Fillicietti, what happened?

Chiro75 said:
If I knew someone who has been ripped off and not repaid I would take a different stance.
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It doesn't take very long to find out his still owes Chen money and has for a very long time. It comes up quickly in any thread about Blade.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
It doesn't take very long to find out his still owes Chen money and has for a very long time. It comes up quickly in any thread about Blade.

-Cliff
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I am pretty sure that he meant "personally" knew someone, not like in the abstract, or in say, the Far East.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Allen Blade also owes Rob Simonich's widow a substantial amount for talonite he never paid for.
 
:barf: Is he making payments to either of these people? Have either taken legal action? Again, I'm not taking sides or saying the people who've been wronged are wrong, but when someone owes me money they get sent to collections. Why is it different here? Order cancelled with Allan, FWIW.
 
Chiro75 said:
Is he making payments to either of these people?
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He has made payments to Chen, set up a schedule, missed payments, changed amounts, stopped communication.

Blade also mentioned bankruptcy when Simonich contacted him a long time ago as many people had claims against him.

-Cliff
 
Did he actually file for bankruptcy, and did that legally absolve him of these debts? This is exactly what my original comments were about. Everyone goes through tough times, everyone has their lives change in unexpected ways very quickly, everyone has bills to pay, shelter to find and mouths to feed. I can't tell you how many thousands of dollars I've lost in my practice because people expect to get free health care, they cry me a river, they beg for free care or to carry a balance "for a while" (which means eternity), but then they go on vacation every other week, smoke a carton of cigs and drink 3 cases of beer every week, etc. To me, if someone owes me money, they're going to pay, or at least they're going to get a negative mark on their credit rating if nothing else. I don't get letting it slide. I did that for a couple years and I lost out big time.
 
The details were never fully discussed on the forums, he never said exactly who he was clearing debt from. Specific to Chen he notes he has an outstanding debt and has arranged a payment schedule but missed it on several occasions, reduced payments on others, failed to keep up communication, etc. .

He was also making and selling knives for a long time while not giving out knives for existing prepayed orders. This really put some people off. Consider how you would feel if someone order a knife from you, you sent it to them and they delayed sending you the money while continuing to buy other knives for a long time.

-Cliff
 
Cougar Allen said:
Allen Blade also owes Rob Simonich's widow a substantial amount for talonite he never paid for.
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From what I understand, though I think this sucks, Allan went through bankrupcy proceedings and listed Rob as one of his creditors. That means that legally he doesn't owe Christine anything. Morally is another thing all together.
 
Chiro75 said:
Did he actually file for bankruptcy, and did that legally absolve him of these debts?
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Yes he did file for bankrupcy. He listed only businesses, not people he owed knives to. He considered Rob to be a business.

The above is just what I have gotten from emails sent to me by Allan, and not something I know to be true.
 
That is different than what he posted here where he claimed people who "ripped him off" like TOP's were being addressed in such a manner.

-Cliff
 
As far as what I got from Allan, he listed all business debt, not just the debt from those businesses that he felt ripped him off.
 
Declaring bankruptcy only clears your legal debt not your moral debt. Mr. Blade took money from people knowing he would not and could not deliver. The only way to address this type of moral/criminal fraud in America is if enough people who were ripped off get together and convince a district attorney to prosecute. You cannot win on one or two cases of business fraud, you need a group of people which is hard to organize...been there, tried it. Now if the one or two cases of fraud was expensive, occurred to someone with juice, or was a good political issue in an election year, maybe you can get justice.

Cheers Chiro for canceling your order.
 
Details? One person or many? Small amounts or large? Has he made attemps to deal with it, making payments or partial orders?

-Cliff
 
ptgdvc said:
Doug Timbs is a first rate maker and a completely trustworthy individual. imho.

I recommend him and his work to everyone, with NO hesitation whatsoever. :)
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Absolutely ditto!!!
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Details? One person or many? Small amounts or large? Has he made attemps to deal with it, making payments or partial orders?

-Cliff
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Cliff, I am sure that only Allan knows how many, and how much. I do know that he still owes Joe $700.00 to $800.00. The rest are one or two knives. He has been slowly providing knives to those that he owes, and has made some payments to Joe, but at the rate he is going it will take ten years for him to get what he owes Joe fully paid up. It does look like he is making an effort. He is taking a very long time, but that is better than not doing anything at all.
 
Allan's problem, in my opinion, is pricing. I had ordered his Packpal, I think, which is his normal plain jane Bushcraft knife. I think the base price on the knife is $55 or something like that and for another $10 or something I was getting it with mosaic pins and a firestarter holder on the sheath. I own one of Allan's Chipmunks from long before he had any of these problems and the quality of his work is outstanding. he could easily charge $150 for that knife and still be at a very fair price. Personally, I'd rather make one good knife for $150 than three good knives for $50 each, but I'm lazy, I guess. He could charge three times what he charges, have 1/3 as many knives to make to make the same profit, and probably not lose much business in the meantime.
 
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