First Blood Jimmy Lile knife

I am still kicking my ass. I had the opportunity at a couple of gun shows to buy the First Blood from Jimmy himself for $550. Then he had the second one but I don't remember the price now. And the Alamo series. He tried to sell me the Grey Ghost for $300. If I could but just go back in time for a few minutes...
 
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SCARFACE said:
how much would it cost to have an exact replica of th knife made,by a custom knife maker with more durable materials
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I onced owned this very knife. While the steel is excellent quality I would not bet my life on the knife or any other knife that has the same hollow survival handle. Remember with the handle being hollow there is not full tang. If you don't know the tang is the metal part of the blade that extends into the handle. Without a full tang you only have a small stub of metal going into the handle that will break easily. I found this out with my buckmaster that had the exact same features. Snapped off right at the handle.
If you want to see some really good knives and talk to guys that know how to make them and what they are really all about go over to the Hoods Woods forum and look in the bladeware section. here is the link for all of the forum rooms over there.
http://www.survival.com/IVB/
By the way you are also going to pay a whapping $700.00 minimum from the Lyle corporation to own this knife. There are much better and much more durable knives around believe me. Here are some examples:
http://www.fehrmanknives.com/knives.htm
http://www.razorback-knives.com/index2.html
(look at page 3 of this guys gallery. They may not be sexy like the Rambo knife but there are guys in the hoods woods forums that have actually chopped down pine trees with them. I damn sure wouldn't trust a Lyle for that. Here's the link to prove it.
Here's the knives:
http://www.razorback-knives.com/images/Picture 007.jpg
And here's the guys that did the chopping that swear buy them.
http://www.razorback-knives.com/images/Picture 008.jpg

There are so many good knives and knife makers out there don't get caught up in the high priced sexy movie knives like I did. I was lucky to be able to get rid of mine for what I paid for it.
It may look sexy but if your serious about knives it how it works that counts.
 
http://www.yamahide.com/ has many real Lile knives. They have Rambo2 with the blade all gray. It was priced 650,000 Japanese Yen. about 5,500 US dollar. Comes with a small dagger. They are both made from 440c stainless steel. I want just the dagger if they sell seperately.
 
Sundsvall said:
The originals sold from Lile for about $600-$800 and were made from D2 steel.

Now that Lile is gone and many years has gone by, expect to pay anywhere from $1000 -$1500 for the first blood knife and around $5000 for the knife from the second movie.

Les Robertson gets them once in a while, but if he gets it for you, you're going to pay for it.
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Bobby Branton sold a Sly II just before christmas for $1900 In the sale forums.

There is an article in the mar. 2007 blade The first 13 were special They had 14 saw teeth, #1-6 were bought by Stalone, marked movie knife and all were destroyed via abuse during the filming. Allegedly they are in pieces in a bag somewhere. #7-13 are according to the article worth what ever the market will bear. #14-100 have 12 saw teeth and are worth $17,000 to $26,000 each. The remaining serial numbered #101-800 are worth $1,700 to $3,000
 
I too, just read about this in Blade!


United is going bankrupt aren't they? They make one or two decent knives in 154 by the way..........



*not that I would own any*
 
I onced owned this very knife. While the steel is excellent quality I would not bet my life on the knife or any other knife that has the same hollow survival handle. Remember with the handle being hollow there is not full tang. If you don't know the tang is the metal part of the blade that extends into the handle. Without a full tang you only have a small stub of metal going into the handle that will break easily.
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Ummm...I hate to put a damper on your tirade on the inadequacies of the "short tang survival knife", but almost any knife can snap at the tang...regardless of it`s length. The solution to this problem is a proper heat treat. Apparently, the Buckmasters suffered from this dillemma when they first came out back in the mid 80s, and Buck swears up and down that they corrected the problem shortly after. Now if you are referring to a loose blade/loose handle type scenario...well, I think it is safe to say that any knife with a full tang is just as prone to experience a loose handle. I really don`t think it is necessary to cite examples.

From the info that I`ve gathered, a quality hollow-handled knife with a piece of pipe for a grip (with the exception of the Chris Reeve line) will have a threaded tang that is epoxied in place and/or a metal dowel inserted orthogonal to the grip. The result is an exceptionally strong attachment between tang and handle...assuming that it was done correctly.





Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
 
TheFacts said:
Ummm...I hate to put a damper on your tirade on the inadequacies of the "short tang survival knife", but almost any knife can snap at the tang...regardless of it`s length. The solution to this problem is a proper heat treat. Apparently, the Buckmasters suffered from this dillemma when they first came out back in the mid 80s, and Buck swears up and down that they corrected the problem shortly after. Now if you are referring to a loose blade/loose handle type scenario...well, I think it is safe to say that any knife with a full tang is just as prone to experience a loose handle. I really don`t think it is necessary to cite examples.

From the info that I`ve gathered, a quality hollow-handled knife with a piece of pipe for a grip (with the exception of the Chris Reeve line) will have a threaded tang that is epoxied in place and/or a metal dowel inserted orthogonal to the grip. The result is an exceptionally strong attachment between tang and handle...assuming that it was done correctly.


Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
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Because this is a forum I am going to disagree with you. (I can do that can't I?)
Anyway the hollow handled survival knife only has a short piece of blade protruding into the handle. Usually no wider than 1/2" by whatever the thickness of the blade is. While a full tang blade has the strenght of the entire width of the blade running the full length of the handle. Even if the handles do happen to come loose at least I still have the full functionality of the blade at my disposal. In a pinch I can wrap the handle area with anything and still be able to use it. The Hollow handled is going to be useless when it comes loose from the handle. All I'll have is the blade to hold. There won't be anything else to grab onto.
IMHO....The hollow handled knife has created it's own weak spot when they joined the two metals at the point it is most likely to suffer the most pressure from.
 
hunter301 said:
I would not bet my life on the knife or any other knife that has the same hollow survival handle. .
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The rambo knives are some great looking knives.
Thats why they were in a movie,,they are very good looking on film and in real life.

But if I were to get and to use a knife like this in "Real life" I also would face the same problem of that darn hollow handle.
I wish the guy who designed the Rambo knife in question would have went with a full-tang design.
I think that a full-tang Rambo knife would be the way to go if you were going to hire a guy to make a version for yourself.

Like I said, I like the look of all the different Rambo knives.
They do well what they were made to do, and thats look cool.

If I ever got good enough at my knife making that i tried to make my own Rambo blade, I would go with a full-tang and have the little "secrets" hidden under a hollow scale.
 
To add to the hollow handle discussion - Chris Reeve designed and milled his from a solid piece of bar stock precisely because of the problem of joining a piece of pipe to a stub tang. His don't fail.

His don't have sawbacks, either, because the original design was for extraction by living crew members getting out of downed aircraft. The saw teeth were to cut light aluminum or plexiglass, which actually requires a fine tooth to keep from snagging thin materials.

The translation to the Lile knife is a question he can answer - I haven't read it if it was given. I chalk it up to Hollywood. Since then it's gone crazy, with little real world justification for it. Really, a 7 to 12" bowie clipped sawback with a weak tang joint and no room to put real survival gear? Just enough for a fish line and meds - the original intent - as made by Randall on special order. I think it's still available. It was the first.
 
iirc the 1st randall survival knives[model 14 attack survival?] were full-tanged knives as was specified by the designer who was a member of the armed forces,i cannot remember the details
edit - model 18
 
Acyually the estimated price for an actual Lile bowie from the first movie is "whatever tha market can bear". I dont think many people would copy the design outright. R.J. Martin made a version of the knife for Vanguard I believe.
 
Because this is a forum I am going to disagree with you. (I can do that can't I?)
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Hey man...it`s a free country and forum. GO FOR IT! :cool:

Anyway the hollow handled survival knife only has a short piece of blade protruding into the handle. Usually no wider than 1/2" by whatever the thickness of the blade is. While a full tang blade has the strenght of the entire width of the blade running the full length of the handle. Even if the handles do happen to come loose at least I still have the full functionality of the blade at my disposal. In a pinch I can wrap the handle area with anything and still be able to use it. The Hollow handled is going to be useless when it comes loose from the handle. All I'll have is the blade to hold. There won't be anything else to grab onto.
IMHO....The hollow handled knife has created it's own weak spot when they joined the two metals at the point it is most likely to suffer the most pressure from.
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True, you could wrap a full length tang, but many full tang knives have blind tangs which can be very thin (may require an lot of duct tape :rolleyes: ). An example would be the Kabar.

The arguements against the hollow handle over the years have been based on your posted statements. However, considering the famous traditional offerings from Lile, Buck, Randall, Crain, etc...the arguements are unjustified. In simple terms, if the design and construction are of excellent quality, there really is nothing to worry about.




Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
 
Steven Roos said:
Do you plan on using it? If so, avoid United Cutlery like the plauge! :eek:
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I bought one years ago. It is for display or scaring your neighbors only. Mine broke and the blade flew off the first time I used it. The saw won't saw. The blade won't cut very well. If you chop with it, make sure the area is clear of children or others who might be injured when the hoaky blade separates from the "survival kit" handle. It is over priced junk. If you must buy a cheap United Cutlery survival knife, get the Colt Jungle Commander. It actually works, and is damn near unbreakable (except for a Cliff Stamp test).
 
anyone know if you can find one of the lile prototypes, as seen in this months blade mag? i like the non hollow handle one much better. just curious if its a 1 of a kind for stallone or if Lile made a run of them. thanks.
 
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