and scrape through rocks, gravel and bushes. Usually when I do the scraping, I am doing it to my thigh/hip area, where my knife would be, and on the other hand, I tend to elevate my chest so that it scrapes the least amount. So to avoid scraping the knife handle and sheath I want to be able to wear it tip down on my camelbak/backpack strap.

It's not that I will always be wearing it tip up, it's just that I want that option. Of course when I'm camping, I want to be able to wear it on my belt, so I don't have to carry my pack around everywhere.

Plus I will probably have to mod the sheath for secure tip up carry

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Any ideas on modding it? I don't like the bottom part having the horizontal slot. but I figure I can put two studs in there to wrap around horizontalwise. And I may drill holes in the side for extra straps.
 
Squeezymo said:
And for heavens sake enough posts about "that won't defend you against mountain lions!" Of course a mountain lion has about a 80% chance of killing me if I am attacked. But a knife is better than no knife, right? I was just merely pointing out that a larger blade would make me feel more secure. Why do half the people that respond to this keep focusing on what I said about the mountain lions? If I'm attacked, which is highly, highly unlikely, then I'm going to fight and kick until the thing kills me. Mountain lions are discouraged by ferocious prey, and like I said, a knife is better than no knife.
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I think we may be getting these "that won't defend you" posts because folks see a lot of people with a false sense of security. I don't want to sound like a boring preacher, but there is one thing that I've (yes, even I :D ) managed to learn in life. And that is: you do not want to feel secure, you want to be secure. Feeling secure is the worst thing - it makes you complacent, and it doesn't help you at all. It's much better to either be secure and know it (not easily achieved), or be less than secure and know that, too. One inch of extra blade length will not help - if it makes you feel good, then it's a false sense of security. A firearm, preferably a one that packs some punch, is much better. But then, we can't all carry firearms. What I would recommend doing is use your backpack. A lot of predators, especially mountain lions, love attacking from the rear. The mountain lion will stalk you, and try to jump at you from behind, take you down by the neck and kill you quickly before he gets hurt by struggling prey. So, you put the backpack between you and him. It's really quite hard to bite your neck if there's a large backpack and a heavy sleeping bag or tent covering it from behind. Simple advice, but might save your life - or might not.
 
Inverted carry?Duct tape it to the shoulder strap of your pack.or use ranger bands.Para cord also works pretty well.(see attachment)
 

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Squeezymo said:
Any ideas on modding it? I don't like the bottom part having the horizontal slot. but I figure I can put two studs in there to wrap around horizontalwise. And I may drill holes in the side for extra straps.
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Why don't you get a aftermarket kydex sheath made somewhere? You could specially request it to be suitable for inverted carry.
 
Elen said:
I think we may be getting these "that won't defend you" posts because folks see a lot of people with a false sense of security. I don't want to sound like a boring preacher, but there is one thing that I've (yes, even I :D ) managed to learn in life. And that is: you do not want to feel secure, you want to be secure. Feeling secure is the worst thing - it makes you complacent, and it doesn't help you at all. It's much better to either be secure and know it (not easily achieved), or be less than secure and know that, too. One inch of extra blade length will not help - if it makes you feel good, then it's a false sense of security. A firearm, preferably a one that packs some punch, is much better. But then, we can't all carry firearms. What I would recommend doing is use your backpack. A lot of predators, especially mountain lions, love attacking from the rear. The mountain lion will stalk you, and try to jump at you from behind, take you down by the neck and kill you quickly before he gets hurt by struggling prey. So, you put the backpack between you and him. It's really quite hard to bite your neck if there's a large backpack and a heavy sleeping bag or tent covering it from behind. Simple advice, but might save your life - or might not.
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Well spoken, sir. But also, when I spoke of blade length, it had other things to do with buying the knife. I didn't want to purchase the F1 with that initial thought of "is it big enough?" I have a horrible case of buyer's remorse, and that's why I initially made the choice "quality and compact, or bulkier and longer?" So I took the middle ground. I am actually fully aware of how mountain lions stalk prey. When I went hiking with my dad when I was younger he just told me to fight like hell if you're attacked, assuming it doesn't bite your neck, or completely disable you with the first bite. Kick it, poke it in the eyes, etc. Whatver you gotta do. And still, a knife is better than no knife. I never said I would feel secure, but the reality is I would be about 4% more secure. You shouldn't be worried when you see the mountain lion, you should be worried when you don't see it.

BUT, I do agree with everyone that commented on it. The truth is, though, is that when I go hiking, I don't spend my whole time thinking "what if a mountain lion were here?" I can't stress enough that I did not buy my knife to defend myself, and the mountain lion thing played a very small roll in my knife choice. Very small. I am generally not worried about mountain lions. Yes I could get a gun, and pepper spray, but once again, I won't even have time to deploy those things if I am attacked from behind.

I like to hiking so I can enjoy the scenery and beat the hell out of myself. I don't go to play "pretend you're being hunted by a mountain lion." So for the last time: I did not buy this knife to defend myself against mountain lions!!!!

And thanks for all the advice on the sheath. I don't currently have any parachord at the moment, but I can probably go pick some up. Duct tape is a great idea, seeing as how I use it to fix everything, and although I don't want to tape it to my pack, I can construct some good straps out of two layers stuck together. I don't know, I'll figure it out.

I'm going camping on thursday, the day my knife comes, so I won't really have to worry about it, because I will be wearing it around my belt for the trip.


How expensive would an aftermarket kyde sheath run? I don't want to buy something if I can make the sheath I already got useful.
 
Hold the phone!

Everyone is referring to the Ontario Rat-5 as the only horse in the stall.

Rat Cutlery has the original Rat line. It is called the RC-5 and it has no choil.http://www.ratcutlery.com/rc-5.htm

I just recieved their RC-4 with orange handles and I can say it impressed me very much. It is my top knife of 29 very good ones.

However, I do not have and have never handled the S1 but I am absolutely sure that it is a fantastic knife.

Fallkniven is on the top af my lists of knife to absolutely have. I had the U2 and going by their cheapest production knife I would say their more expensive ones must be from outer space. The white PXL is in my dreams and the Tre Kronor with stag handle. Next is the F1 and the NL5.

Gorgeus knifes. :)
 
I too have the F1 and I recently went through the same question Rat or Fallkniven. I choose the fallkniven, I thought it was better steel, more resistant to rust and wear, a better "any environment knife, hense being a swiss pilot's survival knife. The S1 seems to be its big brother so I would go with that one. I still want a RC-4 but considering the rust factor of the 1095 steel, i want something i don;t have to worry about.
 
What about the Benchmade Fixed Griptillian Knive...seems like a nice blade for the woods and such as well. D-2 Steel a nice inbetween.
 
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