Finger Choils and Handle Design

5-by-5 said:
He clearly showed intrigue. So I'm wrong. I've projected my frustration.
There's no way he doesn't feel frustration for ignorance and my Lego analogy.
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Dude, again, relax.

What ignorance? Just because you have strong preferences doesn't invalidate those of others. Who is being ignorant?

You did see where I praised the Manix 2 right? In fact, it's in my top five knife designs of all time.
 
5-by-5 said:
There's no way he doesn't feel frustration for ignorance
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I know I certainly do, I think you do, and I think most people do. I dont know Sal, but he gives the appearance of having a high level of patience

5-by-5 said:
Enthusiastic is not the same as demeaning a product because it's not more like Benchmade or POS CRK.
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I'm not a fan of either of those brands and I'm not sure who was demeaning any of his products.

Dont forget, in the thread that spawned this thread, I entered the conversation by defending the existing design.
 
Eli Chaps said:
Dude, again, relax.

What ignorance? Just because you have strong preferences doesn't invalidate those of others. Who is being ignorant?

You did see where I praised the Manix 2 right? In fact, it's in my top five knife designs of all time.
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Sal has posted this adnosium, any significant changes in a design is a totally different knife. $1000, years of prototype and its own shop floor line.
 
By demanding radical changes resulting in a different model. Which demands an entire production floor pushing out other models. Maybe even resulting in the end of a model like the Chinook or the Police!
 
5-by-5 said:
Sal has posted this adnosium, any significant changes in a design is a totally different knife. $1000, years of prototype and its own shop floor line.
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Right. I get that. I'm not talking about any kind of re-designs and actually said that. I'm just conversing about potential new offerings. You do realize they are going to continue putting money into R&D for new designs no matter what style they are right?
 
5-by-5 said:
Sal has posted this adnosium, any significant changes in a design is a totally different knife. $1000, years of prototype and its own shop floor line.
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My whole point, the whole reason I posted on this thread today, is because it seems that the no choil concept can be done on the existing PM2 platform, without any radical design changes.

Different blade, different scales. That's it.

Since the onset of the topic, the conversation has centered around doing this with a Shaman. Again, I'm simply asking if its possible through the PM2 platform.
 
Well I'll shut up now.
I'm just like a Republican expressing logic only to have soy lattes thrown at me.

There are plenty of choilless models. What's wrong with the Tenacious?

Peace out....
 
Eli Chaps said:
I didn't want to muck up the "no choil Shaman" post any further with a generic discussion so just starting a new thread.

In that thread I mentioned my general dislike for finger choils but that isn't completely accurate. While I do tend see them as lost blade, I also understand the design intricacies and when you look at a lot of knives out there, the tangs are almost as long as a choil would be.

My issue is more specifically, an overall handle design that makes the use of the choil almost mandatory for a comfortable grip. I absolutely love the Manix 2 and find I can use it equally well with or without the choil. So in that case, I don't mind them at all.

So maybe my "issue" is more with a neutral handle design than the choil itself. I'd really like to see more options without the handle bumps.

I'm really looking forward to the new Leaf Jumper. My only concern is it looks a bit Stretch 2-ish. As much as that is a great knife for some reason it always pressed down on my middle knuckle weird and I just never got comfortable with it. But still, excited for it to come out and give it a spin!
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For me it depends more on the size of the knife as to whether I like the choil or not, for knives smaller than 3" I've found I actually like well-made choils more often than not. I am referring to when I bought I Delica and soon after replaced it with a Native LW. I find the Delica handle to be a tad small even if the blade is nice and usable, while the Native's blade has a smaller cutting surface the choil improves the handle so much that I can't stop carrying and using it as my go-to folding knife. For such a small and lightweight knife the choil really makes all the difference for me in using it, while the Delica has all blade and no choil it's just not as comfortable for me without that handle extension of the choil.

Bigger knives like the Manix and Shaman I haven't found the need for the choil, but I also don't carry bigger knives in general so that's outside my area of expertise. I do like the Shaman's design a lot and I think the choil is still very nice on it as it reminds me of the Native's big brother; I don't think it's necessary though and I found myself not using the choil as much as I expected.
 
Let's try getting the unsurmountable cringe out of the way first.

Okay. Are we ready? Breath.


Any change to a model that is not just scales and blade material is a redial change to the model.

Resulting in a change to all jigs molds and training.

First of all it takes prototyping, up to 2 years. All tweaks effect release. The only thing that expedites a release is a dealer exclusive

Removal of a choil or a lock mechanism change is radical!
 
5-by-5 said:
I'm so sick of the Lego block mentality. There are so many models. Plenty choilless. I have a Police in my pocket now.

I see great models dying with this squiky wheel pandering.

Go bye a choilless model and stop mudying the waters.

Spyderco please stop pandering to the squeaky wheel.
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Nope. Sounds horrible.
 
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