Fastest cutting sharpening stone's.

Will do. These are pretty fine, so they'll be used for applications where something more refined than a coarse edge might be required or desired.

I played with the 1200 grit side of the 1200 / 2000 for a few minutes after dinner just to see what it felt like on a kitchen knife I had recently finished on the Spyderco brown ceramic. Gave it a few licks, tested the edge and then went back to the ceramic for a stroke or two.

I liked the feedback, and you could definitely see and tell that steel was being removed. Cleaned the hone (1"x~6") with a rust eraser under a tap afterward.

The other one is a bench hone in the 400 / 800 grit range. I haven't tried that one out as yet.
 
wade7575 said:
I know for me I use the KME system and I could care less about feedback and only the end result plus the faster the stone cut's the better.
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Said like a true metal machinist. :thumbsup:
Guided sharpening forever !

That said oddly enough I find even fairly light duty Nortons to abrade ZDP-189
You can see the metal coming off on these . . . white 4,000 and yellow 8,000.
Not saying they are fast cutters by any means but good to go for touch up.
M390 I go Shapton Glass but I don't do any reprofiling just basic sharpening and because M390 is so lovely . . . not much of that.
I agree though; want a good FAST cutter ? go diamonds. Depending on how polished the final desired result may want to finish up on water stones. I do.
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Alberta Ed said:
My DMT ultra-coarse (220 grit) cuts steel really fast.
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^^^ this
I have no complaints. Had it for twenty years as 91bravo said and I have pressed extremely hard when flattening the large flat area of the sides of thinned knives (to remove power grinder marks) and for flattening the backs of woodworking blades.
After ALL OF THAT I was then able to easily and quickly reprofile new modern S110V knives that I bought in the last couple of years.
I'm not saying I wouldn't mind trying out a 50 grit !
Zowwie !
 
Blues said:
^^^^Wait just a minute, mister. Are you juxtaposing knife collecting and sharpening with economy?

I've got to sit down a moment and catch my breath...

:p
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I know what you are saying.
He just means the less money spent on stones the more is available for more knives.
Having developed a sharpening stone habit I eat noodles and skip meals . . . but that's just my life . . .
 
Wowbagger said:
I know what you are saying.
He just means the less money spent on stones the more is available for more knives.
Having developed a sharpening stone habit I eat noodles and skip meals . . . but that's just my life . . .
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I knew exactly what he was saying. I was making a joke. (Or trying to.)

I've cut waaaayyyy back on knife purchases...in fact have sold or given away several more than I've bought in the last few years...and have replaced the habit with bench stone, Edge Pro accessory, and occasional firearm related purchases.

(I think sharpening gear is every bit as addictive and as much fun as the knives themselves.)

Hey, you can't take it with ya.
 
David Martin said:
SiC grit will sharpen up to cpm154, D2, 440C, ect. steels like these. With no problems. Once you get into the vanadium carbide steels that's where diamond stones come into play. DM
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Weirdly enough Phil Wilson would disagree with you.
But I wouldn't :)
 
Blues said:
(I think sharpening gear is every bit as addictive and as much fun as the knives themselves.)
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MY BROTHER !
haha part of the reason I came here from the woodworking chat room . . . everybody there got tired of me talking more about steel and stones (and knives with the cool steel) than I did about wood.
I've cut waaaayyyy back on knife purchases...in fact
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That's what I keep thinking to my self and saying . . . trouble is I have just "discovered" S30V . . . I only have one user (bought in the last few months) with that steel and have been discovering diamonds do a better job as the last stone than other things.

Also . . . and you will want to sit down before you read this . . . I have no Rat I or II . . . and (this is the bad part) no D2. So you see there is a solemn duty to buy at least one more knife and that quest should be full filled today if the order arrives. Just in time for EDC for Monday work !
I hope.
. . . hmmmm wonder what other must have to be a "cool guy" steels I don't have ? . . . best not to think about it . . . right now.
 
I'm not going to come against Phil Wilson or Ankerson. He's a very experienced & respected knife maker and both knowledgeable sharpeners. But there are some sharpeners on here that insist that Only diamond can sharpen and cut the vanadium carbides.
And I didn't want this topic to turn into one of those arguments because I wanted to discuss the subject. DM
 
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I wanted to discuss the subject. DM
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What was the subject again ?
Oh . . . yeah
Fastest cutting.
Well as much as I hate to admit it, that would be the big aced belt sander that emjay recommended when the maker does the sharpening.:thumbsdown:
For speed get one of those.
I'm DAMBED sure it won't be the best cutting edge though. Even if they hold it on their lackluster buffer afterward.

I'm not saying emjay's idea wasn't good.
What I am saying is I was surprised to find out from the CS person on the phone that they were going to resharpen my S110V on the same equipment used for the other lesser alloys. Explains why it was crap when I got it fresh from the factory and why I wasn't about to give 'em another go with the same less than ideal equipment. That's why the :thumbsdown:
If makers are going to up date to S110V then they should be sharpening it with diamonds and buffing it with diamonds.
 
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Wowbagger said:
Also . . . and you will want to sit down before you read this . . . I have no Rat I or II . . . and (this is the bad part) no D2. So you see there is a solemn duty to buy at least one more knife and that quest should be full filled today if the order arrives. Just in time for EDC for Monday work !
I hope.
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Well if I had been out on guard duty sniffing around I would have run across this (in its shipping box) who knows how long ago. I was waiting for a ding dong on the door. Finally I checked the status and it said delivered. I made a fatal mistake though . . . I let The Chef see me suddenly come to life, jump over the couch and grab my keys and head for the door. Then I realized she was looking at me. It's well into the afternoon and up until now I haven't moved off the couch since morning. She probably thought I had lost the ability to walk.

Then I made error #2 . . . I asked if she had checked the mail. (it's Sunday).
She's left the room after I returned with the tell tale size box. Her silence and absence can't be good.

But this is good :
I'm so glad I got the big one. I was afraid it was going to be stupid big but it is perfection. People exaggerate . . . or I just like abnormally large knives now. Looks great !
D2 !
and look at all those pillars ! ! ! ! (top knife in second photo)
Gives the Gayle Bradley One a run for beefy !
. . . and the edge ! ! ! ! . . . I'm swooning. The edge is perfect, zero bur, zero roll, smooth on draw cutting on the thumb nail but bites all along the edge ANGLED BOTH WAYS.
Those Taiwan dudes ! ! !
Say what you will . . . they could teach the other makers a thing or two about production sharpening. (I think I will be using "!" a little too often just ignore it).
Looks like I won't need to get out the coarse stones today; let alone the fine ones ( ! )
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Congrats, 'bagger. When Jeff and Mike designed that knife it was inspired in large part by their love of the Al Mar Sere 2000 which I no longer own but was a solid, overbuilt knife.

The only RAT and ESEE knives I currently own were (but for one or two) gifted to me by those two rascals whom I've spent a few too many evenings in past years seeing what kind of trouble we could get ourselves into. :p

We should never lose sight of the fact that the best part of this whole shebang is the people we meet along the way.
 
Blues....the only issue I have with using the XXC 120 mesh DiaSharp on flattening the Crystolon (yes...it's oiled) is the oily mess it leaves on the DiaSharp when done. It needs to be cleaned off before flattening a water stone, for sure. Other than that...no problems. I only use that XXC for flattening, nothing else.
 
samuraistuart said:
Blues....the only issue I have with using the XXC 120 mesh DiaSharp on flattening the Crystolon (yes...it's oiled) is the oily mess it leaves on the DiaSharp when done. It needs to be cleaned off before flattening a water stone, for sure. Other than that...no problems. I only use that XXC for flattening, nothing else.
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Thank you. Kinda what I thought. :thumbsup:
 
For rough major grinding use beltsander which can be found very cheap at price of better japanese stone and get ceramic belts.You can fine tune the knife with almost anything of higher grit.I reprofiled most of my knives from factory on belt sander and now theyre easy to sharpen on any stone.
 
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