finally getting my CCW!!

[emt1581]

Unless you have a lot of experience stay away from single and striker action pistols. Go with a double/single action auto or revolver.

I'd like to see more of an explanation on this statement.

Sounds oddly similar to the guy behind the counter at the local overpriced shop that told my girlfriend, now wife, to get a revolver...right before she told him she preferred her Glock.

There is nothing wrong with not having second strike capability and a heavier trigger is never good for beginners IMO.

Glocks/XD's/M&P's all make for excellent CCW and beginner guns...meat and potatoes with little left to confuse the hand.

-Emt1581

 

[Bravado]

I'd like to see more of an explanation on this statement.

Sounds oddly similar to the guy behind the counter at the local overpriced shop that told my girlfriend, now wife, to get a revolver...right before she told him she preferred her Glock.

There is nothing wrong with not having second strike capability and a heavier trigger is never good for beginners IMO.

Glocks/XD's/M&P's all make for excellent CCW and beginner guns...meat and potatoes with little left to confuse the hand.

-Emt1581

I agree with the trigger weight if you're shooting at a range in a controlled environment but if we're talking CCW I feel with the Glock you better have serious trigger and muzzle discipline especially when drawing from a concealed rig under stressful conditions. The Glock is basically a condition zero pistol when a round is chambered. Also in general consider this, a lot of people get shot in the hands how well can she shoot single or weak handed? A lot of people limp wrist under stress how well can she clear malfunctions? How about single weak hand malfunctions?

 

[Gravelface]

I alternate between a Sig P220, Kimber 1911, S&W .357 Air weight, and a Taurus .357 ...heavy weight. Formal wear, I go with pocket on a revolver. Normal everyday I IWB on the Front either of the .45s.

CCW are great, most states recognize each others permits. My sig sits in a CHEAP $6 holster I got from Academy and the Kimber sits in an inexpensive leather holster. All work great and Congrats on the CCW!!!!

 

[Bravado]

I alternate between a Sig P220, Kimber 1911, S&W .357 Air weight, and a Taurus .357 ...heavy weight. Formal wear, I go with pocket on a revolver. Normal everyday I IWB on the Front either of the .45s.

CCW are great, most states recognize each others permits. My sig sits in a CHEAP $6 holster I got from Academy and the Kimber sits in an inexpensive leather holster. All work great and Congrats on the CCW!!!!

Me loves the concealed carry revolver in the front pocket, gun's already in hand.

 

[retrocon]

I agree with the trigger weight if you're shooting at a range in a controlled environment but if we're talking CCW I feel with the Glock you better have serious trigger and muzzle discipline especially when drawing from a concealed rig under stressful conditions. The Glock is basically a condition zero pistol when a round is chambered. Also in general consider this, a lot of people get shot in the hands how well can she shoot single or weak handed? A lot of people limp wrist under stress how well can she clear malfunctions? How about single weak hand malfunctions?

We all have our opinions. I might side with EMT on this one, though. The Glock striker fired action is often called a "safe action" because it's a compromise between the heavy DA first shot or DA revolver pull. DA first shot autos are the pits to learn to shoot well safely, as under stress, one doesn't "think" about the second shot being SA, they just remember the trigger they just pulled. And DA revolvers can be difficult for weaker people to handle, ever see a 74 year old retiree try to pull the trigger on a even a 38+p revolver? But a glock or other striker fired action has the length of pull that prevents the easy SA "touch off," but not as much force is required. And, with the trigger safety, "snagging" is less likely. On the other hand, a slide can be tough to manipulate, too.

Besides, if you have experienced the new ruger LCR action, you also see that a revolver DA trigger can be nearly as smooth and non-stacking as a Glock, too.

I think when someone selects a carry firearm they need to consider their experience, physical abilities, size, practice commitment, and finally, go out, handle the firearms, and learn about them before you buy.

Frankly, the more important question to ask about "revolver" vs. "automatic" is the willingness of the user to learn the manual of arms, practice clearing it, and developing the "extra" muscle memory and finger/hand strength and technique for manipulating the slide of an auto for loading and malfunction handling. Remember, under stress, anything that is not "muscle memory" through practice is probably not going to happen. So, for "casual users," simple is better.

There's no "perfect" choice. It's about what an individual can do, or will commit themselves to do.

Just my 2cents.

 

[stephenthesuave]

Whatever you will carry every opportunity you get is the right answer 100% of the time.

Thousands upon thousands of people carry glocks every day and manage to not shoot themselves. I've heard of a few incidents, of course (DEA "pofessional" comes to mind), but those incidents invariably point to poor handling. Anyone who has concerns with the Glock trigger being too light @ ~5.5 lbs can opt for the heavier "NY-1" 8lb trigger for a whopping $2. Hell, the NY-2 trigger is 11lbs! I have no qualms carrying with my stock trigger, and would even consider carrying with the 3.5lb connector if it didn't kill the reset feel.

About the last thing anyone should be thinking about is second strike capability, in my opinion (which is worth what you paid for it just now). Any click when I want a boom gets tap-rack-banged.

 

[jkaczyn18]

I have carried a lot of different guns. From Nighthawk and Ed Brown 1911's to a Karh CW45. I currently carry a Glock 36 in a OWB holster. With a Pearce +1 extension I get 7 rounds plus 1 in the chamber. For summer carry its just easier and I don't sweat all over my more expensive guns. The 36 fits me very well and you can see it with a untucked shirt. As said before a good belt and holster will make all the difference in how comfortable you will be.

 

[emt1581]

I agree with the trigger weight if you're shooting at a range in a controlled environment but if we're talking CCW I feel with the Glock you better have serious trigger and muzzle discipline especially when drawing from a concealed rig under stressful conditions. The Glock is basically a condition zero pistol when a round is chambered. Also in general consider this, a lot of people get shot in the hands how well can she shoot single or weak handed? A lot of people limp wrist under stress how well can she clear malfunctions? How about single weak hand malfunctions?

All of the things you are talking about can be issues with lots of different guns though especially keeping the gun pointed in a safe direction and finger off the trigger until firing.

If you can't keep your finger off the trigger, keep a solid stance/grip, shoot one handed, etc...those are ALL things that should be worked on and are not really relating to the gun itself.

As has been mentioned it is a personal choice. But I've had several people thank me for suggesting Glock to them. They are pretty much idiot proof and uber reliable.

When it comes down to it, I'd suggest shooting as many guns as possible and then getting whatever they are the most comfortable and accurate with....not fast (initially) but ACCURATE.

-Emt1581

 

[kimberfan]

KF, Del Norte is CA, right?

Check out this sight. http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#17G

Number 18 in particular...

"What fees can I charge for handling a Private Party Transfer (PPT)?

If the transaction is a PPT, you are restricted to charging no more than $25.00 in State fees described and $10.00 per firearm for conducting the PPT. For example:

For a PPT involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees are $35.00 for the first handgun, and $31.00 for each subsequent handgun.
For PPTs involving one or more long guns, the State fees are limited to $25.00 for the whole transaction plus $10.00 dealer fee per firearm transferred.
(PC section 12082)"

I dunno, maybe i'm reading it wrong... either way, glad i'm NOT in the Socialist Republic of CA.

ok talked to my normal FFL, he said all i need to do is fill out a DOJ forum and send it to them with 19$ and boom done it basically lets them know i bought a handgun out of state and transfers it into my name and puts the gun on their records, even if the gun was a gift this is the best way to go from what i read and my FFL told me.

 

[retrocon]

ok talked to my normal FFL, he said all i need to do is fill out a DOJ forum and send it to them with 19$ and boom done it basically lets them know i bought a handgun out of state and transfers it into my name and puts the gun on their records, even if the gun was a gift this is the best way to go from what i read and my FFL told me.

Cool, had a feeling that other place, with their 50 dollar "storage fee" was ripping you off. Glad to hear you found a good FFL. My experience is that good ones are really the norm, but as in any business, you get a few snake oil salesmen.

 

[yoko]

Best firearm safety is between your ears

 

[Bravado]

All of the things you are talking about can be issues with lots of different guns though especially keeping the gun pointed in a safe direction and finger off the trigger until firing.

If you can't keep your finger off the trigger, keep a solid stance/grip, shoot one handed, etc...those are ALL things that should be worked on and are not really relating to the gun itself.

As has been mentioned it is a personal choice. But I've had several people thank me for suggesting Glock to them. They are pretty much idiot proof and uber reliable.

When it comes down to it, I'd suggest shooting as many guns as possible and then getting whatever they are the most comfortable and accurate with....not fast (initially) but ACCURATE.

-Emt1581

I did say trigger discipline didn't I? The reason why I'm saying that is because most people
don't have the discipline or knowledge to really know what that means. Most people will just go out and buy a gun based on what someone else tells them or what they feel comfortable with while shooting paper targets at a gun range. Very few will actually seek any type of training or even gun safety training. The Glock pistol has a very light trigger with a relatively short throw hence trigger discipline or bang. This is why most firearms have manual safeties and heavier trigger weights to compensate for lack of trigger discipline/training.

 

[Bravado]

We all have our opinions. I might side with EMT on this one, though. The Glock striker fired action is often called a "safe action" because it's a compromise between the heavy DA first shot or DA revolver pull. DA first shot autos are the pits to learn to shoot well safely, as under stress, one doesn't "think" about the second shot being SA, they just remember the trigger they just pulled. And DA revolvers can be difficult for weaker people to handle, ever see a 74 year old retiree try to pull the trigger on a even a 38+p revolver? But a glock or other striker fired action has the length of pull that prevents the easy SA "touch off," but not as much force is required. And, with the trigger safety, "snagging" is less likely. On the other hand, a slide can be tough to manipulate, too.

Besides, if you have experienced the new ruger LCR action, you also see that a revolver DA trigger can be nearly as smooth and non-stacking as a Glock, too.

I think when someone selects a carry firearm they need to consider their experience, physical abilities, size, practice commitment, and finally, go out, handle the firearms, and learn about them before you buy.

Frankly, the more important question to ask about "revolver" vs. "automatic" is the willingness of the user to learn the manual of arms, practice clearing it, and developing the "extra" muscle memory and finger/hand strength and technique for manipulating the slide of an auto for loading and malfunction handling. Remember, under stress, anything that is not "muscle memory" through practice is probably not going to happen. So, for "casual users," simple is better.

There's no "perfect" choice. It's about what an individual can do, or will commit themselves to do.

Just my 2cents.

Picture that same 74 year old lady with no firearms training pulling out a Glock in a stressful situation with her finger on the trigger the whole time she's under stress!

 

[Bravado]

Best firearm safety is between your ears

Yghh.......... ok I guess it's just inherently known.

 

[retrocon]

Picture that same 74 year old lady with no firearms training pulling out a Glock in a stressful situation with her finger on the trigger the whole time she's under stress!

Like i said, each person and individual are different.

I think we agree that training is important. And without some training, i wouldn't put a .22 in someones hands. Not sure why all the strawman arguments, though... Glock and other safe/striker actions are actually considered among the safest firearms on the market for high stress situations. That, and capacity, are why so many PDs have gone with them. PDs take liability from accidents very seriously. I'm still a 1911 guy, but they all have their place.

BTW: My 76 year old, 92 lb mother-in-law owns and carries a Glock 19.

 

[Bravado]

Like i said, each person and individual are different.

I think we agree that training is important. And without some training, i wouldn't put a .22 in someones hands. Not sure why all the strawman arguments, though... Glock and other safe/striker actions are actually considered among the safest firearms on the market for high stress situations. That, and capacity, are why so many PDs have gone with them. PDs take liability from accidents very seriously. I'm still a 1911 guy, but they all have their place.

BTW: My 76 year old, 92 lb mother-in-law owns and carries a Glock 19.

Yes and PD's do have some measure of training and most importantly trigger discipline is taught and stressed throughout their training, this is what I've been saying all along.

 

[tjiscooler]

Sig P229 DAK is what I like

I was looking into the 229 myself. its no to big/heavy for you? what you use to to caryy it with?

 

[idahoskunk]

i didn't even know a clock could shoot bullets?



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[stephenthesuave]

i didn't even know a clock could shoot bullets?



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[retrocon]

Yes and PD's do have some measure of training and most importantly trigger discipline is taught and stressed throughout their training, this is what I've been saying all along.

Actually cops are often the worst trained, and most ingrained with bad habits... our local rangemasters cringe when someone says "It's ok, i'm a cop." I go out shooting occasionally with a local SWAT guy on the entry team. Oops, should really say, i outshoot him, at least on the pistol range. It's just a matter of practice... he kicks my butt on the AR platform, because that's what he practices.

Glad that Kimberfan is getting set up, and hopefully, he gets out and practices plenty. It's one thing to have a 1911 on the bedstand, but walking around "cocked and locked" makes you feel a little funny, at least, at first.

Good luck, KF!!!





That said,