Female hiker lost or abducted?

rebeltf said:
Honestly , hiking alone in remote areas, this time of year is foolish.

While I hope she is okay my sympathies end there , common sense is a 24/7 sort of thing.
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That's a little "tough love" right there, too much for me. I feel sorry for her family and friends that are worried about her. I hope for a safe return.

Besides there are stories all the time about seasoned hunters or backpackers that end up down the side of a cliff because of loose rocks or poor footing.

This girl probably had something happen to her from this unknown guy. The report says that she was seen by several people on the trail talking with him, that says to me that it isn't too bad of a place to chat with somebody. It's not her fault if the guy ended up being a crazy lunatic.
 
skammer said:
I love martial arts comments. I cant count how many times I and friends successfully threw down with black belts. More often than not they were the ones looking for the action. It gives people a false sense of security including women. It does very little in a proper street fight or life and death struggle. She had to be either cocky or dumb to be hiking alone in an isolated area.

I hope she is ok as crime is bad enough in urban areas it should not be allowed in the backcountry, wishfull thinking I know.

Skam
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depends on the martial art my friend.

i would love to see you go against a brazillian jiu jitsu black belt or a muay thai black belt

or even just an mma fighter
 
In my experience yes, I met some black belts who would get beaten up, but NOT do to insufficient technique, rather the wrong attitude for a fight/defense/injuring someone situation.
A "streetfighter" only has the advantage in meanness, not ability(unless you're referring to the McDojo's in which case yes, yes, yes, you are correct).
But hey, even the most powerful gun on the planet doesn't do a damn thing for you without the proper mindset. The attitude is where it's at for surviving terrible situations.
 
kershlack said:
depends on the martial art my friend.

i would love to see you go against a brazillian jiu jitsu black belt or a muay thai black belt

or even just an mma fighter
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True that a competent MMA practioner would be a genuine handful, but typically what you get is a person who either studied some pointless TMA or had a weekend mini course at the local "Y". Not to mention that most MMA guys love fighting anyway, and were doing it long before they studied BJJ, MT, etc.

Off Topic: GSP beat Hughes like a rented mule!!!
 
beckerhead said:
True that a competent MMA practioner would be a genuine handful, but typically what you get is a person who either studied some pointless TMA or had a weekend mini course at the local "Y". Not to mention that most MMA guys love fighting anyway, and were doing it long before they studied BJJ, MT, etc.

Off Topic: GSP beat Hughes like a rented mule!!!
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Matt hughes lost!!! Oh man I'm never going to let my friend hear the end of this. I missed that pay per view cause of family events. I guess that is why I haven't heard from him this week :D:D:D. Thanks for the info.
 
beckerhead said:
True that a competent MMA practioner would be a genuine handful, but typically what you get is a person who either studied some pointless TMA or had a weekend mini course at the local "Y". Not to mention that most MMA guys love fighting anyway, and were doing it long before they studied BJJ, MT, etc.

Off Topic: GSP beat Hughes like a rented mule!!!
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oh thank god for a second i thought you were an ignorant asshole and that wasnt sarcasm


most tma's are shit you know that

yeah most people are super deadly tae kwon do black belts. which all that is, is they payed their monthly dues and they get the belt :P

EDIT: LIDELL WON!!!!! WOOT

I am a bjj'er so naturally those guys give me a giggle. just shrug em off imo
 
kershlack said:
depends on the martial art my friend.

i would love to see you go against a brazillian jiu jitsu black belt or a muay thai black belt

or even just an mma fighter
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No it depends on my mood. When I gouge their eyes out as I am a dirty fighter with no regard for my apponents health. MMA is not street fighting for your life its a sport with a ref.

If you said Krav Maga that would get my attention.

Seen it too many times people get a little training and they get too cocky, hope this was not the case here. Lets not turn this into a whos tougher thread. There is an entire forum devoted to the wannabes already.

I dont care if its the middle of Alaska you dont walk alone at night. The argument that hiking is safe doesnt wash. If 4 people walked that trail that day other than the perp there would be a 25% chance of foul play if in fact this is the case.

I dont think shes lost she left her stuff behind doesnt make sense.

Skam
 
kershlack said:
oh thank god for a second i thought you were an ignorant asshole and that wasnt sarcasm
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I guess I am lost as to what part of my post even vaguely portrayed me as an "ignorant ###hole"?? I'm just a big MMA fan with a rather low opinion of most TMAs as legit in real world throwdowns. Sorry if I offended you though, it wasn't intended.

And YES chucky was the GB splitting maul to Wandy's little axe!!! Credit to Silva though, most fighters would've been KO'd by any of a number of those shots from Chuck.
 
kgd said:
Makes you wonder about foreshadowing from the lengthy 'two-legged snake' thread from the holidays!

Wishing this poor soul the best of chances.
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Man, I was thinkin the same thing...thats rough to go into any situation with good intentions and trust in fellow people. Its better to go with good intentions and a concealed weapon :)
 
Next time my wife and I go out I'll be carrying my steel. I'm not talking about a knife either.
 
kershlack said:
yeah most people are super deadly tae kwon do black belts. which all that is, is they payed their monthly dues and they get the belt :P
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You know what, I have a black belt in TKD. I resent that remark and think it shows some true ignorance. There are short comings to TKD as I have noted in other threads, but a discipline is a discipline. I actually trained full contact and went to full contact tournaments. Really - the above quote is so 1980's I almost feel like I'm in a time warp reading it. Give me a break, if one thing mma taught us is that no style actually dominates, even BJJ was overcome by good old wrestling - pound and ground.

BTW if you are in the woods and some friendly dude that you are talking to suddenly spine whacks you with a metal baton when you turned around. No training is going to help you in this situation. The fact is, you can be Georges St. Pierre and still be caught off guard. Yeah, people are tough in the ring because the expect combat. Truth is, the criminal element gets you off guard.
 
kgd said:
You know what, I have a black belt in TKD. I resent that remark and think it shows some true ignorance. There are short comings to TKD as I have noted in other threads, but a discipline is a discipline. I actually trained full contact and went to full contact tournaments. Really - the above quote is so 1980's I almost feel like I'm in a time warp reading it. Give me a break, if one thing mma taught us is that no style actually dominates, even BJJ was overcome by good old wrestling - pound and ground.

BTW if you are in the woods and some friendly dude that you are talking to suddenly spine whacks you with a metal baton when you turned around. No training is going to help you in this situation. The fact is, you can be Georges St. Pierre and still be caught off guard. Yeah, people are tough in the ring because the expect combat. Truth is, the criminal element gets you off guard.
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Well said kgd. I too am a First Degree Black Belt in TKD, and that remark is foolishly stated to say that TKD is just a monthly due. I trained for 6 years before I tested for black belt. I still practice it, and the only reason I am not a Second Degree by now is because I choose not to test yet until I feel that I am truly ready. I didn't take TKD to go out looking for bad guys either, it is what it is to me, a self-defense art meant for just that as well as good cardio and self-discipline. The reason that the "bad guys" get the upper hand in a lot of scenerios is that they have the intent to harm innocent people and often times betray those that do not expect it. Like kgd said, that could catch anybody off guard. You guys can keep your fancy grappling moves while I kick in my opponents head. Do you guys even honestly know the meaning or history of your chosen art? Without googling it right now?

Tae: to jump kick or smash with the foot
kwon: to strike or smash with the fist
Do: The way or the method

I chose my art and my instructor knows me by name, not a number or a sales receipt. Did you guys choose yours because it was the "in" thing or because you saw it on TV?
 
Sounds pretty bad. It looks, to me, almost certain that she was abducted. If you get lost, you don't leave your stuff lying around.

kgd said:
BTW if you are in the woods and some friendly dude that you are talking to suddenly spine whacks you with a metal baton when you turned around. No training is going to help you in this situation. The fact is, you can be Georges St. Pierre and still be caught off guard. Yeah, people are tough in the ring because the expect combat. Truth is, the criminal element gets you off guard.
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Well, if that happens, then you already screwed up. It's generally not a smart move to turn your back to people you do not know. It's generally a stupid, and reckless move to turn your back to people you do not know in the middle of some hiking trail where there is no one else to discourage the bad guys from attacking. I don't display my back to random, unknown people if I meet them in the woods. Hell no. I'm reluctant to do so in a city crowd where it's impossible to avoid, and where I just have to take the chance and hope I don't get the urban bushwhack.
 
kgd said:
You know what, I have a black belt in TKD. I resent that remark and think it shows some true ignorance. There are short comings to TKD as I have noted in other threads, but a discipline is a discipline. I actually trained full contact and went to full contact tournaments. Really - the above quote is so 1980's I almost feel like I'm in a time warp reading it. Give me a break, if one thing mma taught us is that no style actually dominates, even BJJ was overcome by good old wrestling - pound and ground.

BTW if you are in the woods and some friendly dude that you are talking to suddenly spine whacks you with a metal baton when you turned around. No training is going to help you in this situation. The fact is, you can be Georges St. Pierre and still be caught off guard. Yeah, people are tough in the ring because the expect combat. Truth is, the criminal element gets you off guard.
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first of all yes what i said is ignorant, but unfortunately IN AMERICA bad steal your money tae kwon do schools FAR outnumber the good ones. i speak in generalities of most people i meet.
 
I've hiked that trail a dozen times. It is a busy trial for day hikers, she didn't get lost.
 
My dad was attacked with a tire tool from behind and suffered 4 skull fractures, one so severe that it caved in the right side of his skull, the neurosurgeon did not expect him to live through the night.

Did I mention that this happened in his own home and he was 66 years old when it happened, he came in from the back yard and surprised an intruder. No gun, knife, or training would have helped, do not take what I am saying as there is no use worrying about self defense, take what I am saying to mean be always vigilant even in familiar surroundings. Since this incident, my family is always thinking security, every stranger I meet, especially in a remote setting is a potential enemy. I am still friendly and enjoy chatting with most people I run into on the trail but I don't turn my back and am always alert to their actions and body language. Chris
 
I have seen several people conclude that this hiker couldn't be lost or stranded because some of her gear has been found. Not true. Lost, injured, and/or panicked people discard gear all the time. Once their thinking gets cloudy anything is possible. Water, too heavy. Leash; let the dog go for help. Etc. How many people have seen hypothermic patients strip their clothes off in sub-freezing temps because they feel "hot"? I have.

I agree it doesn't sound good, but please let's not jump to conclusions.
 
runningboar said:
My dad was attacked with a tire tool from behind and suffered 4 skull fractures, one so severe that it caved in the right side of his skull, the neurosurgeon did not expect him to live through the night.

Did I mention that this happened in his own home and he was 66 years old when it happened, he came in from the back yard and surprised an intruder. No gun, knife, or training would have helped, do not take what I am saying as there is no use worrying about self defense, take what I am saying to mean be always vigilant even in familiar surroundings. Since this incident, my family is always thinking security, every stranger I meet, especially in a remote setting is a potential enemy. I am still friendly and enjoy chatting with most people I run into on the trail but I don't turn my back and am always alert to their actions and body language. Chris
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+1 for "Yellow" at all times. Just had a talk last night with my 8yr. old about the difference between being scared, and being cautiously alert.
 
I just love the way this thread fell into an argument over martial arts, when it was supposed to be about a missing hiker. I have a law enforcement background. I was in multiple street "fights" or "scuffles" with people. Martial arts training is only one of many tools I used to get the upper hand.
Why don't we talk about rules to survive when solo hiking?
As a solo hiker, whether male or female, I think it would be wise to limit contact with "strangers". In this case details are way to few to make a judgement call on what happened. But I think the old " don't talk to strangers rule" would certianly apply when solo hiking. If you converse for awhile with someone, the tendency is to let your guard down. When your guard is down, bad things can happen.

Let's hope for the best for her.... it's a cruel world out there.....
 
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