Feral dog attack kills two... rural Georgia

[AlexN]

Well,just as an update,the above mentioned pack of dogs was taken into either the Madison County or the Clark County Animal Shelter and terminated,put down,however you want to say killed. The original 9 detained and the 4 others rounded up and deemed part of the pack.
Lexington is about 50 miles from me,over on the other side of Athens. Dawg Country literally.LOL
An engineer where I work lives in Lexington--born and raised. He's a volunteer fireman,and they discussed it at length in the Fire Hall meeting two days after the incident occured.

 

[RedbeAR15]

"Authorities have rounded up about 11 dogs suspected in the rare attack and returned to the area Tuesday to find four more spotted by a deputy. The dogs were being held by animal control officials while authorities decide what to do with them, said Jim Fullington, special agent for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation."

Um, dude. how about you let some peta-person adopt them.


Okay, I'm going to come right out and say that when and as it is allowable, in an area where there is a threat level "above" the insect family, having a firearm is a plus. Required? No. But you have to have SOME other defense against the unexpected event like...this one. Not being there is the best, but even the best can be surprised.

So yeah, would a gun have helped? Let's say you have a basic revolver, and you hit twice out of your first 4 shots. Those feral dogs, they must KNOW you only have 2 shots left, so the 10-15 in the pack will rush you, right? Wrong- They are GONE by the time the third shot is fired. Especially if you are smart enough to shoot when it's obvious they are threatening, and not wait to get bit. With a firearm, any other argument is going down the path to ludicrous street- you might as well carry grenades and combat shotguns with a point and rearguard if you think you need 120 rounds for a pack of feral dogs.


Now, a knife? a stick? I've seen coyotes fought off by a ram, just so you know- ferocity means more than anything else. I do believe that with a decent knife or a stout staff, better yet a hawk and a knife, you cna fight off a pack of feral dogs. Not guaranteed, but the possibility is definitely there, and better than zero odds, if you can just turn off your brain and kill-kill-kill-kill.

I live in an area where there is no reaosnable way to carry a firearm when exploring the local wilderness, and I carry a knife, just like my regular bushcrafters, but with an extra inch and a partial double edge. It's not my bush knife, it's not my prime choice survival knife, hell- it's not even the only knife I take out on walks- but I do take it and the possibility of attack is why- spare me the argument that a knife can't kill effectively.

Kill the lead dog first - fo sho

I kinda have a question - if you know you are going into territory where you know you may be confronted with a situation where you could loose your life - Are you seriously going to be a good little law abiding citizen?

Really - what is the penalty for carrying a weapon where you are not supposed to versus the option of sustaining your life if necessary?

No contest - been there done that, etc.

Who is really going to check your bag unless there is a reason?

The good news is that laws are changing in our parks :thumbup:

You can bet YA I probably considered carrying in Yellowstone when my family hiked the remote areas - I'm just saying...

 

[RedbeAR15]

Well,just as an update,the above mentioned pack of dogs was taken into either the Madison County or the Clark County Animal Shelter and terminated,put down,however you want to say killed. The original 9 detained and the 4 others rounded up and deemed part of the pack.
Lexington is about 50 miles from me,over on the other side of Athens. Dawg Country literally.LOL
An engineer where I work lives in Lexington--born and raised. He's a volunteer fireman,and they discussed it at length in the Fire Hall meeting two days after the incident occured.

Excuse me, I do not believe they have scientifically determined that those were indeed the culprits.

 

[sidecutter]

Excuse me, I do not believe they have scientifically determined that those were indeed the culprits.

does it matter ? kill em all.

 

[koyote]

I kinda have a question - if you know you are going into territory where you know you may be confronted with a situation where you could loose your life - Are you seriously going to be a good little law abiding citizen?

Really - what is the penalty for carrying a weapon where you are not supposed to versus the option of sustaining your life if necessary?

It's really highly situational. If I'm heading up the eastern side of the Sierra, then I'll just pack away. no arguments, and the truth is that unless I'm being obnoxious, no ranger is going to say boo about it.

But the local wilderness is county, maybe state, and "random" land. Not parks to begin with, and much of it is completely unregulated or labelled 'preserve'. You find that the yolo and solano county sheriffs are a bit weird when it comes to these areas- it's at best 60/40 against you that you'll be searched if you are bushbeating. Best I can tell, aside from the occasional late night teenagers out sneaking PBRs, there's nothing but wild pig out there, but you know how the stories are- everywhere no controlled by armed guards and cameras is full of WILD HOMELESS MACHINE GUNNERS

 

[Bushman5]

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Originally Posted by RedbeAR15 View Post
I kinda have a question - if you know you are going into territory where you know you may be confronted with a situation where you could loose your life - Are you seriously going to be a good little law abiding citizen?

Really - what is the penalty for carrying a weapon where you are not supposed to versus the option of sustaining your life if necessary?
It's really highly situational. If I'm heading up the eastern side of the Sierra, then I'll just pack away. no arguments, and the truth is that unless I'm being obnoxious, no ranger is going to say boo about it.

But the local wilderness is county, maybe state, and "random" land. Not parks to begin with, and much of it is completely unregulated or labelled 'preserve'. You find that the yolo and solano county sheriffs are a bit weird when it comes to these areas- it's at best 60/40 against you that you'll be searched if you are bushbeating. Best I can tell, aside from the occasional late night teenagers out sneaking PBRs, there's nothing but wild pig out there, but you know how the stories are- everywhere no controlled by armed guards and cameras is full of WILD HOMELESS MACHINE GUNNERS[/QOUTE]

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first i'll answer the red highlighted qoute:

the penalty? unlawful use/ownership/transport of a banned firearm charges laid against me by the RCMP, unable to cross the border into the USA on my vacation as a result of said charges, loss of future purchases of firearms/ammunition, possible loss of future employment prospects after a criminal record check is done. I'd rather take my chances with a stout stick, sjambok, knife or other methods thank you very much.

now a response to the blue highlighted section above:

In the Fannin Mountain ranges here in BC there is a vast network of cameras and remote sensors in the woods and all along the river, as it is a watershed area. (Seymour, Grouse, Capilano and Cypress, and area 100KMs x 200KM in area) And while we do not have "armed guards" or "machine gunners", there is routine and random patrols of the area by the GVRD rangers, the RCMP, both on foot, horse, vehicle and by helicopter. This area is not the only area in BC with these measures, its just one of over 600 watersheds that are monitored.

 

[KiljoyKutlery]

While this discussion has turned "debatish", I still find the original article very interesting, and one of the reasons I visit WSS is the animal attack updates. I love hearing about survivor stories, and find stories such as this interesting and very sad.
As for the debate that has ensued...I dont know if a pack of wild dogs is "as much of" a threat to a healthy male with a stick or knife ( gun would end it IMO) as an older woman on a walk. I do believe a pack of hungry dogs would be menacing...and perhaps a major threat..but for now. I just see this a tragic tail, that shouldnt have happened but did.
I have been attacked by a single dog twice and 4 dogs once. The first time I was attacked I was around 12 years old, and narrowly escaped serious injury. The second time, 22 , I killed the dog, with my bare hands. I am not bragging, or claiming anything. I punched the dog in the head, and it died.
The final time I was jogging with headphones on, and was attacked by the group. They approached me from behind, at a full run. I turned at the last second, and jumped to avoid a bite to my hamstring. I stopped and turned, then charged the lead dog, and kicked him in the head. Not only did the other dogs run away, but the lead dog didnt...he lay were I kicked him, probubly with a broken neck. I am not a particularly violent person and really I hate violence. And I LOVE dogs...but I treat anything thats gonna be mean to me the same way.
Now I will say...I dont know if the 4 were a pack, but they wanted to bite me.
And I think that 11 or 17 dogs would suck the big one...you are gonna get bit sooner or later.:thumbdn:

 

[Silverdagger]

As a fan of Dog Whisperer, I would just use some of the training techniques I have learned on the show to repel the menacing animals. I'm an alpha male, so they will do whatever I act like I want them to do.

 

[RedbeAR15]

{QOUTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by RedbeAR15 View Post
I kinda have a question - if you know you are going into territory where you know you may be confronted with a situation where you could loose your life - Are you seriously going to be a good little law abiding citizen?

Really - what is the penalty for carrying a weapon where you are not supposed to versus the option of sustaining your life if necessary?
It's really highly situational. If I'm heading up the eastern side of the Sierra, then I'll just pack away. no arguments, and the truth is that unless I'm being obnoxious, no ranger is going to say boo about it.

But the local wilderness is county, maybe state, and "random" land. Not parks to begin with, and much of it is completely unregulated or labelled 'preserve'. You find that the yolo and solano county sheriffs are a bit weird when it comes to these areas- it's at best 60/40 against you that you'll be searched if you are bushbeating. Best I can tell, aside from the occasional late night teenagers out sneaking PBRs, there's nothing but wild pig out there, but you know how the stories are- everywhere no controlled by armed guards and cameras is full of WILD HOMELESS MACHINE GUNNERS[/QOUTE]

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first i'll answer the red highlighted qoute:

the penalty? unlawful use/ownership/transport of a banned firearm charges laid against me by the RCMP, unable to cross the border into the USA on my vacation as a result of said charges, loss of future purchases of firearms/ammunition, possible loss of future employment prospects after a criminal record check is done. I'd rather take my chances with a stout stick, sjambok, knife or other methods thank you very much.

now a response to the blue highlighted section above:

In the Fannin Mountain ranges here in BC there is a vast network of cameras and remote sensors in the woods and all along the river, as it is a watershed area. (Seymour, Grouse, Capilano and Cypress, and area 100KMs x 200KM in area) And while we do not have "armed guards" or "machine gunners", there is routine and random patrols of the area by the GVRD rangers, the RCMP, both on foot, horse, vehicle and by helicopter. This area is not the only area in BC with these measures, its just one of over 600 watersheds that are monitored.

Are you going to wave your weapon at the highest ridge therefore proclaiming your dominance? This isn't a juvenile macho thing

I'mj talking about a life of never having a ticket, never breaking any laws, and protecting my family - If there is a serious cop out there who would arrest me for that - then so be it.

You are never searched on the trail unless you give a reason - period - period - dot - dot - dot


Grab your whip - I'll grab my gun Good Luck Mang

 

[RedbeAR15]

While this discussion has turned "debatish", I still find the original article very interesting, and one of the reasons I visit WSS is the animal attack updates. I love hearing about survivor stories, and find stories such as this interesting and very sad.
As for the debate that has ensued...I dont know if a pack of wild dogs is "as much of" a threat to a healthy male with a stick or knife ( gun would end it IMO) as an older woman on a walk. I do believe a pack of hungry dogs would be menacing...and perhaps a major threat..but for now. I just see this a tragic tail, that shouldnt have happened but did.
I have been attacked by a single dog twice and 4 dogs once. The first time I was attacked I was around 12 years old, and narrowly escaped serious injury. The second time, 22 , I killed the dog, with my bare hands. I am not bragging, or claiming anything. I punched the dog in the head, and it died.
The final time I was jogging with headphones on, and was attacked by the group. They approached me from behind, at a full run. I turned at the last second, and jumped to avoid a bite to my hamstring. I stopped and turned, then charged the lead dog, and kicked him in the head. Not only did the other dogs run away, but the lead dog didnt...he lay were I kicked him, probubly with a broken neck. I am not a particularly violent person and really I hate violence. And I LOVE dogs...but I treat anything thats gonna be mean to me the same way.
Now I will say...I dont know if the 4 were a pack, but they wanted to bite me.
And I think that 11 or 17 dogs would suck the big one...you are gonna get bit sooner or later.:thumbdn:

the moral of the story is - who gets the frist bite in - you or them

 

[RedbeAR15]

It's really highly situational. If I'm heading up the eastern side of the Sierra, then I'll just pack away. no arguments, and the truth is that unless I'm being obnoxious, no ranger is going to say boo about it.

But the local wilderness is county, maybe state, and "random" land. Not parks to begin with, and much of it is completely unregulated or labelled 'preserve'. You find that the yolo and solano county sheriffs are a bit weird when it comes to these areas- it's at best 60/40 against you that you'll be searched if you are bushbeating. Best I can tell, aside from the occasional late night teenagers out sneaking PBRs, there's nothing but wild pig out there, but you know how the stories are- everywhere no controlled by armed guards and cameras is full of WILD HOMELESS MACHINE GUNNERS

BS - No dis intended - If you look like a duck, and sound like a duck, then chances are - blah blah blah

If you are a respectable individual, intent on protecting his family, then the motive is clear to all - period - been there done that several times -

WSS skills are not always about the physical entity, but rather the social entity as well - It takes a combination of both to survive in any instance -

All the best brother :thumbup:

 

[RedbeAR15]

As a fan of Dog Whisperer, I would just use some of the training techniques I have learned on the show to repel the menacing animals. I'm an alpha male, so they will do whatever I act like I want them to do.

absolutely Mang - but I'd have a back up plan too = as in a 10mm 1911 in my pocket

 

[Broos]

Sad those folks couldn't get away or climb a tree. Seriously, if you can grab a rock, brick, stick, or ?, it might buy you enough time to make it to a tree. I thought everyone knew you don't start shooting until AFTER you are up in the tree.

According to my understanding af a watershed, every square foot of dry earth is part of one, so I don't understand how that explains a government mounting a bunch of electronics in the woods. Thank God the freakin' gov't hasn't started mounting CCTV cameras in the woods I frequent. When they do I hope there are enough freemen left to rip them out! I'm OK with them at China lake, area 51, and the borders, though.

If there were 22 people killed by dogs in the US, obviously feral dog attack deaths are rare - I'll bet no more than a couple/few a year. Around 60 people die from lightning strikes ea. yr, fwiw.

 

[x39]

{QOUTE]the penalty? unlawful use/ownership/transport of a banned firearm charges laid against me by the RCMP, unable to cross the border into the USA on my vacation as a result of said charges,

I find some irony in the fact that a conviction for something that would not be a crime in the US makes one ineligible for entry to the US. Ahhh, the wonders of the post 9/11 era. Perhaps there are greater threats to worry about than feral dogs.
"Take heed of yonder dog. Look, when he fawns, he bites; and when he bites, His venom tooth will rankle to the death; Have not to do with him; Sin, death, and hell have set their marks on him."
-Shakespeare

 

[RedbeAR15]

Sad those folks couldn't get away or climb a tree. Seriously, if you can grab a rock, brick, stick, or ?, it might buy you enough time to make it to a tree. I thought everyone knew you don't start shooting until AFTER you are up in the tree.

According to my understanding af a watershed, every square foot of dry earth is part of one, so I don't understand how that explains a government mounting a bunch of electronics in the woods. Thank God the freakin' gov't hasn't started mounting CCTV cameras in the woods I frequent. When they do I hope there are enough freemen left to rip them out! I'm OK with them at China lake, area 51, and the borders, though.

If there were 22 people killed by dogs in the US, obviously feral dog attack deaths are rare - I'll bet no more than a couple/few a year. Around 60 people die from lightning strikes ea. yr, fwiw.

I would bet that is a comforting statistic to the victims family

 

[koyote]

I would bet that is a comforting statistic to the victims family

I think the idea is that- when 20 people per year die from dogs, dogs as a whole aren't a problem. The .... for lack of a better term "utopialiberal" response would be to ban all dogs from everyone (except police) forever, and while the statistic may not be emotionally comforting, it isn't like it's genocidal levels of death like...say...auto accidents.

Someone brought up coyotes- interesting point, because I've mostly lived in the west and coyotes do keep ferals down, as do cougars and bears. Only place I ever actually had a dog go after me was...virginia (in Herndon)

 

[Midnight Scout]

I was involved in a situation where a young man was attacked by his own pit bull. He pulled out his knife and stabbed it. Unlike TV, the dog did not die. It took many more vicious stabs to subdue and kill it.

The local police simply shoot dogs that threaten them (without being attacked first). Their guns put the dogs down immediately.

Based on that, I think carrying a gun is more effective for this type of situation than a knife. If you think there is a likelihood of dog attack, consider carrying a gun.

 

[Bushman5]

again, not all regions can carry firearms. So this argument of only guns will protect you is pure BS. Are they effective? yes. Are there other means that are effective? yes. will you get injured/bitten in either case? yes.

never underestimate a persons will to live. Man used to bring down Mastodons and sabertooths with rocks and sticks.

on a side note i carry bear spray and bear bangers when in the woods. Very effective tools.

 

[sixgunner455]

The reality is that some political entities restrict what a person can do in order to protect themselves, or what tools that they are "allowed" to have available in any given situation. You still have to protect yourself, adapt to the reality of your situation. I don't think that anybody is going to ban a stout walking stick -- I guess I'll have to stay home if they ever do, because I need mine. And that stick beats the heck out of empty hands when facing large predators. Go caveman on them, you know!!

Some people will say to move someplace that is more favorable to "rights." And in some ways, that is good advice -- to live where you can do as you will. But there are sometimes problems with that, as well. Family ties and employment prevent that for many people.

I am fortunate. I live where I do partly because of the enumerated freedoms we enjoy in this state. I have a good job, and my wife and have family and friends here. But I have been places that restricted more, and I didn't like it. At all.

I hike in the mountains and desert regularly, usually with my dog. I've only seen a couple of feral dogs, but I've seen a lot of coyotes, and taken a couple of shots at them to keep them away from my dog. They're in season year-round here, and any firearm is a legal tool to kill them with. I hope that I never face a starving pack of dogs. That just doesn't sound like any fun at all.

 

[fishshooter]

If there were 22 people killed by dogs in the US, obviously feral dog attack deaths are rare - I'll bet no more than a couple/few a year. Around 60 people die from lightning strikes ea. yr, fwiw.

It doesn't distinguish between feral and domesticated dogs, but the Center for Disease Control says that, on average, there are 4.7 million dog bites per year, 800,000 seek medical attention, and 386,000 need emergency treatment. They say, on average, twelve people die every year. Since the late 1990's the number has steadily increased.