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Feral dog attack kills two... rural Georgia
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I have never been attacked by a pack of dogs; but, just thinking about it, what can you do? To all of you who said a knife/gun/stick is useless against a bunch of dogs, do you have a better suggestion?
Just thinking out loud here. I would never try to run from something that is faster than I am. If I couldn't immediately get to a safe position (up a tree, in a house/car/etc) I'd fight with anything available; I don't care how many dogs there are. I'm not going to just let them kill me because shooting/stabbing/hitting a few of them shouldn't sway the outcome of me being killed by dogs. I'll fight to the end, and not just to keep from being injured/killed; the attackers are going to pay for attacking me. How many will pay, I don't know; but, as many will pay as I can make them until I am totally incapacitated.
In conclusion to my thinking out loud, I think that if getting to safety isn't an option, fighting to the very end with whatever you have is the only other option. Unless the knowledgeable people who have said having a gun/knife/stick is useless against a pack of dogs have a better suggestion, then there are only two options: Fight or Flight.
Just thinking out loud here. I would never try to run from something that is faster than I am. If I couldn't immediately get to a safe position (up a tree, in a house/car/etc) I'd fight with anything available; I don't care how many dogs there are. I'm not going to just let them kill me because shooting/stabbing/hitting a few of them shouldn't sway the outcome of me being killed by dogs. I'll fight to the end, and not just to keep from being injured/killed; the attackers are going to pay for attacking me. How many will pay, I don't know; but, as many will pay as I can make them until I am totally incapacitated.
In conclusion to my thinking out loud, I think that if getting to safety isn't an option, fighting to the very end with whatever you have is the only other option. Unless the knowledgeable people who have said having a gun/knife/stick is useless against a pack of dogs have a better suggestion, then there are only two options: Fight or Flight.
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Nope, they sure dont replace a toothbrush, or a shoe but for a concealable form of lethal protection and self defense they are hard to beat. I do take your point though, self defense does begin with awareness and a means at hand for a defensive posture. If I lived where you do I would be armed with a whip and staff. Even with nothing but just my mind I am not totally defenseless, and I take it, neither are you.
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When I say "don't go in the woods without a gun"- that's just advice. Nobody has to follow that advice. I personally choose to go armed everywhere, because I don't like the idea of not being able to defend myself effectively. If you feel comfortable going out into the woods with naught but your wits and your mitts, then more power to you. :thumbup:
exactly. Those that do not have one kind of tool make do with other means. Like the elderly gentleman on Vancouver Island that killed a 200lb mountain lion with a single blade SAK after it jumped onto his back while cycling. He slit that thing ear to ear and back again. (yes I'm aware the Georgia incident was a PACK of animals, but I'm saying just because a person doesn't have a firearm doesn't mean they are incapable of defending themselves...)
firearms are wonderful. I shoot, I enjoy going hunting with my buddies, but there are a lot of areas I enjoy hiking where firearms are not allowed. Handguns are not allowed here except in indoor/outdoor ranges, there has been a whopping total of 19 wilderness carry permits issued in BC in the last two years (not including Conservation Officers or similar), those 19 were to Mining and remote exploration personal, and NOT wilderness hikers. I can carry a shotgun or rifle but i don't particularly feel like going to jail for carrying one in our wilderness parks or out of season in Crown land.
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I'm not saying dont put up a fight. I'm just saying, be prepared to not win the fight.
You asked "what can you do"? I suppose, just your best. It's a shitty situation, that's for sure.
no joke.... you do the best you can and do not let your guard down against the dogs. youtube some pack attacks and you will see how they operate. about that time you get tired and quit swinging, they got you
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How come we don't bounty these dogs.
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And politicians rarely go into the woods.
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That's a good question. I figure that a lot of people would be killing dogs from the pound, or any strays they see, for a bounty. Maybe it would be an end to animal shelters in Georgia? PETA would flip too, but who really cares what they think?
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Why? Why should I ever be prepared to not win any kind of fight? What does that even mean?
Should I make my peace with god and make sure my will is current before getting attacked by dogs? If you mean that I should know that the dogs will probably kill me, so what? If I can't get to safety, then I have to fight, and any way that I can inflict damage will increase my chances of survival.
The knowledge that a pack of dogs "should" kill me because it has been shown that packs of dogs have killed people in the past, is absolutely without value of any sort if I have to fight instead of flight.
If you want to know that the dogs will probably kill "you", that's fine with me. Haven't you ever been in a situation where you should not have been able to do something and you did? I have, many times. The reason is I fully believe I can deal with any situation, and that mentality has been strengthened by success over and over.
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Ok. Well, this isnt Prac Tac, and I dont really feel the need to argue this with you. You'll kill packs of feral dogs. Cool deal. :thumbup:
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Places have tried that with feral cats, people flipped out. Feral cats pose a greater threat to an ecosystem and native species than do feral dogs, and the tree huggers still can't wrap their minds around the fact that the cure for these type problems is to eradicate the population. It's sad, but true.
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I run down rural roads. I always keep a spyderco Native in hand. That thing penetrates like no other. I don't know if I could take on 17 dogs, but I'm pretty sure that Native could clip the jugular of 5 to 10 dogs in short order. Might have to sacrifice my left arm as bait to get them to bite, and then slice away.
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If you really don't want the extra weight go to the dollar store and buy a cap gun, I know it sounds stupid but the animals just hear a loud noise and relate it to the gun, they don't know it's not real. Not sure if it would work in this case but it has worked on black bears a few times for me so it's worth the extra couple ounces.
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Running instantly makes you prey. It shows the dogs that they are dominant, you are helpless, and since they are starving that makes you food. It's the same here in Idaho, our wolf population is growing larger and larger and competing with the cats, pushing the deer and elk farther and farther north. They are starving. Body language is how wolves communicate. If you show them timidness and fear, to them you are a helpless lone fawn waiting to be shredded. If you stand tall, make your presence known and show them you have teeth, they are much less likely to mistake you for food. I carry a Taurus .357 snubnose when I am in the hills. I can make a loud bang and kill 5 of them before I have to reload. I can show them that I am dominant and that I can turn them into the prey in seconds, in which case they will run. With wild dogs, the line between the hunter and the prey is very thin.
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You're missing the underlying message of my posting, which is 2 part:
First, nobody has presented a reasonable solution.
Second, being in the W&SS forum, we are all aware that positive attitude will save your ass, when you likely should not survive.
I'm not at all saying that I can kill a pack of dogs. I know that technically, I cannot. But, given that I would have to fight the dogs, I sure as heck am not going into the fight with the attitude that they're going to kill me.
I'm not being argumentative at all. It's just that this happens every time there is discussion of dog attacks. People say they should of had a gun/knife/stick/etc and others say that gun/knife/stick/etc would do no good. Nobody ever offers a real solution to dealing with a pack of dogs. Is there a real solution? Maybe not.
I don't understand why people say this and that will not work, and offer no solutions.
Also, everything I have said, I believe, belongs here in W&SS. I feel that I am speaking more about the philosophy of staying alive, and have said nothing about actual tactics, other than going into situations with the correct attitude.
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It is amazing how attitude is conveyed to animals, years ago when I rode my bicycle around I would have some pretty good altercations with dogs, now I ride with a revolver or pistol in my pocket and even though they test me its obvious that they react to my I am not prey, rather I am the hunter, Ive never pulled the hand gun but I know I dont need to back down and they pick that up.
If you identify the alpha dog and take him first, all the pack realizes that you have easily dispatched the best of the pack, they get weary, take a few more and your chances of survival increase. Due to being stupid in my youth I cant run, or rather out run, fight or flight is not an option for me in most situations, there is a slight advantage to that, not having a choice, with only one option, there is no hesitation.
If you identify the alpha dog and take him first, all the pack realizes that you have easily dispatched the best of the pack, they get weary, take a few more and your chances of survival increase. Due to being stupid in my youth I cant run, or rather out run, fight or flight is not an option for me in most situations, there is a slight advantage to that, not having a choice, with only one option, there is no hesitation.
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"Authorities have rounded up about 11 dogs suspected in the rare attack and returned to the area Tuesday to find four more spotted by a deputy. The dogs were being held by animal control officials while authorities decide what to do with them, said Jim Fullington, special agent for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation."
Um, dude. how about you let some peta-person adopt them.
Okay, I'm going to come right out and say that when and as it is allowable, in an area where there is a threat level "above" the insect family, having a firearm is a plus. Required? No. But you have to have SOME other defense against the unexpected event like...this one. Not being there is the best, but even the best can be surprised.
So yeah, would a gun have helped? Let's say you have a basic revolver, and you hit twice out of your first 4 shots. Those feral dogs, they must KNOW you only have 2 shots left, so the 10-15 in the pack will rush you, right? Wrong- They are GONE by the time the third shot is fired. Especially if you are smart enough to shoot when it's obvious they are threatening, and not wait to get bit. With a firearm, any other argument is going down the path to ludicrous street- you might as well carry grenades and combat shotguns with a point and rearguard if you think you need 120 rounds for a pack of feral dogs.
Now, a knife? a stick? I've seen coyotes fought off by a ram, just so you know- ferocity means more than anything else. I do believe that with a decent knife or a stout staff, better yet a hawk and a knife, you cna fight off a pack of feral dogs. Not guaranteed, but the possibility is definitely there, and better than zero odds, if you can just turn off your brain and kill-kill-kill-kill.
I live in an area where there is no reaosnable way to carry a firearm when exploring the local wilderness, and I carry a knife, just like my regular bushcrafters, but with an extra inch and a partial double edge. It's not my bush knife, it's not my prime choice survival knife, hell- it's not even the only knife I take out on walks- but I do take it and the possibility of attack is why- spare me the argument that a knife can't kill effectively.
Um, dude. how about you let some peta-person adopt them.
Okay, I'm going to come right out and say that when and as it is allowable, in an area where there is a threat level "above" the insect family, having a firearm is a plus. Required? No. But you have to have SOME other defense against the unexpected event like...this one. Not being there is the best, but even the best can be surprised.
So yeah, would a gun have helped? Let's say you have a basic revolver, and you hit twice out of your first 4 shots. Those feral dogs, they must KNOW you only have 2 shots left, so the 10-15 in the pack will rush you, right? Wrong- They are GONE by the time the third shot is fired. Especially if you are smart enough to shoot when it's obvious they are threatening, and not wait to get bit. With a firearm, any other argument is going down the path to ludicrous street- you might as well carry grenades and combat shotguns with a point and rearguard if you think you need 120 rounds for a pack of feral dogs.
Now, a knife? a stick? I've seen coyotes fought off by a ram, just so you know- ferocity means more than anything else. I do believe that with a decent knife or a stout staff, better yet a hawk and a knife, you cna fight off a pack of feral dogs. Not guaranteed, but the possibility is definitely there, and better than zero odds, if you can just turn off your brain and kill-kill-kill-kill.
I live in an area where there is no reaosnable way to carry a firearm when exploring the local wilderness, and I carry a knife, just like my regular bushcrafters, but with an extra inch and a partial double edge. It's not my bush knife, it's not my prime choice survival knife, hell- it's not even the only knife I take out on walks- but I do take it and the possibility of attack is why- spare me the argument that a knife can't kill effectively.