Farewell It's Time For Me To Go

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Wow, first off it really sucks that the package didn't show up, but as others said it might show up in the next few days. Second off the guy accusing you of being a thief is full of crap. The way I see it he has no right to call you a liar/thief if he doesn't know what happened. I hope you stick around though you seem like an honest guy judging by psy's post.
 
knifehunt said:
I'm out of here due to a deal gone bad. Thank you (PSYOP) for standing up, not so for another Beckerhead. I'm likely out $400.00 but whatever. Be smart when you deal with others here. People here turn on you really fast.
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I have been thinking all afternoon about whether to reply to your post but since you chose to drag me into your situation with your comment in this post, I feel compelled to reply. You posted: “I'm out of here due to a deal gone bad. Thank you (PSYOP) for standing up, not so for another Beckerhead. I'm likely out $400.00 but whatever. Be smart when you deal with others here. People here turn on you really fast.”
To me, this implies that I also turned on you. Psyop had every right to stand up for you because he said he had a good experience with you. Since I neither know you nor have had any dealings with you, I cannot stand up for you but neither did I criticize you. Since you asked for help or information, what I posted in your thread only concerned providing insurance for an article.
This is what I posted, “As far as I know, insurance will compensate the sender if the article is lost during shipment. Since the PO has marked the article as delivered, the PO will disallow the claim. Insurance will not cover an item stolen from the delivery point or misdelivered unless the carrier states the package was misdelivered.”
NOTHING in my post attacks you or your side of the story. I was only providing information on USPS insurance and NOWHERE did I make a comment on the situation itself. I hope this matter is resolved to both party’s satisfaction.
 
devgru66 said:
PayPal requires a signature for anything over $250. If the transaction exceeded $250 they will open a claim and you will receive a refund. ALL USPS should be shipped with signature confirmation, regardless of insured value. IMO the pkg doesn't exist unless I signed for it!
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This is correct, to my knowledge. When I was selling some Busses, I insisted that folks play by the PayPal rules, namely that (1) the address on the account be the address to which I shipped, and (2) signature confirmation be involved. If you sell by PayPal and the transaction is over $250, you MUST get signature confirmation. That way, everyone knows that the package made it to the right hands.
 
Ray Settanta said:
I have been thinking all afternoon about whether to reply to your post but since you chose to drag me into your situation with your comment in this post, I feel compelled to reply. You posted: “I'm out of here due to a deal gone bad. Thank you (PSYOP) for standing up, not so for another Beckerhead. I'm likely out $400.00 but whatever. Be smart when you deal with others here. People here turn on you really fast.”
To me, this implies that I also turned on you. Psyop had every right to stand up for you because he said he had a good experience with you. Since I neither know you nor have had any dealings with you, I cannot stand up for you but neither did I criticize you. Since you asked for help or information, what I posted in your thread only concerned providing insurance for an article.
This is what I posted, “As far as I know, insurance will compensate the sender if the article is lost during shipment. Since the PO has marked the article as delivered, the PO will disallow the claim. Insurance will not cover an item stolen from the delivery point or misdelivered unless the carrier states the package was misdelivered.”
NOTHING in my post attacks you or your side of the story. I was only providing information on USPS insurance and NOWHERE did I make a comment on the situation itself. I hope this matter is resolved to both party’s satisfaction.
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No one drug you into anything--at least in this subforum. You weren't named in this thread.
I'm keeping an eye on this thread though and expecting things to remain civil in terms of all parties.

Just FYI for everyone:
The general "unwritten" rules in the BFC exchange are these: it's on the seller to get the package to the buyer, and no deal is finished until everyone is satisfied.
Been that way as long as I can remember, and I've been here a while.
 
devgru66 said:
PayPal requires a signature for anything over $250. If the transaction exceeded $250 they will open a claim and you will receive a refund. ALL USPS should be shipped with signature confirmation, regardless of insured value. IMO the pkg doesn't exist unless I signed for it!
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This doesn't have any relevance as it wasn't a purchase made through PayPal,it was a trade. Also what does this have to do with Becker?
 
If it was a trade, then all of the above is off the table. Both parties should have been clearer about terms before anything was shipped.
The thread started out as a Beckerhead sending a message to his fellow Beckerheads and then discussing a transaction with fellow Beckerheads.
Granted, the topic has moved toward things normally seen in GB&U, but I don't think moderators from other forums need to be policing this forum.
If the Supers see it differently, then so be it. I'm fine with the thread staying because it's talk among Beckerheads.
Maybe better suited for the Off-Topic thread, but that wouldn't have been as dramatic, would it?
 
rycen said:
Also what does this have to do with Becker?
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a Beckerhead reaching out to other Beckerheads, looking for bromance, support, and advice. plus, a little B&M with his homies. that's a service we offer.
 
hey hey, take it to the bromance channel, stay on topic!
 
Bladite said:
hey hey, take it to the bromance channel, stay on topic!
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AKA the Off-Topic/SNARK Thread, brainchild of yours truly and intended for just such occasions! :thumbup:
 
I'm not exactly sure what went down from reading this thread over, but all I can say is that I wouldn't let this experience drag you down. For the most part, everyone here are honest and trustworthy people. A word of advice, check the member's feedback score before finalizing an agreement as it's there for a reason and could be your first indication of a possible problem. I also tend to run the member's name through a forum search just to see what comes up. Best of luck with this and I hope it works out.
 
JSMcustoms said:
I'm not exactly sure what went down from reading this thread over, but all I can say is that I wouldn't let this experience drag you down. For the most part, everyone here are honest and trustworthy people. A word of advice, check the member's feedback score before finalizing an agreement as it's there for a reason and could be your first indication of a possible problem. I also tend to run the member's name through a forum search just to see what comes up. Best of luck with this and I hope it works out.
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This is sound advice. Back BEFORE we had iTrader, we mainly relied on searches in GB&U to gauge a potential buyer/seller. I still use both.
Of course, I also have Bladite hack their home computer, scrutinize their tax records, and look for any unseemly past transactions.
 
The thing that bothers me most is that it did no get delivered, and that's no fault of mine. I have several friends in the postal service, and I know exactly how it works. Some of the carriers scan the packages at the Post Office, not at the mailbox (like they are supposed to) and end up leaving a package or two behind. This is how a lot of times it shows up as delivered on the website, and you don't have it. They also sometimes deliver to the wrong address, and now you can only hope the recipient turns it in or drives it to your house.

I will stand by one thing, and I really don't care what anyone thinks. The guy should have insured the package, for himself and me. In all honesty, I could have given him nothing, and there is nothing he could have done cause he had no recourse cause he didn't insure it. There is no proof that I received it or where the carrier left it, if anywhere. The one thing that people do not understand is, DELIVERED means nothing. Everything is null and void without a signature. I know some of you may think you're safe with delivery confirmation, but again it means zero.

I'm saying all this not to whine, but to make you aware of what can happen when you do not use insurance, so use it weather or not the person you're dealing with asks for it. The forum rules mean nothing in the real world. The Postal Service doesn't care about the rules of trade or selling on bladeforums, they have their own rules.

I am sure the knife will show up, and I hope it's tomorrow. I will let you all know if it arrives.....
 
Hey, I know I never post here and I don't even know you, but whatever. I've been reading the threads over on the GB&U just so I kind of know who to look out for, and I was reading your thread. (Not implying that you're a bad person.) IMO, there's two issues. A: The fact you didn't send your knife, and B: The fact you didn't get his knife. Now, for fact A, that was probably impolite, but had the knife arrived, you shipped it back, paid him for shipping- there wouldn't have been an issue, just sort of a lack of courtesy on your part. You gave your word and should have followed through. But it would have been okay- you would've sent it back anyways. Not the best thing to do, but far from the worst.

Then B: I really don't see why so many people are bashing you for this. Yes, you did make a mistake with A, but that should not influence thoughts on part B. The seller needs to get the knife to you. What happens if you had sent your knife? He'd have your knife, and you would have nothing. As it stands, you both have nothing. (I'm assuming innocent until proven guilty here.) So if you haven't received the knife, then whose fault is it? The sellers. You should not have sent him the money with Paypal IMO, because you don't owe him anything. (Except for $5 for shipping.)

I never ship with insurance, but that's with the understanding that if anything goes wrong, I will pay the buyer back, or send back his knife. I don't deal with knives over $200, so I'd rather save on insurance since, knock on wood, nothing's happened. But if anything happens, I would pay the buyer back. In this case, the seller has nothing to pay back for, because nothing was ever sent to him. That's it, IMO.

Had you sent your knife to him, and now he has your knife, and you have nothing, I think most people would agree he owes you the money. But part A kind of tarnishes part B.

And I doubt the package really went missing. Most likely the post office still has it, due to some overeager scanning. If not, the blame still does not solely reside with you. Just IMO, and I don't believe you should leave over some unresolved conflict. Nor would I have sent the money before, but just wait until tomorrow, and see where the current goes. Good luck to you.
 
well, it does say in the shipping rules/guidelines, that it's on the shipper to insure, or not. after all, they are facing the risk of a deal gone bad (esp in a sale), but even in a trade

EXCEPT (imho), you made SPECIFIC agreement otherwise - when i trade/sell with someone, i make it darn clear as the seller (esp), that insurance is on them, if they want it, they should get it. if they agree to that, they can spend the $5-15... that said (and i've said this before in related threads), i will sometimes/often insure items, because i'm darn well not taking a chance (on money, on rep, whatever, and eat the cost, as my gift). this esp applies to the like 9999 eBay transactions i've had. flawless. MOST people buy insurance... as well, signature confirmation is important.

re: scanning at the depot and then going out for delivery. i had my rural carrier "lose" my package under the seat of his truck, as he put it there for safe keeping as wanted me to sign for it. when he didn't see me, he took it back to the depot. he SHOULD have brought it inside, and checked it in, but forgot. then he went on vacation for a week. i had the depot turn the place upside down, eventually one of them got clever (or called the carrier dude and they turned up my package in the truck. they apologized, made me show ID, and i signed for it. had to drive out of my way 20 miles to get it. geez.

so. monday. call them. either they have it, and you go get it... don't let them resend it ;) or they don't have it, and you encourage them to look real hard. esp under the seat ;D ;D ;D ;D
 
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