HDW, what you can do with the small, thin plate type sharpner is find a piece of wood or branch a bit wider, any length over 6-8" will do. Ok, now place the plate on the stick/piece of wood. Ok, take your dullish knife and carefully cut across the width of the branch marking the top of the plate. Do the same for the bottom of the plate, being careful not to cut through more than 1/8th" deep either end. Ok, put plate down, grab stick/wood and start at the top and hold the knife blade flat against the wood and then bring it up 15 degrees or so, the height of a nickel say. Take a slice alomost down to the bottom mark. Now you can stick the plate in from the top end of the slice and it should be held captive by the piece of wood above. Sharpen resting on something, fingers are all clear. If the blade is Mora thin, I've cut into the center of the 2 marks the width of the plate and slid the plate in the side, and sharpened that way. Same for the DMT stones, cut out a notch the length of the DMT and force fit it into the notch on the stick and sharpen away!