Feedback on My Knife Design Please

RemyKaze said:
Shape, bottle opener, and prybar. Leave out the bottle opener or move it. Change the prybar, from front facing to side to side like a chisel. Do you own any kind of HEST? If not, why don't you purchase one and figure out what features you like/don't like based on USE? You might decide that this isn't really the knife you want a custom version of.
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I saw the knife and I've grown to like less and less of the designs that are on there. As far as more substantive use is concerned esp. heavy abuse, I have not...

Anyway, the bottle opener feature is not anything new. This video shows a knife with a bottle opener at the same location as the HEST (at 1:45): https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL6B3CE63F1B708DD3&NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=ADheD2ladC8

And, the pry bar on the pommel is used by other manufacturers, too. One example is the Gerber LMF II Infantry:
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And, as far as I'm aware, the patents that DPx HEST has are for the folders. I'm not sure anything came of the fixed blades.
 
So you're saying because it's not patented or copyrighted (which it is I think) it's okay to knock it off?

That's pathetic and that pommel is fugly to say nothing of useless. Okay it might be useful as a staple puller. If I were the end user I'd be scared of it and head for the nearest bench grinder to "FIX" it.

Syn
 
The LMF pommel isn't a pry bar. It's a glass breaker. That face is hollow ground.
 
TempusExMachina said:
Hi all,

Please let me know your thoughts about my knife design that I plan on getting built by a knife maker.

It's a rendition of the DPx HEST 2.0 knife - the specs to my version are below.

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SPECS

- 60 NiTinol PM
- Full tang
- Convex grind
- Drop point (w/ sharp tip)
- Dimensions
. > 6" blade
. > 5.5" cutting edge
. > 10" overall
. > 0.25" thick (as thick as pommel's hex driver)
- Desert ironwood scales (stabilized)
- WWII spent 303 / 30-06 ammo brass primer bolt heads over Ti 6.4 Corby bolts
- 0.25" hex driver / cordage hole at pommel - 1/8" Samson Amsteel-Blue cordage
- Jimping, followed by lashing point / bottle opener
- Vertical concave "blood groove" (acts as self-draining system)
- Stabilized cork sheath
- Pry bar at pommel (also a .25" flat edge screw driver, and helps keep hands from slipping down)
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Just a head's up that I hold a number of patents for the DPx Gear HEST and many other intellectual properties. I also don't have a problem with someone making a knife for their personal enjoyment and encourage customers to modify and test new ideas on the DPx blades they own.

But if you are hiring a "knife manufacturer" and then selling it for a profit then you need to be honest with the knife maker and the customer (and the forum owners that are considered accessories) and tell them that you are knowingly knocking off a patented product or a product with patented features.

Many knife makers like Ken Onion, Rick Hinderer and others make significant income from licensing their innovations to manufacturers Conversely they are honor bound to defend their patents to prevent loss of income to the companies they get fees from. Many of our fans are Federal agents who are regular visitors to forums, eBay, AliBaba and other sites. They are very protective of US intellectual and patent rights and even reach into factories inside China. I don't think people care either way on a one off but some of the assumptions you are making are very, very wrong.

One thing you might try is simply asking the manufacturer and designer if you can try to make a personal copy of his knife for your own use. You might find the reaction very different. This would give the knife maker a sense of comfort that you are not going to get him involved with the ugly world of knockoffs.

You can see from the variety of comments that people have a wide range of opinion about knives and much of it centers around defending or dismissing specific features, many of them known by the designer or brand's name.
 
If you're going to have a Pry-Bar it should be in similar design to the glass breaker on the end of the LMF.
However, I would do it differently so it's not copy-writing.
As for the bottle opener... it's not a part that is extremely helpful, so I would ditch it.
Change the butt of the handle to a flat prybar with curved corners so it doesn't stab you(you can use these curved corners for staple removal and such without them being sharp) and ditch the Bottle Opener.
 
I went ahead and saved your concept picture and tweaked it a little bit.
Of course this is just with paint and I'm sure someone could do a way better job.
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RYP said:
Just a head's up that I hold a number of patents for the DPx Gear HEST and many other intellectual properties. I also don't have a problem with someone making a knife for their personal enjoyment and encourage customers to modify and test new ideas on the DPx blades they own.

But if you are hiring a "knife manufacturer" and then selling it for a profit then you need to be honest with the knife maker and the customer (and the forum owners that are considered accessories) and tell them that you are knowingly knocking off a patented product or a product with patented features.

Many knife makers like Ken Onion, Rick Hinderer and others make significant income from licensing their innovations to manufacturers Conversely they are honor bound to defend their patents to prevent loss of income to the companies they get fees from. Many of our fans are Federal agents who are regular visitors to forums, eBay, AliBaba and other sites. They are very protective of US intellectual and patent rights and even reach into factories inside China. I don't think people care either way on a one off but some of the assumptions you are making are very, very wrong.

One thing you might try is simply asking the manufacturer and designer if you can try to make a personal copy of his knife for your own use. You might find the reaction very different. This would give the knife maker a sense of comfort that you are not going to get him involved with the ugly world of knockoffs.

You can see from the variety of comments that people have a wide range of opinion about knives and much of it centers around defending or dismissing specific features, many of them known by the designer or brand's name.
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Hi RYP,

Thank you for your response - it means a great deal. I am new to all of this, hence my colossal array of questions which may seem to go overboard and are naive at times. So, I apologize if I offended you in any way. This knife started out as a personal knife project for my own enjoyment and use, and I'll keep it that way.

Again, thanks for your response.

P.S. I tried sending you a message, but I'm only a basic user so I'm unable to. I'd like to get this knife made for myself and I won't be making it to sell for profit. I hope that's alright with you and thanks for the inspirational design.
 
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BladeChick777 said:
I went ahead and saved your concept picture and tweaked it a little bit.
Of course this is just with paint and I'm sure someone could do a way better job.
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One of my other versions was to make a Xiphos-esque mod and close off the bottle opener. :)
I used MS Paint, too - it was a grueling process to say the least.
 
As an aside, I have not found any first hand video reviews of 60-NiTinol with comparisons to super steels (e.g. M390). So, I'm not sure which metal for this knife. Right now, there's a lot of hype with 60-NiTinol, and I hope that its performance is equally grand. Does anyone have / know of any video reviews of 60-NiTinol's performance?

What I know is that the metal can be bent out of shape then heated to return back to its original shape using nothing more than a lighter or hot water. It's also corrosion proof (NASA says so) and about 20% lighter than most steels, as it's composed of 60% nickel and 40% titanium, and it reaches a hardness of 62+ HRC.
 
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Yeah bottle opener just seems tacky and pointless as you can pretty much open a bottle on anything, why sacrifice blade strength for a single purpose. Just carry a Swiss army for all of its uses instead.

And lol at MS Paint, man :\ you could do that in photoshop in about 2 minutes, I can help you there if you want.
 
Trisomy21 said:
Yeah bottle opener just seems tacky and pointless as you can pretty much open a bottle on anything, why sacrifice blade strength for a single purpose. Just carry a Swiss army for all of its uses instead.

And lol at MS Paint, man :\ you could do that in photoshop in about 2 minutes, I can help you there if you want.
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Yeah, I'm thinking of going in the direction of classic Bowie, Bowie + Kukri ("Bowkri"), or Xiphos with a clean spine.

And MS Paint... slowly but surely lol - I should really get Photoshop.
 
TempusExMachina said:
Yeah, I'm thinking of going in the direction of classic Bowie, Bowie + Kukri ("Bowkri"), or Xiphos with a clean spine.

And MS Paint... slowly but surely lol - I should really get Photoshop.
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Yeah photoshop is hands down the best graphics program and makes things in Ms Paint ridiculously easy. Or like Fortytwo said, Gimp is free and pretty good too.
 
Reignman said:
Couldn't agree more, STRAIGHT from his design.
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I tried reaching him - I hope he responds. I only want this knife made for my own enjoyment and use, and he posted that it's fine with him if (the pry bar and bottle opener parts) are similar to his knife (his post above).
 
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