Feedback wanted: Survivalshows on TV

I didn't google him or research his life. I'm not arguing about his philosophy. This thread is about the tv shows, and what I've seen in the shows leads me to believe he's a moron. Obviously he might not be a moron, but his behavior on the show leads me to this conclusion. Anyone who goes around without shoes, socks, or long pants in environments that, let's be honest, require those items is not someone who should be imitated. Freezing cold temperatures in the great plains mean you need long pants, wool socks, and adequate boots if you want to go anywhere or survive in those conditions. I've lived in the great plains during the winter. No one in their right mind would go anywhere without proper shoes or long pants - even in the city. Furthermore he obviously has a poor sense of judgment and a total lack of understanding of how evolution works if he thinks he can manipulate and increase the efficiency of the mitochondria in his feet in one generation. It just doesn't work that way and instead of researching it he holds on to his ridiculous beliefs that he can somehow change his genetic makeup by not wearing shoes. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

So, while he may not be a moron, on the tv show he certainly comes across that way. If anyone would be so kind as to show me where on the show he is not a moron I would love to glean some tidbits of survivalist knowledge. Until then I'll view the tv show as nothing but entertainment, at which it excels.

Its been a long time since I posted, good to be back. I have to say these posts are headed down the same path as my posts a few months ago.

Fanglekai, do a search with my name and dual survival. I once referred to Cody as a Jackass for not wearing shoes. I can honestly say I wish I never said it. After learning more about him, and seeing several more episodes, I can say he's definitely the real deal.

I don't personally get his barefoot thing (most people don't), but it works for him. He's managed to live for 15+ years without shoes. He's certainly not a moron.

But I will grant you one thing, nothing on these shows should be imitated.
 
I don't have cable, and all I've seen are the Les Stroud dvd set my sister got me, and a few episodes of Dual Survival which I saw on vacation. I have a subscription to SRI, and have read Survival Quarterly (is that Ron/Karen hood's magazine?). A lot of members have posted that a lot of this "woodcraft knowledge" is just common sense. Common sense is a rarity these days, and a lot of people, if put in a bad situation, will probably be upset. I think it would probably be beneficial to them to remember so and so did such and such, but, I see where misinformation, done to garner ratings, would be detrimental to someone.
 
Okay guys you've turned this thread into an argument over Cody's legitimacy and it is well known he is a master at many survival skills and although not wearing shoes on a mountain etc is strange, its his choice. Dave does and says a tone of stuff on the show too that makes him seem like an idiot, especially when he constantly craps on the sustenance Cody provides. Any real survivalist would eat what he had and smile, not complain each episode about how if it ain't meat it ain't food. Considering some people will take what a tv personality says to heart, he should learn to be more open minded regarding 'survival' food. Cody knows to follow a primary rule of finding food in those situations which is not to expend more energy and burn more calories obtaining the food then it will provide you. Dave would rather chase turkeys and fight alligators which is good TV but a bad idea generally. With that being said lets get back to the OP's topic which is wanting to know more about what 'survival', and wilderness shows etc are worth checking out. So gents, lets not bicker and instead suggest some good resources for our fledgling survivalist friend to look in to and learn from. I've listed several off the top of my head or from my personal collection but I'm sure there's a lot out there I myself don't know of. Lets help a brotha out;)
 
OP's topic which is wanting to know more about what 'survival', and wilderness shows etc are worth checking out.
Aye, I didn't dared to disturb that arguing though I got quite some good info on the matter at hand and a lot more then I asked for.
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Aye, I didn't dared to disturb that arguing though I got quite some good info on the matter at hand and a lot more then I asked for.
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It certainly is!

Sorry to add fuel to the off topic fire. To give you an answer here's my two cents:
Man, Woman, Wild
Dual Survival
Survivorman

IMO stay away from Man vs Wild, IMO its way far off reality for me. Don't take the other shows as reality either, they're IMO just not as far off the real world.

But, as a few others have said, these shows are for entertainment. Be sure to take them as such. If you find an interest in something on the show then research it, or ask here on the forum. Might want to try some books too!
 
Aye, I didn't dared to disturb that arguing though I got quite some good info on the matter at hand and a lot more then I asked for.
Awesome, BF is worth visiting all the time

Glad you think so Short. Most people recognize that these shows do provide a valuable function of tweaking the interest of a much broader interest in the outdoors than normal. Even if the information presented isn't quite spot on, it may get you thinking about something and spurn you to research the proper way or perhaps better yet think about how you could avoid that situation in the first place. Again, if you stay away from taking the information presented literally and think about the ideas presented as ways to jury-rig solutions then the information presented in most of these shows can be quite valuable.

Do realize that some shows are very much geared towards drama and social group interactions while others are presented to provide more information. Ray Mear's programs is more on the education value and presented much like a nature documentation but demonstrating survival skills. Ray's program emphasis showing the method and application from a historical and pratical standpoint. Ray doesn't pretend that his is in some kind of survival situation. Its more of a standard documentary style.

Suvivorman was a revolutionary idea when it first came out. Les Stroud would generate some kind of survival scenario (one can always nitpick the scenario in any of these shows) and basically isolate himself for 5-7 days. He would go out into the situation with a limited set of gear that a lost day hiker or something like that might have and then he would demonstrate how to survive and find your way back to safety or at least how to call for help. As far as I know, Les is very unique (there have been one or two less succesful folks who copied his general formula - e.g. Alone in the Wild) in that he geniuninely went out alone. He does all the camera work himself and documents his process as it occurs and he encounters it. Of course, they have to spice up the footage with dramatic music and he tends to dramatize something intentionally - like making things look more difficult than they are for him (even though he is well capable of the method, he stometimes tries to portray something like an inexperienced person might). Les' information is often excellent. But, for many people they find it boring and they ironically criticize him for his lack of success at a lot of things like being able to catch fish or other food items on demand. Les often goes hungry without anything to eat for several days. He's sometimes forced to drink bad water sources. The guy must have been exposed to every parasite imaginable and I'm sure he goes through a full regime of shots before and after filming an episode. Anyhow, he has some awesome skills and when you think about the fact that he also spends all that time not only lugging camera gear, but positioning the cameras at different angles to catch himself in action, then his achievements are really quite remarkable.

The Man Vs Wild; Man, Woman, Wild; Dual Survival or sort of hybrids of the Les and Ray Mears documentaries. Man vs Wild - Bear accentuates the drama. Where Les is sometimes boring, Bear is amped up like a monkey on meth. Much of what he does placates to shock value and extremes of survival. Every episode he eats something disgusting, in part to show you what can be eaten, but mostly to show you that he is a crazy bugger who will ingest anything. He scales rock faces and jumps into waterfalls sans gear and without reservation. People who criticize show are often taken aback at the often unnecessary risks taken to do the simplest of things. There was also a big scandal during his first year of filming where the events were portrayed as 'real' but later revealed that he was only shooting on sight and was not sleeping in shelter but rather staying at hotels. He has a full camera crew with him and they provide him a lot of safety support that allows him to take the risks he does whereas it would be insane for him to do so alone. This why this show is so disfavored in the community. However, if you like watching people eat gross things and jumping around unheaded, then it is a good watch. I view a lot of advice on this one as suspect.

Duel Survivor and Man, Woman Wild. Both these shows are more tamed and educational versions of Man Vs Wild. The schtick, or hook, of these shows is that there are two people with two different opinions about what to do in the survival situation. Dual survivor pits Cody and Dave together, both of them pitched as different types of survival experts with different approaches to a situation. The show format has a lot of potential, but the producers were clearly trying to go for a 'human drama' effect and the editing and/or acting makes it look like they are constantly arguing with one another about how to proceed. This was really bad in the first couple of episodes and it was later toned down in subsequent shows. While the Duel Survivor experts tend to take less dramatic overt risks as Bear, the show places them in overly fantastic survival scenarios to up the drama factor. They often find themselves having to scale ledges and cliffs or expose themselves to extreme temperature changes in this pursuit. I think this tends to take away a lot from basic education factor of the show. Note, Les was bad for this as well as his show started to put him in more and more extreme environments as his popularity increased. Duel survivor does try to focus on basic skills factors like fire building, shelter craft, navigation, food/water. They often have little fact segways that are really informative. They are known for 'faking' the capturing of animals in their show and artifically shoot higher success rates than a person would normally achieve when it comes to hunting for food.

Man, woman, wild - has a husband and wife. Mike Hawk is a legitimate survival expert. His wife is hot (thats part of the schtick) and while she isn't a girly girl, she sort of learns the techniques from her husband as he demonstrates it. Its a variation on the theme of Dual Survivor, but the combo of teacher/student is more refreshing. Mike Hawk sometimes has to cajole his wife into doing certain things, but his patient demonstration of skills and our ability to witness her attempts at them give us some realistic ideas of how hard an activity as being portrayed really is. The show has many good merits to it. Best of all, there are 2 or 3 episodes in my recollection where they had to cut the epidode short and call in the rescue team because things just weren't going to well for them. Mike then basically looks into the camera and says something to the effect of 'nature won this time, sometimes you just can't given the circumstances you are under'. I have lot of respect for that and it is true. Sometimes you will have your ass handed to you, whether you are an export or not.

Reality shows - there are many new reality shows and I have not kept tabs with any of them. I place The Colony in this category, but you also have ManTracker and others - there are also a tonne of Homesteader kind of shows where families are or contestants are placed in a situation with a set of rules and they have to make due. These things are typically total crap when it comes to actual content. The shows are set up to emphasis person/person drama and group dynamics and they don't really care about realism of the survival. They often use artificial ploys to pit people against one another and audience love this, just like they love how in 'survivor' or 'big brother' people get really nasty behind each others backs and gossip about one another. Take these shows for a grain of salt. They don't present much realistic information nor do they present realistic group dynamics either.
 
Don't rely on any skill until you've practiced it first. That includes everything you read in this forum.
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Good point. Actualy getting off the couch and doing basic stuff teaches a lot. Some survival skills were as easy as I thought that they'd be, some tougher. A little basic preparation goes a long way too.
 
Its been a long time since I posted, good to be back. I have to say these posts are headed down the same path as my posts a few months ago.

Fanglekai, do a search with my name and dual survival. I once referred to Cody as a Jackass for not wearing shoes. I can honestly say I wish I never said it. After learning more about him, and seeing several more episodes, I can say he's definitely the real deal.

I don't personally get his barefoot thing (most people don't), but it works for him. He's managed to live for 15+ years without shoes. He's certainly not a moron.

But I will grant you one thing, nothing on these shows should be imitated.

The thing is, though, I don't care what he's like personally or off the show. He could be the greatest survival expert of all time. On the show, though, he sends very bad messages, like "I can survive without shoes in freezing conditions", even though on the show he obviously causes problems by not wearing socks, shoes, and long pants. I saw him get covered in leeches, get his legs torn to shreds by thorns, get cuts all over, and almost get frostbite because of inadequate clothing. The thread isn't about him personally, but people responding to me want to talk about him personally. I'm talking about Cody Lundin on the tv show. He has stupid ideas like trying to make a boat out of a tarp, and he goes around in clothing that is not adequate for the situation at hand. He talks about how he thinks he can change the mitochondria in his feet, which is absurd. The show is entertainment, but unfortunately there are people who like to imitate what they see on tv. I didn't see much survival knowledge in the episodes I watched, so, again, in keeping with the theme of the thread, I view the shows as pure entertainment with a few tidbits of survival knowledge scattered throughout. The things they do are not meant to be imitated, and there is very little survival knowledge to be gleaned. So, again, to answer the OP's question, no, there is not much to be learned from Dual Survivors.
 
The thing is, though, I don't care what he's like personally or off the show. He could be the greatest survival expert of all time. On the show, though, he sends very bad messages, like "I can survive without shoes in freezing conditions", even though on the show he obviously causes problems by not wearing socks, shoes, and long pants. I saw him get covered in leeches, get his legs torn to shreds by thorns, get cuts all over, and almost get frostbite because of inadequate clothing. The thread isn't about him personally, but people responding to me want to talk about him personally. I'm talking about Cody Lundin on the tv show. He has stupid ideas like trying to make a boat out of a tarp, and he goes around in clothing that is not adequate for the situation at hand. He talks about how he thinks he can change the mitochondria in his feet, which is absurd. The show is entertainment, but unfortunately there are people who like to imitate what they see on tv. I didn't see much survival knowledge in the episodes I watched, so, again, in keeping with the theme of the thread, I view the shows as pure entertainment with a few tidbits of survival knowledge scattered throughout. The things they do are not meant to be imitated, and there is very little survival knowledge to be gleaned. So, again, to answer the OP's question, no, there is not much to be learned from Dual Survivors.

Cody continues to successfully emerge from every scenario, despite his lack of pants and footwear.

He continues to demonstrate that it ISN'T needed, else he wouldn't be able to do it. He extensively recommends that others NOT do it, but it's hardly holding him back. It's part of the reason he was chosen for the show. They want to pit two characters against each other to create drama and make it worth watching to the general public.

I have no problem with Cody, and would enjoy learning from him at some point.

Dave on the other hand, I have some serious questions about... http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1160.htm
http://www.pownetwork.org/pownet.secure/canterbury_david_michael.pdf

Not one single record of anything like Ranger School, anything "survival" related, or really anything other than a few weeks at sniper school and his MP duties.

On his Bio for the show he lists this:
eventually becoming a Special Reaction Team (SRT) instructor and sniper. He trained soldiers in the U.S., Central America and Korea in unarmed combat and close-quarter techniques.
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/dual-survival/bios/

He served for 6 years, and was only assigned to the sniper school in 86 (1 year before he left). He was never assigned to Central America, and was an MP in Korea....

His little intro on the show is so vague that I was immediately leery of it, but it does seem that there are some holes in his records and some questions need to be asked of him.
 
Cody continues to successfully emerge from every scenario, despite his lack of pants and footwear.

He continues to demonstrate that it ISN'T needed, else he wouldn't be able to do it. He extensively recommends that others NOT do it, but it's hardly holding him back. It's part of the reason he was chosen for the show. They want to pit two characters against each other to create drama and make it worth watching to the general public.

I have no problem with Cody, and would enjoy learning from him at some point.

Dave on the other hand, I have some serious questions about... http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1160.htm
http://www.pownetwork.org/pownet.secure/canterbury_david_michael.pdf

Not one single record of anything like Ranger School, anything "survival" related, or really anything other than a few weeks at sniper school and his MP duties.

On his Bio for the show he lists this:

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/dual-survival/bios/

He served for 6 years, and was only assigned to the sniper school in 86 (1 year before he left). He was never assigned to Central America, and was an MP in Korea....

His little intro on the show is so vague that I was immediately leery of it, but it does seem that there are some holes in his records and some questions need to be asked of him.

Great site, I already new that about Dave, that was the reason that I was so surprised that someone legit like Cody would team up with him. Chris
 
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The purpose of these shows is to attract viewers and generate ad revenue. Everything else is secondary. I think that folks try to make these shows into something they are not. They are just entertainment in my view, and nothing more.
 
I just want to know where all the urban survival "reality" shows are...?? you know, we call them hobo's, bum's etc...:D on a serious note, there has to be a couple diehards out there that 'chose' that path and are perfectly sane..

how they rummage daily for their livelihood, how they protect themselves from predators, elements and the man etc.....I'd watch it...:)
 
Me too, I would for sure watch an urban off the grid show. I watched a documentary on "Freegans" the other day, very interesting, they were basically dumpster divers that eat food that is being thrown away. Chris
 
The colony was interesting for I think it represents a more realistic sense of long term survival compared to the short term survival scenarios that cody and dave depict. Banning together would be the only way to survive a viral outbreak, economic collapse, or so on. They address the key needs to survive such as clean water, safe sewage/waste disposal, food, and protection. I like how they repeated used and consulted with experts from the CDC, psychologist, FEMA, and other areas concerning these survival situations In any long term disaster situation where migration would be difficult I think they did a decent job showing how they could survive. It is setup...for the cast all offer some speciality to overcome every area they could possibly face. It isnt the holy grail but certainly food for thought and offers an awareness. Season one was pretty interesting and was beyond what I would have thought. I was surprised what they achieve then again they were in a machine shop with a rag tag supply of tools and limited food. I did like it and wish they would bring the 3rd season out...however it looks like they cancelled the 3rd season...bummer for at least this was mindless TV like some much else out there today!
 
Let me add something to this about the colony unlike MVW, 2XSurvival, SurvivorDude...no one on it was professionally put thru a survival course or had a survival background. Much like the overwhelming population in this country. If a disaster struck many if not all are rarely prepared. The cast on the colony used common sense, science, and pure everyday experience to overcome. They even documented it on the walls of there safe haven. I really enjoyed this show...sure it is entertainment but it was structured to be as real as one could imagine when a scenario presented itself. If you havent seen the colony it is a good one and will make you think about what you see days and weeks after. The experts analyze their situation constantly which at first I did not like...especially the head shrinker but it does add to the show. Season 2 was not as good as one and the ending was a head scratcher but certainly a huge outcome that could happen.
 
The purpose of these shows is to attract viewers and generate ad revenue. Everything else is secondary. I think that folks try to make these shows into something they are not. They are just entertainment in my view, and nothing more.

Hit the nail right on the head.

Some of these shows are so far off reality they are probably better to watch so you know what NOT to do (Man Vs Wild?)!
 
Indeed, he is quite right in his observation. When we have a forum that concerns itself with works well flagged up as fiction [like who gives a toss really about the film The Edge, or how Liam Neeson's career is progressing, or what knife the Rambo character had, or what flavour of spastic makes for your favourite X-man] it's hardly surprising that folks have a hard time divorcing fantasy from reality with TV delivered as these shows are. Really, when people readily import crap from movie review forums to here, as if it has anything to do with anything here, that should yell out a whole bunch about gullibility and the thresholds of acceptance and rejection that many members set for themselves. When a movie promoted with little more than “this is bollox but it might be entertaining” defeats people so easily, and they ruminate over it like a knackered “80s VCR with perished drive bands from pausing over the “highlights” from mom's Ann Summers' tape it's not exactly a shocker to discover these sorts of cunningly contrived, money maker band-wagon production survival shows for many blur the distinction between sense and nonsense. The most interesting feature is that most of us would probably laugh if someone said they'd learned to be a chef from watching Hell's Kitchen or Man vs Food. The nonsense is easy to spot. Wheel on a topic riddled with vested interested, some celebrity, a sprinkle of pixie dust camera work, and a guru someone wants to indentify with and the critical apparatus goes straight down the karsi. No illusion is shattered by a barefoot fool originating from the apocalypse fantasy movement, or that Mears is a money gouger that likes playing on his I-Pad while others do the donkey work because Grylls drank piss. And on and on it goes. Bite after endless uncritical bloody bite of pop-survival and few works in the original were read. “I didn't get out enough 'cos it was raining and chilly, and the dog ate my homework, and did you see that new pop-survival thing that was on last night? At 44.32 the guy did something nearly credible”. Pause, rewind, play, rinse, repeat. Sitting ducks.
 
Wow.. enlightenment finally, whoever you are baldtaco, I agree, you are so far above the rest of the ducks as to be almost godly. Chris
 
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