Far eastern perspective on WWII

Thomas,

Your points are certainly worth addressing, but I don't have the time tonight. I still have about 10 pages I have to submit by noon, and I'm pretty tired.

I'm not discounting what you have to say, but I regretfully must postpone responding.

I *will* return. ;)

John
 
Interesting stuff.

The P-39 was particularly tragic because it should have been a good plane. As designed, it was blazingly fast, well protected, and was the most heavily armed fighter in the world. As executed, it was kind of fast, fairly well protected, far too heavily armed, not maneuverable, and had a particularly nasty tendency toward irrecoverable spins if pushed too hard due to the unorthodox center of mass. In the interests of streamlining the supercharger had been deleted, basically limiting it to low altitudes. The pilots didn't like them. We gave them to the British, who didn't like them either. (In fact, they sent a lot of them back.) We finally managed to give most of them away to the Russians who were evidently satisfied with them, although they used them as low altitude dogfighters. (They were designed as high altitude bomber interceptors originally, but without that supercharger...) The ones that were not given away were scrapped or used as aerial gunnery targets.

The famed P-40 was completely outclassed by by more modern fighters on all sides. While it was heavy enough to outdive a Zeke, at least one pilot's anecdote mentions a 109 outdiving him in North Africa.

I won't get started on the Brewsters. The only country that had any luck with them was Finland, who used them in a different (and much lighter) configuration than the navy did, against what was most likely not a first rate opponent in terms of experience, training, equipment, and motivation.

In fact, the US didn't field a plane that could compete with a Zero on favorable terms until the F6F arrived in early 1943. I would agree with Tom's assessment, at least as it pertains to aircraft - we were building obsolete planes for a style of air warfare that no one else was interested in, and a lot of pilots paid for this mistake.

To be fair, though, I've heard it said (and I somewhat agree) that Japan was a victim of its own success. The Zero was a pretty good early war plane; the Ki-43 (the IJA's preferred plane) was anything but. It was underpowered, underarmored, and extremely undergunned. Their small arms varied between tolerable and execrable. As Tom mentioned, their tanks were little more than a footnote. There was much room for improvement in both their equipment and their tactics but their early successes were so spectacular that it may have blinded them to their own shortcomings; by the time anyone realized that there was a problem, the war was more than half over and it was probably too late to make a recovery.
 
Whenever the US gets involved in another conflict, Ambrose Bierce's bitter joke goes around: "War is God's way of teaching geography to Americans."

War is also God's way of teaching Americans how to fight, all over again. I cannot regret that we didn't want to maintain and deploy large standing armies around the world. Our Constitution made no provision for doing so.

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto may not actually have said, "I fear that we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve." But once again, that's what happened. Since then, it hasn't been necessary. We now maintain that standing army around the world, and what a shame: the world says it doesn't like it.

Was it a good thing we weren't prepared for WW I and for WW II, or is it a good thing we're ready now?
 
Whenever the US gets involved in another conflict, Ambrose Bierce's bitter joke goes around: "War is God's way of teaching geography to Americans." >>>>>>> Esav


This is absolutely true for this goofy poster, as Thomas Linton wrote me and kindly told me to stop mixing up Singapore with the Philipines. Having Mr. Linton and Esav Benyamin, as well as NrSharp and others here in the forum, is like having professorship on tap. I'm just a youngster in the back of the class.

You notice Cantina people kindly teach and provide the data in a non- threatening and non-aggressive fashion. The high standards of character exemplified by these gentlemen does not permit the ignorant practise of punishing those less informed, but instead pull individuals up to their level.

The Cantina is a wonderful place and I can't say enough about the patrons. How about a round for everyone in the House? And turn that damn TV off, would you?


munk
 
this is a great thread, i've learned alot about history.

Japan invaded Korea without firing a single shot. I hope now that Koreans realize that the hide your head in the sand and hope they aren't threatened by me mentality doesn't protect you.

As I recall from a quote from LOTR movie, those without swords can still die by them.
 
As I recall from a quote from LOTR movie, those without swords can still die by them>>>> Dave Hahn

I like that. So you could say, "You don't have to live by the sword to end up dying by one."



munk
 
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