Family Fights Cops after knives nixed at fun park

Well heck, if the media says it, then it must be 100% true, right? Because everyone knows you can always trust the media to get the story right.

And since the information being offered in that report comes entirely from a police department spokesperson (every statement ends with "police said"), then naturally you can believe every word of it, because police NEVER lie or exaggerate.

I have no idea what exactly happened, because I wasn't there, I haven't seen the family's side of the story, and I haven't seen any statements from any unbiased witnesses.

It really is disturbing how quick people are to jump to conclusions, and condemn fellow citizens, and fellow knife owners, based on nothing more than one, single-sided news report told entirely from the perspective of the police.

I imagine that if anyone in this thread were arrested for some offense, that they would want the presumption of innocence. I'm sure you wouldn't want the public to judge, and condemn you, based on one, single-sided news report.

Recently, a member shared a story here in General Discussion about an incident where he was trimming a tree with a machete and a neighbor called the cops on him. Fortunately for that member the cop who responded was cool and recognized how silly the neighbor was being. But imagine for a moment if that cop had been some overzealous rookie, or some major a-hole, and the guy got arrested. The story reported by the media, as told by the cops, might have been "A man armed with a machete was arrested for brandishing a weapon in a residential neighborhood". And after reading that story here on Bladeforums, I imagine a lot of people would jump to conclusions and say "What an idiot", "What a whacko", "They should lock that guy up in a padded cell". But those people would be wrong wouldn't they? Because he was just a guy trimming a tree.

It's amazing how people are so quick to criticize the media for being unreliable, yet they are so quick to believe the media when they have something negative to say about someone.
 
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Rather than dropping a link then running, why not add something to the discussion rather than leaving a reading assignment for everyone?
 
From the story and mugshots I'd say this may be a family who allows their 14 year old daughter to smoke at the breakfast table in front of her children. No doubt there are tobacco stains on both sides of their pickup.
 
killgar said:
Well heck, if the media says it, then it must be 100% true, right? Because everyone knows you can always trust the media to get the story right.

And since the information being offered in that report comes entirely from a police department spokesperson (every statement ends with "police said"), then naturally you can believe every word of it, because police NEVER lie or exaggerate.

I have no idea what exactly happened, because I wasn't there, I haven't seen the family's side of the story, and I haven't seen any statements from any unbiased witnesses.

It really is disturbing how quick people are to jump to conclusions, and condemn fellow citizens, and fellow knife owners, based on nothing more than one, single-sided news report told entirely from the perspective of the police.

I imagine that if anyone in this thread were arrested for some offense, that they would want the presumption of innocence. I'm sure you wouldn't want the public to judge, and condemn you, based on one, single-sided news report.

Recently, a member shared a story here in General Discussion about an incident where he was trimming a tree with a machete and a neighbor called the cops on him. Fortunately for that member the cop who responded was cool and recognized how silly the neighbor was being. But imagine for a moment if that cop had been some overzealous rookie, or some major a-hole, and the guy got arrested. The story reported by the media, as told by the cops, might have been "A man armed with a machete was arrested for brandishing a weapon in a residential neighborhood". And after reading that story here on Bladeforums, I imagine a lot of people would jump to conclusions and say "What an idiot", "What a whacko", "They should lock that guy up in a padded cell". But those people would be wrong wouldn't they? Because he was just a guy trimming a tree.

It's amazing how people are so quick to criticize the media for being unreliable, yet they are so quick to believe the media when they have something negative to say about someone.
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I agree. A family who physically attacked police officers after causing a scene because they tried to carry weapons into a family amusement park is EXACTLY the same situation as a woman calling the cops because a member here was using a machete to trim up some trees in his yard. This entire story is a fabrication because not only should we not trust the police or the media, but every story they report is an outright lie.

Got it. :thumbup:
 
And by the way Killgar, a more candid response is: where I live, I see people who look like that, causing scenes in public places all the time through a combination of entitlement, ignorance, and pride. So, I am unsurprised that it happens elsewhere. I recognize my personal bias, and am comfortable with it. Also, I recognize that you might be one of those "Question authority, and all of what you read" types, but for something that I actually don't care about, like the yokels in this story, I just don't bother.

But please, save the "We should be treating these people like fellow knife owners and considering them innocent until we have heard THEIR side of the story" nonsense, because golly gee, who wants to bet that their story is going to be one of total innocence? "We was jes' mind'n ah'r own bidness when dese pigs tried tah tayke ahr knahves! We wasn't havin' nunna that, and we done showed them! I tell you wut!"
 
Quiet said:
I agree. A family who physically attacked police officers after causing a scene because they tried to carry weapons into a family amusement park is EXACTLY the same situation as a woman calling the cops because a member here was using a machete to trim up some trees in his yard. This entire story is a fabrication because not only should we not trust the police or the media, but every story they report is an outright lie.

Got it. :thumbup:
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Has there been a trial? Has the family told their side of the story? Have any witness statements been released? Because all I see is a one-sided statement from the police. Personally, I need more than that before I judge and condemn people.

And if you don't see how things might go badly for a person in possession of a machete, in a residential neighborhood, if the cops are called, especially if the wrong cops show up, then you don't get it. The fact is, anytime the cops respond to a report of a man brandishing a weapon, there is always the potential for disaster. And I wouldn't expect the media to be unbiased in their reporting, or tell a version of the story that is favorable to the guy with the machete.

I don't know the family involved, they could be completely in the wrong for all I know. But that's just it- I don't know, because I wasn't there, and I've only seen one side of the story. If you choose to believe every media report you read on the internet, or every press release from the cops, and base your judgement of people on that, that's certainly your prerogative. I prefer to wait for more facts before I pass judgement on other people, and on other knife owners. But that's just me.
 
killgar said:
Has there been a trial? Has the family told their side of the story? Have any witness statements been released? Because all I see is a one-sided statement from the police. Personally, I need more than that before I judge and condemn people.

And if you don't see how things might go badly for a person in possession of a machete, in a residential neighborhood, if the cops are called, especially if the wrong cops show up, then you don't get it. The fact is, anytime the cops respond to a report of a man brandishing a weapon, there is always the potential for disaster. And I wouldn't expect the media to be unbiased in their reporting, or tell a version of the story that is favorable to the guy with the machete.

I don't know the family involved, they could be completely in the wrong for all I know. But that's just it- I don't know, because I wasn't there, and I've only seen one side of the story. If you choose to believe every media report you read on the internet, or every press release from the cops, and base your judgement of people on that, that's certainly your prerogative. I prefer to wait for more facts before I pass judgement on other people, and on other knife owners. But that's just me.
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I wish we were all such good, noble, non judgemental folks like you. :thumbup:

Not to mention logical. Logical also. "I'll simply condemn this story of what actually happened, while comparing it to some hypothetical "what might have happened" scenerio!" Good times. Anyway, I'm done here. Passive aggressive annoyances bore me.
 
OP, we can only assume that you fully support the family and believe that we should fully stand behind them as normal representatives of members of the knife hobby. We are left to assume that you would have done the same under the circumstances and think that everyone here should, too. :rolleyes:
 
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And by the way Killgar, a more candid response is: where I live, I see people who look like that, causing scenes in public places all the time through a combination of entitlement, ignorance, and pride. So, I am unsurprised that it happens elsewhere. I recognize my personal bias, and am comfortable with it. Also, I recognize that you might be one of those "Question authority, and all of what you read" types, but for something that I actually don't care about, like the yokels in this story, I just don't bother.
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So you judge the character and guilt of total strangers based on a single picture of them posted on the internet, and you're comfortable with that. Well, that's certainly your right. But I wouldn't be proud of it.

And for someone who doesn't care, you sure have a lot to say about it.

But please, save the "We should be treating these people like fellow knife owners and considering them innocent until we have heard THEIR side of the story" nonsense, because golly gee, who wants to bet that their story is going to be one of total innocence? "We was jes' mind'n ah'r own bidness when dese pigs tried tah tayke ahr knahves! We wasn't havin' nunna that, and we done showed them! I tell you wut!"
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Yeah, crazy me, I actually believe in the notion of "innocent until proven guilty". And if that is a rare belief to have in this country, more's the pity.
 
JNewell said:
OP, we can only assume that you fully support the family and believe that we should fully stand behind them as normal representatives of members of the knife hobby. We are left to assume that you would have done the same under the circumstances and think that everyone here should, too. :rolleyes:
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I just had a terrible thought...

I suppose those morons own guns too....... :eek:

And they were allowed to reproduce......
 
killgar said:
So you judge the character and guilt of total strangers based on a single picture of them posted on the internet, and you're comfortable with that. Well, that's certainly your right. But I wouldn't be proud of it.

And for someone who doesn't care, you sure have a lot to say about it.

Yeah, crazy me, I actually believe in the notion of "innocent until proven guilty". And if that is a rare belief to have in this country, more's the pity.
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Listen, you should probably stop talking. Or should I just post your bleating in the ivory thread where you judge people who don't share your opinions as "a lot of people in this world who only read the headlines, form their opinions based on those headlines, and don't bother to read any deeper"?

Hypocrites bore me.

P.S. Aren't you a felon? That would explain your instant "The cops are almost certainly lying, and these poor people are innocent" viewpoint.
 
Quiet said:
Listen, you should probably stop talking. Or should I just post your bleating in the ivory thread where you judge people who don't share your opinions as "a lot of people in this world who only read the headlines, form their opinions based on those headlines, and don't bother to read any deeper"?
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Be my guest, cross-quote something I posted in another thread if that's what you think you have to do to prove your point. By the way, I didn't pass judgement on anyone or call anyone any names in that other thread. What I did was point out the simple fact that people often form their opinions on matters based only on headlines. It is of course ironic that you would bring that up, because you are the one forming your opinion of people based on nothing more than a few photographs and a one-sided statement posted on the internet.

Hypocrites bore me.
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Sounds like a case of self-loathing to me.

P.S. Aren't you a felon? That would explain your instant "The cops are almost certainly lying, and these poor people are innocent" jive.
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Actually, you could not be more wrong about my opinion of cops. Because several times on this forum I have spoken in defense of the police, expressed my opinion that the vast majority of police are good people, and I have told stories of the very cool cops I have interacted with.

As far as your assumption that because I am a felon that I think all cops are lying, I'd say that's another perfect example of you judging people without knowing them, and without having all the facts.
 
killgar said:
Be my guest, cross-quote something I posted in another thread if that's what you think you have to do to prove your point. By the way, I didn't pass judgement on anyone or call anyone any names in that other thread. What I did was point out the simple fact that people often form their opinions on matters based only on headlines. It is of course ironic that you would bring that up, because you are the one forming your opinion of people based on nothing more than a few photographs and a one-sided statement posted on the internet.

Sounds like a case of self-loathing to me.

Actually, you could not be more wrong about my opinion of cops. Because several times on this forum I have spoken in defense of the police, expressed my opinion that the vast majority of police are good people, and I have told stories of the very cool cops I have interacted with.

As far as your assumption that because I am a felon that I think all cops are lying, I'd say that's another perfect example of you judging people without knowing them, and without having all the facts.
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As someone who came into this thread, and judged all of us who posted here for taking this story as generally factual, I maintain that it's amusing and ironic that you don't seem to see your hypocrisy. "I'm here to judge you folks for judging these strangers, just like I judged people on the internet in the Ivory ban thread".

And if you aren't a felon, are you an ex-felon, or do I have you mixed up with another member? I seem to recall you posting in a thread in another section that you had done time and aren't allowed to own firearms. Is that true? I might have you mixed up with someone else. If so, I apologize. If not, then I'm sorry, but that will explain your reaction in this thread. "The story came from the cops! It might be a lie!"

And it might not be. News gets reported every day. Someone shot this person, someone left their baby in a car, someone murdered someone else, someone beat their girlfriend. They're news stories. I'm not going to stop and think "Gee, maybe that poor person is innocent and the police and the media are in collusion to smear this person's good name! Until I see proof presented to me personally, I will believe they're innocent!" Hey, good on you for thinking the best of people. Me? I'm just going to go with "Well, this person has clearly done SOMEthing to end up having attracted police attention, and ended up in the news."

Don't want to be arrested or be on the news? Don't break the law. Seems pretty simple, and that's worked out pretty well so far for me. Seems like if only the Perry family there had followed that line of reasoning, there wouldn't be an article about them in the news.
 
Quiet said:
As someone who came into this thread, and judged all of us who posted here for taking this story as generally factual, I maintain that it's amusing and ironic that you don't seem to see your hypocrisy. "I'm here to judge you folks for judging these strangers, just like I judged people on the internet in the Ivory ban thread".

And if you aren't a felon, are you an ex-felon, or do I have you mixed up with another member? I seem to recall you posting in a thread in another section that you had done time and aren't allowed to own firearms. Is that true? I might have you mixed up with someone else. If so, I apologize. If not, then I'm sorry, but that will explain your reaction in this thread. "The story came from the cops! It might be a lie!"

And it might not be. News gets reported every day. Someone shot this person, someone left their baby in a car, someone murdered someone else, someone beat their girlfriend. They're news stories. I'm not going to stop and think "Gee, maybe that poor person is innocent and the police and the media are in collusion to smear this person's good name! Until I see proof presented to me personally, I will believe they're innocent!" Hey, good on you for thinking the best of people. Me? I'm just going to go with "Well, this person has clearly done SOMEthing to end up having attracted police attention, and ended up in the news."

Don't want to be arrested or be on the news? Don't break the law. Seems pretty simple, and that's worked out pretty well so far for me. Seems like if only the Perry family there had followed that line of reasoning, there wouldn't be an article about them in the news.
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Actually, I didn't pass judgement on anyone in this thread either. What I did was point out facts. Like the fact that people were judging and condemning people based on only one side of the story. That is in fact what people did, their posts are clear evidence of that. I don't believe I was passing judgement on people by pointing out the obvious.

But clearly your perception of my post is different than mine. If I am in fact guilty of passing judgement on people who posted in this thread, please provide a quote showing the sentence or paragraph where I passed said judgement. If you convince me that I am wrong I will be happy to admit it. And if you can't, then I will explain why you are wrong.

As far as our different opinions regarding the presumption of innocence, like I said, you are certainly entitled to your opinions. I'm not trying to change your mind, and you won't change mine. So I'm happy to agree to disagree on that issue.
 
killgar said:
Actually, I didn't pass judgement on anyone in this thread either. What I did was point out facts. Like the fact that people were judging and condemning people based on only one side of the story. That is in fact what people did, their posts are clear evidence of that. I don't believe I was passing judgement on people by pointing out the obvious.

But clearly your perception of my post is different than mine. If I am in fact guilty of passing judgement on people who posted in this thread, please provide a quote showing the sentence or paragraph where I passed said judgement. If you convince me that I am wrong I will be happy to admit it. And if you can't, then I will explain why you are wrong.

As far as our different opinions regarding the presumption of innocence, like I said, you are certainly entitled to your opinions. I'm not trying to change your mind, and you won't change mine. So I'm happy to agree to disagree on that issue.
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At this point Killgar, I just don't care anymore. This thread has gone from being about a family of scumbags who attacked a police officer because they weren't smart enough, or were too prideful to just walk their friggin' knives back to their car, to being about your judgement of me*, and a few others who were having fun at these clowns' expense, and my argument with you over it. Far as I'm concerned, I don't care about these people either way, and I actually don't come here to argue with people, even when they come into threads to try to lecture people. So, have a nice night, man. And you keep questioning the Man, and thinking everyone is an innocent little buttercup until proof is personally presented to you. It makes absolutely no difference to me, man.


*Sorry, you used the phrase "people" so as not to have to list out our names individually, even though that's exactly who you came in to try to chastise with your post.
 
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