First few Case knives...not impressed. Is it just me?

What i have read in this thread is not "Case bashing". It is members politely describing the condition of their Case knife as it arrived new. In fact i see what looks like an attempt to stick with the facts and not generalize.
Reporting in a factual way is not "bashing". And isn't truthfully reporting our experience with various knives not part of the reason for this forum's existence ?
kj
 
What i have read in this thread is not "Case bashing". It is members politely describing the condition of their Case knife as it arrived new. In fact i see what looks like an attempt to stick with the facts and not generalize.
Reporting in a factual way is not "bashing". And isn't truthfully reporting our experience with various knives not part of the reason for this forum's existence ?
kj

No argument that some of the feedback is based on real experience, and most members here can be honest about their experiences without jumping to broadly-biased conclusions about a brand as a whole (be it any brand, Case or not). But hang around a while, and you'll see the bashers come out; some of that actually is posted in this thread, of which this is only one thread of dozens or more here, over years. It's a well-beaten horse around here.


David
 
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Case is kind of like General Motors (or maybe like the General Motors of times past). You can find much nicer cars, you can find less expensive cars. They used to make about 6 body styles and changed the bumpers and headlights and sold them under Pontiac, Buick, Chevrolet, Oldsmobile brand names but it was the same car underneath, just depends on what little details you liked. Kind of like Case with the same patterns of knives, just variations in steel, handle materials, and finish.

Back in the early 90s I had a buddy who was a big GM fan. He explained to me that GM cars had little rattles and squeaks, fit and finish issues, always some little minor thing going on with them. But he was a car guy and could fix up those little things and didn't mind them. He referred to it as "GM-itis" - little nitpicky stuff but nothing major and still good cars.

I have another friend who wouldn't have anything else than a BMW. He is also a car guy but a different kind. He appreciates all of the performance, precision engineering and specs but isn't a tinkerer like my other buddy. It had nothing to do with income levels, both are pretty well off, they just liked different things about cars.

So I figure Case knives are kind of like GM cars of the 90s. Made in the US so to hit their target cost and stay profitable, they probably have to cut some corners and aren't as nicely finished or reliable as they might once have been (like GM did back in those days, which is why Toyota and Nissan were able to gain so much market share).

Just like my buddy who loved his GM cars and kept his working with minor effort, I tend to like Case knives and just don't notice or don't really care about all the minor (to me) flaws that would annoy the stew out of someone else. And like many people prefer Nissan or Toyota or Honda, and some won't drive anything less than a Mercedes or BMW, (I am a Nissan man myself), some still like and choose GM. Just like I still like the quirky, not perfect, still attractive to me Case knives. I'm carrying two of them today, in fact.

While I like the idea of keeping people employed in my home country, I won't buy something of poor quality just because it is made in the USA. It's a tough world, you still have to compete on value.

If I were giving advice to a new COLLECTOR, then I would say by all means, GEC is the only game in town right now. Beautiful work, always innovating, every production run a limited edition, and actually going up in price in the resale market. Other options are Canal Street, great quality but limited number of patterns and handle materials, and Queen if they can continue to get their game on.

I sort of danced around it in my first response to the OP, but as soon as I read the post I thought to myself "Yeah, you're not a Case guy and you're not going to be happy with them. Find a brand you like and move on."

Meanwhile, I am waiting on my 3rd Queen and another Vic Alox to show up. ;) Hey, I said I like Case, I'm not married to them.
 
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This!

Case knives with better fit and finish at 440C would be great for me. Unfortunately, all the specials sold through the big warehouse knife store and the cutler of the hills store, are probably their bread and butter.

I have a fair number of friends who carry and use pocket knives, but are not knife knuts. Most of them prefer Buck or Case 420HC alloy compared to 440C or a modern alloy, because they find the 420HC so much easier to sharpen. Most of them prefer stainless to non-stainless.

I say that to remind that we are knife knuts and consequently our desires are uncommon outside our corner of the world.

As far as Case Steel, IMO both the CV and Surgical Stainless are fine choices that act very similar in most respects except the obvious patina. If all knives could only be made of Case Steel, I wouldn't be all that upset. They work fine for those roles.

Most of my friends would agree with this sentiment.
 
They have their own forum, within Case's own home domain. I doubt they'd want to devote their own mods' time in running another forum off-site. With all the Case-bashing that seems to take place here, I wouldn't fault them in not wanting to deal with it.


David


yea, I guess your right.
 
It's the way in todays world. Anything mass produced you lay your money down and take your chances.
Doesn't matter if it is a pocket knife, automobile or a washing machine.
I can state from personal experience that I have been disappointed in a few of my purchases from Case.
I can also in all fairness say I have had issues with some GEC and other brands as well.
It is what it is,those looking for perfection will always be disappointed.
 
Wow...I never thought this thread would go 6 pages!

Determined to find out if I'm too picky or if I just got the lemons of the bunch, I've stopped by every Case display I know of this past week. This is by no means empirical data, but it *seems* that the stores that have older stock (you know the ones...dusty knives, some with patinas already forming), consistently have better f&f. The stores that move a lot of knives and have new stock every week *seem* to have more shoddily made ones (all minor f&f issues). Some were gorgeously perfect and some should have been culled at the factory. One Peanut had a nail nick so shallow it was almost unusable. Rough numbers, I would say 75-80% of the new stock had zero issues. The rest had blade play, poor fit, badly dyed scales or some other "defect" that was easy to spot in casual observation. I do have a Six Sigma background and to me this is shocking that any product manufacturer would let this stand. My guess is their QC/QA guy doesn't know the difference between throughput and rolled throughput. Or perhaps the rush to meet the seasonal orders causes the reins to be loosened a little too much? Or, maybe they just make better margins by pursuing the collector crowd that loves all things Case, regardless of f&f as long as it comes in a different color this year...

For a control group in my little survey, I looked at a few of the chinese knives each time too. Surprisingly, they are darn good. Some are horrid, but for the most part, I was impressed. The Schrades I saw had impeccable fit, but the springs were on the weaker side.

On a side note, the little USA made Buck slip joints seem to be consistent. They are not attractive like the Case/import knives, but seem to be made very well- more of a tool than a work of art.

I'll probably buy more Case knives in the future, but only if I can handle them first. I have the sort of luck that usually means I get the one (or two) bad apple...
 
For a control group in my little survey, I looked at a few of the chinese knives each time too. Surprisingly, they are darn good. Some are horrid, but for the most part, I was impressed. The Schrades I saw had impeccable fit, but the springs were on the weaker side.

This is all hearsay from other threads:

Somebody mentioned that they had an American made Buck that had several issues. They spoke to a Buck rep. about how the Chinese made Bucks seemed more consistent. The rep. told this person that the cost of making knives in China was so low that they were able to have very strict quality control standards, whereas the American factory had to let minor issues slide in order to keep their costs low enough to hit the price points they were aiming for.

My guess would be that if you looked at the statistics the number of knives weeded out by QC in the Chinese factories across the cutlery industry vs. the American factories you would find that the Chinese factories had a lot more knives identified as defects. This kind of fits with what we've been talking about with Case. In order to stay viable at the prices they sell knives for they have to let minor issues slip through. The alternative is that they up their standards and we all get awesome knives for a while until the company goes out of business, or they up their price to the point where they are competing against the CSCs and GECs of the world. Either way we lose an option for mid-grade knives.
 
Cory, I believe your post hits it right on the head. Instead of weeding out all the bad ones at the factory and suffering major costs, with Case's end user primarily non-user collectors, only 1 or 2 out of 10 bad ones ever get returned for problems so they come out way ahead. Unfortunately for us knifenuts, it only takes 1 or 2 defective knives to turn us off a brand. I think that is the shame of the whole deal. Case makes a lot of good knives, and the better ones are terrific for the money. We just need to keep proper perspective of what it actually costs to produce consistent quality while paying American living wages to their workers.
 
Cory, I believe your post hits it right on the head. Instead of weeding out all the bad ones at the factory and suffering major costs, with Case's end user primarily non-user collectors, only 1 or 2 out of 10 bad ones ever get returned for problems so they come out way ahead. Unfortunately for us knifenuts, it only takes 1 or 2 defective knives to turn us off a brand. I think that is the shame of the whole deal. Case makes a lot of good knives, and the better ones are terrific for the money. We just need to keep proper perspective of what it actually costs to produce consistent quality while paying American living wages to their workers.

I agree , I'm new to Case , as I was a long time Buck user . I've bought 10 Case knives this year , with only 2 that I'm returning . One a Medium Stockman whose clip blades spring is so light it's virtually nonexistent , the other was a 2014 tony Bose colab , that for the money never should have left the factory due to grinding upon opening and closing . But all the others are great knives especially for the money . Do I wish the Dark red Mini Copperlock in CV didn't look like a strawberry , yes , but for the quality of the knives and blades outweighs the color .
 
It arrived today, faster than I thought just a week from the US :thumbup::thumbup: This is a very tight knife, no play, no gaps, pins nicely finished, strong pull, decent snap,and a true centre blade. It cost more than usual CASEs due to the Dam. no complaints at all about fit or finish. The edge had a nasty looking burr but a few swipes on the rods settled that and it's really sharp. The bevel is very good so getting the edge is simple (GEC is not always stellar with this..) A really nice Gent's pocket-knife, I admire multi blade knives but in reality nearly always carry a single, so this suits me:D

Thanks, Will

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That one looks nice, Will.

I love mine so much I bought a Saddlehorn too; the Damascus looks like its morphing into a weird face pattern on this one. Not as burned as my SB. Clip blade close to front liner but no rub, sweet swedges on both.





 
That one looks nice, Will.

I love mine so much I bought a Saddlehorn too; the Damascus looks like its morphing into a weird face pattern on this one. Not as burned as my SB. Clip blade close to front liner but no rub, sweet swedges on both.





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Nice-looking knife!
 
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