Fiddle Fam sub-7" Pattern Compare? Pix Request

Thanks for the responses, everyone! This is all really helpful-- even if I'm now wondering if I should pick up a Hiking Buddy after all, as the pattern often seems to serve as the de facto (if unofficial) Fiddleback Standard of Measurement. :D

I feel it safe to say that the Hiking Buddy and the Bushfinger are the two most popular FF knives and for good reason. I’d definitely recommend getting a Hiking Buddy. It’s just a perfect design. Great size, great blade shape and a great handle to blade ratio. It’s really a perfect edc knife. It can literally go from table to woods.
 
As impressive as your tape measure may be (and: it is!), I'm still not sure how long the 24/7's handle is, due to the tricks of parallax and perspective.

Where in that fancy jumble of numbers does the handle length actually fall? o_O

~ P.
well....it depends on where you determine Dylan's scales start.
the amount of "usable" grip (for me)starts at the point just before the guard....it's 3 1/4" from there. It's 3 1/2" from the "point" in the middle of the scales
 
I feel it safe to say that the Hiking Buddy and the Bushfinger are the two most popular FF knives and for good reason. I’d definitely recommend getting a Hiking Buddy. It’s just a perfect design. Great size, great blade shape and a great handle to blade ratio. It’s really a perfect edc knife. It can literally go from table to woods.

I love the aesthetics of the Hiking Buddy, and may end up with one someday, still? But for now, I continue to rest in the results of my head-to-head comparisons of @Nbrackett's Hiking Buddy with my Patch (aka, My Favorite Fiddleback).

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More pictures and my blow-by-blow comparison here.

[I can't catch 'em all; my Patch hits its spot so thoroughly-- I flat out love the thing-- that I am currently focusing on smaller, complementary patterns vs another knife that would compete directly with the Patch in size, most use, etc.]

Meantime? Courtesy of VANCE VANCE and @Comprehensivist, I am soon going to have the privilege of evaluating their respective examples of the @Fletcher Knives 24/7 and the @Osprey Knife & Tool Tusk patterns -- how great is that?!

The two knives should be here early next week; stay tuned for my thoughts, comparisons, pictures, pegged Want meter, etc.

(Thank you again, guys!)

~ P.
 
I still have to figure out how to post pics here...
At exactly the 7” mark (3” blade, 4” handle), I have to suggest you try the Lil’ Lady. Surprised I haven’t seen it in any of the previous posts. Sleek and compact (and therefore very pocket friendly) yet still stout and capable in the 1/8” stock, with a blade shape that to this novice appears to be somewhere between the HB and the Patch (albeit altogether shorter than either), I absolutely love this design. In fact, it just might be the one I start to collect multiples of.
 
For My Consideration, courtesy of VANCE VANCE and @Comprehensivist, respectively:

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@Fletcher Knives 24/7, @Osprey Knife & Tool Tusk

Thanks, guys! I'll say it again: a knife can only truly be understood in hand, and I am deeply grateful for this opportunity. :thumbsup:

As usual, what follows are my very idiosyncratic impressions of fantastic handmade knives; my preferences, relatively lame tame uses, and personal bugaboos are near and dear to me, but bear no reflection on the top-shelf quality of any of the knives in question. I am more certain than ever that some of the attributes that might turn me away from a given knife are precisely those that will render it perfect in another's hands and life.

The sojourners join my Fray:
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Left, from the top: Patch, EDKarda, Esquire, Sgian Dubh; Right, from the top: Handyman, Sylvrfalcen, Fletcher 24/7, OK&T Tusk; top and bottom center, Runt and a Freeman Forge Pocket Muk

The Tusk upon arrival, in the winter dark:
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Once in the cold light of a new day, I was immediately put in mind of the appointments on my GS Mini:
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As with my previous experiences with Chris Linton's knives, my first and abiding impression is one of painstaking refinement. I find Chris's work to be characterized by a certain tautness of design, a purposefulness in execution-- and this wee Tusk is no exception.

I don't tend to prefer G10 for knife handles, but it really works well here; its minimalist elegance complements the pattern's lines while providing welcome weight to this smaller piece.

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(My hand and I especially liked the flare here at the front of the handle)

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The Tusk is closest in size to my homely Sgian Dubh, which hardly seems fair to the Tusk, but here we go!

The following markings bear no relation to the actual length of the respective knives, but I like the hand-drawn numbers so here you have it:

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(The Tusk is ever-so-slightly longer, I'd say ~ 6 1/4" to the SD's ~ 6 1/8".)

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(Cont.)

~ P.
 
[Rassnfrassn' image limit; Cont.]

As I've noted upon every telling of the SD's charms ("Let me guess: you have a great personality"), I love the way the gormless little bugger fits in my hand, and its handle-to-blade ratio...

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... even as the lack of indexing remains a concern:
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(A concern which admittedly only arises when I think about it; in real-life use, I'm now familiar enough with the knife that I don't foresee a whoopsie. We shall see.)

The Sgian Dubh also requested a buffy view:
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:rolleyes:


The Tusk's handle is made to sock in well via the front finger groove in front, and the angle and finishing on its pommel to the rear:
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And here, my first pictures weren't as clear in demonstrating the following as I'd hoped, so I paused just now to take the following in lamplight.

As in the previous picture, the contours of the handle and how it fits fingers:
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And here's the rub: the handle will undoubtedly fit bigger hands really well, and I'l venture that almost anyone seeking out this knife will larger hands than I-- it hits its target market.

But for me, if I align my hand in the most comfortable position, in keeping with the handle's cues (index finger in front groove, pommel of knife nestled between ring and pinky fingers), I am left holding the knife by its tail-- or so it feels:
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If I move my hand up to a more optimal position...
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... my middle finger lands exactly on top of the descending ridge, unless I scrunch it forward to share the groove with my index finger.
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Now, I can grab-and-go with this knife, let my fingers fall where they may, and possibly still determine it to be relatively comfortable over time and use. However, because I can envision
how great the knife would feel if it socked into my hand as designed, I would likely always wish it, or I, were other-- not a welcome feeling.

Dang.

~ P.
 
Take Your @Fletcher Knives 24/7 To Work Day:
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Okay, no punches pulled: I love this pattern. The knife is freakin' cool, and I want one.

In line with the Sub-7"ers:
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With the 'falcen...
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... and an Esquire:
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This fascinates me: look at the difference in blade-to-handle ratio in these two knives of similar relative length:
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There is also this!
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The 24/7's handle is not only significantly smaller, it is slimmer throughout, especially in its waist.

-- I usually don't like filework, as I mostly just envision the dirt the hole-ier kind will attract (think belly buttons + lint), but I love what Fletcher has done here, providing visual interest (and even more COOL) without the fussiness.
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Esquire in hand:
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(24/7 snuggling up to the 'falcen in the background, but nothing came of it.)
(( VANCE VANCE 's 24/7 is slightly magnetized, and continually sidled up to other knives. #rascal))

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Shout out to @Fiddleback, again, for the Esquire. Deliberate comparisons and evaluations such as these only remind me all the more of how much I enjoy this pattern, this knife; it holds its own against all comers. :thumbsup:

But, what's this?
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A knife that feels great in my hand. :cool:

I took more pictures trying to show Why, but they all looked like the one above-- my hand with a blade sticking out.

The 24/7's handle just plain works for me, its vertical contours swallowing up my hand in a very pleasing way, astonishingly so given its relative shortness. This particular knife is lighter than I'd anticipated (neither a plus or minus, and of course a consequence of steel width and handle material). I also really enjoy the relatively large blade.

Speaking of which, look where the 24/7 falls in my blade-length line-up:
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Like I said: COOL.

(to be Cont.)

~ P.
 
One of these things is not like the other:
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One of these things does THIS:

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--//--

I also put both the Esquire and the 24/7 on the useless, hand-drawn measure thingy (I believe it's an antique foot sizer?).

Esquire:
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Wouldja look at that swedge, those lines. Ooh, la.

24/7:
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And herein we glimpse a question mark regarding the 24/7: the blade tip, or lack thereof.

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The mark side seems to be snubbed, and the point isn't sharp. Whether or not the blade was like this from the get-go or had an Incident, were this my knife I would want a pointier, pointed point on the blade, hopefully from the maker, Tim the Wizard Tim the Wizard 'd if not.

In other news, notice how blue my BLUE Sylvrfalcen appears in these illustrative images:
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A final consideration in this go-round: as in previous Compares, I once again picked up each of the knives in succession to inexpertly smallen a block of basswood, and once again learned a lot, fast, especially when making draw cuts. The knives in my current stable fared well, the newcomers less so.

(Draw cuts make up a statistically small percentage of my regular knife tasks and uses, but when I want to make 'em, I want to make 'em.)

I spent a lot of time trying to determine which attributes factored in to the knives that worked well, and those that did not, and then trying to capture this in pictures.

In addition to a handle's linear geometry-- parabolic knives tend to be problematic, and the Tusk was no exception-- I need a certain degree/type of handle width in order to firmly grasp the knife in my fingers. If a handle is too thin, even (especially?) if tall, I cannot comfortably achieve the fingers-only grip needed.

It all comes down to the openness of 'C' formed by my fingers when grasping a knife's handle.

Esquire:
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Sgian Dubh, with a clearer view of what I mean by the 'C' of my fingers:
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The SD's girth makes it possible to keep the knife in my fingers, with no extra effort required to prevent it from falling down into my hand.
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The Runt stepped up to the plate:
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(Again, notice the relative openness of the 'C')

The EDKarda in the left background excels at this grip, but its illustrative picture didn't turn out. Meantime? Get thee an EDKarda; it's a woods monster, at least in Scandi form such as mine. It looks at wood, and wood flays and chips and dwindles. #word

The Tusk revealed itself to be a 100% fist knife, so completely that I ended up more in awe of design intent than frustrated that it wouldn't 'behave' as I wanted it to. In fact, it is more comfortable for me 'backwards' (once fully in hand) than in a regular forward grip.

Fingers only; once my hand closes, my thumb fits into the forward groove.
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Hmmmmm.
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When attempting to hold it for a draw cut, my fingers had to almost close in order to maintain a firm grasp, with the handle constantly trying to wriggle down into my fist throughout:

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[The blade angle and handle geometry of the 24/7 also did not lend itself well to draw cuts; it's manageable, but not the best choice. I didn't take a picture of Why because I want one anyway, so there.]

A return to Array, as I pack up the knives and prepare to move along:
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@Comprehensivist, VANCE VANCE -- THANK YOU again, and thank you to all who have provided pictures and impressions here and elsewhere. Whatever helps, helps! :)

~ P.
 
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Oh, the ways I must count my Lucky Stars: ~P is reviewing ~small~ knives! Thank you, as always, for your words, pictures, styles, and opinions.

I've got to say, I'm super impressed by the blade:handle ratio of the 24/7. I would personally be worried that the 24/7 handle length would hit my hand in the same funky way that the Esquire does. I by no means have large hands, but the Esquire rests right on the thickest part of the exterior "pad" of my palm. 3" handles work for me, as do 4" handles, but 3.5" handles haven't been warmed up to by my hand (yet). The possible handle quibbles may be worth it, though, for the usable edge gained over the Esquire.
 
Dig the electric orange on the 24/7!

Your issue with the tusk was the same I have with the CPK EDC knife - the ridge gets in the way of my hand.

Really nice set of blades you have there.
 
Ah, but I have!

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Bite-Sized Borry; A Bevy of Blue

My specific conclusions regarding the Lil Lady.

A classic case of "to each his own"; the Lil' Lady is one of the relatively few Fiddleback patterns I truly don't care for-- which is helpful for me to know, and leaves more for those who do enjoy it. o_O

~ P.

Yes, I only saw your thoughts on the LL after I posted my comment.
I personally love the LL for how slim (esp. in pocket) it is and the handle-to-blade ratio.
As an aside, from an esthetic perspective, it’s one of the few models where I don't like bolsters because of the way I feel it disrupts the unique curvature.

Now I really want to try a Sgian Dubh...
(Add it to this newbie’s list of wants that includes Handyman, Monarch, Bushnub and Bush Hermit...)
 
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I'm not a fan of neck knife size blades. 7" is about the smallest I really like. Anything smaller that that I prefer a folder.
 
I didn't take a picture of Why because I want one anyway, so there.

The 24/7 IS just a stinking cool knife, and you’re right the file work that doesn’t collect bellybutton lint is very aesthetic :D

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I would personally be worried that the 24/7 handle length would hit my hand in the same funky way that the Esquire does.

It seems we have the same issue with the Esquire. I love the profile and I REALLY want one to work for me (someday, @Fiddleback , someday!!).

That being said, I don’t have the same problem with the 24/7. It’s handle is just a tad shorter and it hits in a spot that is ok. Here’s some pics to illustrate the difference:

Here’s the indexing finger choils lined up.

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I think it’s that relative pointiness of the Esquire’s handle that doesn’t agree with our hands. It digs in just at the wrong spot, but the @Fletcher Knives 24/7 hits just a bit further back and it’s slightly more rounded.

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Your issue with the tusk was the same I have with the CPK EDC knife - the ridge gets in the way of my hand.

That is the same problem I have with my CPK Nomad, but it still is an awesome little paring knife and I don’t foresee it going anywhere unless Chris does a handle redesign with the kitchen specifically in mind.
 
It comes down to sizing, just like a glove. But, just to clarify - I actually havn't had the issue on any of Chris's knives. The EDC I mentioned was actually from Carothers Performance Knives.

See here:

The Osprey Knife & Tool Trailhand won out over the CPK EDC due to the ridge

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Although neither of them were finalists for carry at the end of the day.
 
It comes down to sizing, just like a glove. But, just to clarify - I actually havn't had the issue on any of Chris's knives. The EDC I mentioned was actually from Carothers Performance Knives.

See here:

The Osprey Knife & Tool Trailhand won out over the CPK EDC due to the ridge

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Although neither of them were finalists for carry at the end of the day.


What were your finalists @Panthera tigris ?
 
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