Family Fights Cops after knives nixed at fun park

[killgar]

At this point Killgar, I just don't care anymore. This thread has gone from being about a family of scumbags who attacked a police officer because they weren't smart enough, or were too prideful to just walk their friggin' knives back to their car, to being about your judgement of me*, and a few others who were having fun at these clowns' expense, and my argument with you over it. Far as I'm concerned, I don't care about these people either way, and I actually don't come here to argue with people, even when they come into threads to try to lecture people. So, have a nice night, man. And you keep questioning the Man, and thinking everyone is an innocent little buttercup until proof is personally presented to you. It makes absolutely no difference to me, man.


*Sorry, you used the phrase "people" so as not to have to list out our names individually, even though that's exactly who you came in to try to chastise with your post.

So I guess that means that you CAN'T back up your accusation that I was judging people by providing any quotes of said judgement? Because you haven't posted any. Ok. Personally, if I were going to accuse another member of something on this forum, I would be sure to offer proof to back up my accusation. But that's just me.

And for someone who doesn't come here to argue with people, I certainly see you doing a lot of arguing with people. Both in this thread with me, and elsewhere.

As for myself, there's nothing good on tv, my girlfriend went out with her friends, the kids are visiting granny, so I've got all night to waste on this silliness.

 

[Neomentat]

Nah. I'm pretty sure those were the kind of people who think a Gerber is the best there is.

This family doesn't look like they could afford Gerber knives, it's most likely the flee market five bucks Chinese soft steel stuff.

And they're lucky they don't live in LA. LAPD would have gotten some trigger finger exercise at the first sign of a "gun grab" attempt on an Officer.

 

[Neomentat]

Well heck, if the media says it, then it must be 100% true, right? Because everyone knows you can always trust the media to get the story right.

And since the information being offered in that report comes entirely from a police department spokesperson (every statement ends with "police said"), then naturally you can believe every word of it, because police NEVER lie or exaggerate.

I have no idea what exactly happened, because I wasn't there, I haven't seen the family's side of the story, and I haven't seen any statements from any unbiased witnesses.

It really is disturbing how quick people are to jump to conclusions, and condemn fellow citizens, and fellow knife owners, based on nothing more than one, single-sided news report told entirely from the perspective of the police.

I imagine that if anyone in this thread were arrested for some offense, that they would want the presumption of innocence. I'm sure you wouldn't want the public to judge, and condemn you, based on one, single-sided news report.

Recently, a member shared a story here in General Discussion about an incident where he was trimming a tree with a machete and a neighbor called the cops on him. Fortunately for that member the cop who responded was cool and recognized how silly the neighbor was being. But imagine for a moment if that cop had been some overzealous rookie, or some major a-hole, and the guy got arrested. The story reported by the media, as told by the cops, might have been "A man armed with a machete was arrested for brandishing a weapon in a residential neighborhood". And after reading that story here on Bladeforums, I imagine a lot of people would jump to conclusions and say "What an idiot", "What a whacko", "They should lock that guy up in a padded cell". But those people would be wrong wouldn't they? Because he was just a guy trimming a tree.

It's amazing how people are so quick to criticize the media for being unreliable, yet they are so quick to believe the media when they have something negative to say about someone.

killgar, you're arguing "innocent until proven guilty" which is a complete different point. And if they're innocent they will be exonerated of their charges, otherwise they will serve whatever sentence the jury hands them.

THE FACTS ARE THESE: this family were arrested on the said charges in the article, unless you're disputing the validity of those charges to begin with which would make you an anti-government conspiracy theorist.

Sorry to break it to you dude, you're the one who's jumping to conclusions!!!

 

[kaotikross]

Ok, here's an idea, let's just go with what we "know" rather than hypotheses. 1. one or more family members had visible weapons, otherwise, there'd be no issue. 2. When confronted by law enforcement, someone at the VERY least got mouthy, otherwise, there'd be no issue. 3. "No weapons" was likely posted in highly visible locations and was a condition of entering the park, and the family did indeed try to enter the park WITH weapons, otherwise , no issue...see where this is going? Also, although I believe that SOME Law Enforcement Officers aren't fit to wear the badge, when we add up the sum of the facts here, I'm inclined to side with the cops. Let's say, at the very worst case scenario, someone employed at the park was an absolute unmitigated asshole, and confronted the family in a very snide and condescending manner about the knives..guess what? WALK AWAY and vote with your wallet. Get online and tell your story. Hard to do that from the County Jail.

 

[killgar]

killgar, you're arguing "innocent until proven guilty" which is a complete different point. And if they're innocent they will be exonerated of their charges, otherwise they will serve whatever sentence the jury hands them.

THE FACTS ARE THESE: this family were arrested on the said charges in the article, unless you're disputing the validity of those charges to begin with which would make you an anti-government conspiracy theorist.

Sorry to break it to you dude, you're the one who's jumping to conclusions!!!

The validity of criminal charges is not determined by the fact that an arrest was made or that charges were filed. The validity, or lack thereof, of criminal charges will be determined by the conviction or acquittal of the defendants, or by whether or not the charges are dropped.

You see, not everyone charged with a crime is guilty. And it's not at all unusual for prosecutors to drop charges after they have been filed.

And I don't consider giving people the presumption of innocence to be "jumping to conclusions". It is in fact one of the basic principles that our criminal justice system is based on. I don't consider myself, or anyone else who believes in that basic and cherished principle, to be an "anti-government conspiracy theorist". The very idea that a person in this country could be labeled as such for believing in that principle is truly scary.

 

[Neomentat]

The validity of criminal charges are not determined by the fact that an arrest was made or that charges were filed. The validity, or lack thereof, of criminal charges will be determined by the conviction or acquittal of the defendants, or by whether or not the charges are dropped.

You see, not everyone charged with a crime is guilty. And it's not at all unusual for prosecutors to drop charges.

And I don't consider giving people the presumption of innocence to be "jumping to conclusions". I consider it to be one of the basic principles that our criminal justice system is based on. I don't consider myself, or anyone else who believes in that basic and cherished principle, to be an "anti-government conspiracy theorist". The very idea that a person in this country could be labeled as such for believing in that principle is truly scary.

Dude, now you're just arguing for arguing sake, basically you just repeated what I already said. I've already stated these people will have their day in court and be judged. So either you misread my post or you misread my post.

By your original post you're accusing people here of making assumptions and jumping to conclusions when they condemn the reported behavior. On the contrary you're the one making THAT ASSUMPTION. Why can't people freely comment on articles reported in the news?

"Yeah, anything you read is going to be someone's opinion" and yours is exactly that, just the opinion of another person. But you're trying to stick up your opinion over others'.

And the truth of the matter is you don't know how things went down either, do you? You can't make the argument that these people are innocent or guilty one way or another. So let other people exercise their freedom of speech.

 

[killgar]

Dude, now you're just arguing for arguing sake, basically you just repeated what I already said. I've already stated these people will have their day in court and be judged. So either you misread my post or you misread my post.

Or the charges will be dropped and they won't be judged. Happens quite often, no judges or juries involved.

And yes, I am arguing just for the sake of arguing. Like I said, I've got nothing better to do at the moment. And ironically, it appears that YOU are arguing just for the sake of arguing, because it's not like you are going to change my mind, and we certainly aren't deciding anyone's fate here. So if you're not arguing just for the sake of arguing, what are you doing? I assume that you have nothing better to do at the moment or else you wouldn't be here either.

By your original post you're accusing people here of making assumptions and jumping to conclusions when they condemn the reported behavior. On the contrary you're the one making THAT ASSUMPTION. Why can't people freely comment on articles reported in the news?

Clearly we have a different perception of my original post. And that's fine with me, because I'm not trying to convince you that I am right. Nowhere in this thread did I say that people shouldn't express any opinion they want. I'm not a mod, I don't have any power to deny people their opportunity to post their opinions. I simply gave my opinion of the opinions being expressed. And just as I am free to ignore or comment on the opinions of others, others are free to ignore or comment on my opinions.

"Yeah, anything you read is going to be someone's opinion" and yours is exactly that, just the opinion of another person. But you're trying to stick up your opinion over others'.

And that is YOUR opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it. But I don't believe that I said anyone else's opinion expressed in this thread is wrong. What I said is that we don't have all the facts. As I said earlier, it's entirely possible that the family was in the wrong. It's also entirely possible that every critical opinion expressed in this thread regarding that family might be completely right. But we don't know do we. And THAT is my point.

And the truth of the matter is you don't know how things went down either, do you? You can't make the argument that these people are innocent or guilty one way or another. So let other people exercise their freedom of speech.

And now you are repeating exactly what I have been posting. Because I have been saying all along that I don't know what happened, because I wasn't there and I have only read one version of events. And nowhere in this thread did I say that I thought the family IS innocent. Instead, I choose to follow the basic principles of our country's criminal justice system by giving them the presumption of innocence. Perhaps you're the one who needs to read more carefully, because you seem to think that I have said things that I haven't. And where exactly did I say that people shouldn't exercise their freedom of speech?

If you can, please provide a quote of mine where I said that those people ARE innocent, or that I think that they are innocent.

 

[Neomentat]

Or the charges will be dropped and they won't be judged. Happens quite often, no judges or juries involved.

That's exactly what I said in my original post when I said "exonerated", what else do you think that word mean?

But it seems like we're doing the same thing, I'm trying to change your opinion and you were trying to change the opinion of others who posted before.

I'm glad we can both come to the same conclusion, that we're talking about the same thing.

Well said killgar, cheers.

 

[killgar]

That's exactly what I said in my original post when I said "exonerated", what else do you think that word mean?

But it seems like we're doing the same thing, I'm trying to change your opinion and you were trying to change the opinion of others who posted before.

I'm glad we can both come to the same conclusion, that we're talking about the same thing.

Well said killgar, cheers.

Although serious issues have been discussed in this thread, my "arguing" was all in fun. Where we might agree, great. And where we might not agree, well, as I often say on this forum- we can agree to disagree.

Just killin' some free time at Bladeforums, with never any hard feelings on my part towards anyone.

Cheers to you too. .

I think I found something good on tv, so now I'm out. But I'll be back .

 

[Halfneck]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[willc]

We should all stop all this speculating, I am sure one or more of them will log in and explain the whole thing once they get released.

 

[Neomentat]

We should all stop all this speculating, I am sure one or more of them will log in and explain the whole thing once they get released.

hahaha good one, that's hilarious, I'm sure they're fellow members of the "Chinese knife appreciation" group like myself lol

 

[T. Erdelyi]

What's happening to the happy go lucky, fuzzy bunny wet and warm feeling that W&C is most noted for? Oh wait never mind the wet warm feeling, I just sit myself.

 

[AntDog]

My dad sent me that link. He knows I'm a knife knut. He wanted them burned at the stake. I think they should have just took the chit back to the car. I mean, why insist on taking something onto private property that's not allowed there? And then fighting the cops over it?.....here's your sign!

 

[craytab]

I just had a terrible thought...

I suppose those morons own guns too.......

And they were allowed to reproduce......

They won't be able to own guns for long...not with the FELONY ASSAULT ON A POLICE OFFICER charge. This also assumes they weren't felons already...Which given the facts in the story isn't too far fetched.

 

[trestle]

In many parts of this country, with that many people involved, conspiracy charges might have been filed allowing a search of their homes and places of business as well. If anything it sounds like they got off easy with the charges.

As for the knife brand, my money is on Dark Ops. That crew has park-ninja written all over them.

 

[JNewell]

They won't be able to own guns for long...not with the FELONY ASSAULT ON A POLICE OFFICER charge. This also assumes they weren't felons already...Which given the facts in the story isn't too far fetched.

I'm guessing that complying with legal requirements involving weapons is not high on their priority list...just a hunch.

 

[craytab]

I'm guessing that complying with legal requirements involving weapons is not high on their priority list...just a hunch.

Wait, what? How did you come to that conclusion? Oh right, the whole knife thing....

They probibly don't need to worry though because according to killgar, charges get dropped all the time. I bet the DA takes officer assault charges very lightly. We shouldn't judge an entire family for getting arrested on riot and Officer Assault charges... Cops were probably lying and in cahoots with the media. I hear the invisible spy helicopters coming. Time to put the tinfoil back on my head and return to my moms basement......

 

[Ankerson]

They won't be able to own guns for long...not with the FELONY ASSAULT ON A POLICE OFFICER charge. This also assumes they weren't felons already...Which given the facts in the story isn't too far fetched.

That won't make any difference.....

 

[HorseloverFat]

Rather than dropping a link then running, why not add something to the discussion rather than leaving a reading assignment for everyone?

Who's runnin' , boss? And I hope that the piece wasn't too much in the nature of an abstruse reading assignment.

Consider this bit of sensationalism by the media an attempt to whip up lurid anxiety and, furthermore, it sells soap flakes. I imagine that most people who happen to carry a knife would be found among those behaving themselves. I apologize if it stirred anyone up...