First handgun advice

All of the guns you mentioned are terrible choices for your first/only pistol. The only even acceptable choice would be the 26 with a pinkie extension.

I would look at a Glock 17/19 or a full size Springfield XD/XDM. You really need to get a full size gun and get experienced with it before you get a small carry gun... ...that's my opinion anyway. You should be able to find a used 17, 19 or XD for around $400.
 
Youtube = not a great place to learn gun safety.

Just remember the 4 rules of gun safety:

1. Treat every gun as if it were loaded.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
3. Don't cover (point at) anything with your muzzle that you're not willing to destroy/pay for.
4. Be sure of your target and what's beyond it.

Pretty self explanatory if all else fails see rule #1

Once you get familiar with the operation of the gun then go to the range a few times.

I see you're in Texas, see if you have a USPSA club nearby. Go and watch a match or two and see if it's something you may be interested in. http://www.uspsa.org/ Shooting a few matches is a great way to learn how to shoot, there's always someone willing to help you out... ....these guys won't tolerate unsafe gun handling so be warned.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
 
Find a range that rents. Most ranges these days will not rent to a single shooter unless he owns a gun already. If you bring a pal, they may rent to you.

I recommend learning to shoot with a .22 first. It's easy, it's cheap. Rent a .22 revolver. Then move up.

If you're not going to learn how to shoot properly, just buy a 12ga pump shotgun.

Actually, that would be your best move. ;)
 
+100 what ElConqustidor said.

You OWN every bullet you will ever fire and whatever it does. Firearms safety is a learned skill...responsible firearms use doesn't start by buying your first gun.

No sermon here but you cannot call a bullet back..ever. Probably a knowledgeable friend, relative or local club that could be helpful in getting you started and the four(4) rules ElConquistador shared are not optional.. or suggestions.

Be safe and have fun..possible to do both.
 
personnaly I dont like glocks only because their triggers. Not as smooth as a lot of others like a HK usp or pretty much any other gun. That is not to say I wouldn't buy one, I just have not bought one yet. CZs are over rated I think, I dont understand why everyone thinks their so awesome, they really arn't better then any other gun and there are a lot of things they are not good in. As for a .22, I'd highly recommend one if you havn't spent your life shooting bb guns/airsoft/paintball to get yourself use to shooting. Pratice does make perfect and going to the range and shooting 1000 rounds instead of 50-100 really does make a difference! Plus its a shit load more fun.

For a .22 cal, I'd recommend a Walther P22. Feels like a big gun and works the same way (slide wise). not as accurate but more fun to shoot then the others.

For home security, adding a 12g shotgun is always a good idea.
 
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If you're not going to learn how to shoot properly, just buy a 12ga pump shotgun.

;)



that's not true. You still gotta aim a shotgun. its not gonna magically fill a hallway with bullets. espeically when your shooting slugs which are accurate out to 100 yards easy!
 
I've owned several hundred handguns over the years and I do a lot of shooting. I just bought a Kahr P380 and I like it. Of the micro compacts I would get them in this order. 1)Rohrbaugh (9mm), Kahr P380, and then the Keltec P3AT. I would not get the LCP because it is pretty much an exact copy of the Keltec, but $70 more. If this is going to be your first handgun, I really don't recommend one of the Micro Compacts. Learning to shoot with one of these would be like learning to drive using a funny car (not because of high performance, but because of specialty). Learn to shoot with a full size .22 pistol. They are cheap, easy to shoot and accurate. It will help you get the fundamentals, then once you have the fundamentals you can try shooting the micro compacts.

To answer the question about whether a .380 is enough for personal defense, I will say that caliber is by far secondary to shot placement. I would much rather have a 22 pistol that I can shoot very accurately as apposed to a .50 caliber that I can't shoot well.

I hope this helped. If you have specific questions about a specific gun, feel free to IM me. I have owned or shot most of them.
 
Find an NRA instructor that teaches the Basic Pistol class. They will have lots of guns in the class. You will learn what fits your hand and not just what looks cool or what
someone else recommends. The instructor will be able to show you all the workings of each.... pros and cons.... advice is what you pay for it. Nothing beats experience.

I teach courses in Ohio. My buddy sent his wife to our class and bought her a .380. He forgets she is left handed and the safety and all the levers are on the wrong side for
her. We put her in a Glock, M&P, revolvers, and more until she found what she liked.

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Please forgive me for not responding to everyone, and for responding to quotes out of order.

3)Always know what is behind your target.
4) Handle every gun as if it were loaded, and be sure by checking the chamber whether it is or isn't.
Just remember the 4 rules of gun safety:

1. Treat every gun as if it were loaded.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
3. Don't cover (point at) anything with your muzzle that you're not willing to destroy/pay for.
4. Be sure of your target and what's beyond it.

Pretty self explanatory if all else fails see rule #1
Cheers for this. I do believe in practicing safety. Sometimes one mistake is all it takes to bring upon something that cannot be undone, and I would rather much avoid this.


Beyond that, you really need to get to the range and try a few different firearms to see which suits you better.
Since you have no experience I would recommend looking around for a local firearms safety and training class. Besides the obvious safety training you receive you will be taught how to shoot and hopefully allowed to shoot various calibers and firearms, which may help you in your choice of firearm.
Go and learn to shoot properly first. Seriously. Then decide what is best for you in terms of practicality, preference, size, caliber, price. That will narrow down your options to the point that the choice will be obvious.
Oh, and take lessons at a place you can rent guns, where in the class you get to shoot all of the other guns from the other students. That helps get your feet wet with different platforms.
Find an NRA instructor that teaches the Basic Pistol class. They will have lots of guns in the class. You will learn what fits your hand and not just what looks cool or what someone else recommends. The instructor will be able to show you all the workings of each.... pros and cons.... advice is what you pay for it. Nothing beats experience.
After reading these suggestions, I do feel this would be the best thing to do at this moment in time. This is not something I want to rush through. When I was in the gunshop a while back, it was in my mind that I could start the process in purchasing my first firearm..but then I thought why? I've no experience and didn't want to make the mistake of purchasing something I wouldn't like.

A training class sounds just like what I need. I can go into to the class at least with the key safety points mentioned here in the thread, as well as a first hand learning experience. I'll see if I can find some listings (found one earlier today) and make some calls tomorrow to inquire about these classes.


Do you know anyone who shoots and has some guns they can shoot with/teach you about? I mean, you are in Texas, right? There may also be a local internet shooter's forum you could check out for resources.
Texas...doesn't everyone there own guns?!

Ask your neighbor. :D
The only person in my family that owns a gun is my cousin that said he'd take me shooting sometime later. Before he passed, my grandfather was the only other person that I knew of in my family with a small collection. His was of revolvers and rifles. He was a big John Wayne fan. As far as I could remember he never went shooting with his firearms, he always had them displayed.

I tried talking to a Texas Highway Patrol Trooper who I know for some advice. He told me to go to a local gunshop and ask them and they'd help me out.


My standard suggestion for a first handgun is a .38 Special revolver with a 4" barrel. Completely adequate for target, plinking and self defense and you'd be hard pressed to find a safer, simpler platform on which to learn and practice the fundmentals of fireams handling and use.
Revolvers are slow to reload and hard to shoot accurately in DA for inexperienced shooters. I would not suggest one to a new shooter that may only want one handgun that needs to do everything. While a defensive shooting scenario in the streets is usually 2 rounds and less than 5 seconds, home invasion scenarios are much different. An auto that is quick to load and holds 16 rounds of an proven caliber with night sights is (IMHO) a better idea than a 5 or 6 shot wheelgun. It takes a lot of practice to get over the trigger jerk when you're scared. A heavy DA trigger will only compound this problem for a new shooter.
While I cannot say I dislike revolvers or will not like the way they shoot (I've never fired one), I would prefer a semi-auto at the very least for reloading. Of course, there's only one way to truly know and I'll give it a chance if I'm able in the training class or at the range.


I suggest a Glock 19. It's small enough to conceal with a good holster, yet is still in the arena of a fullsized combat handgun.
All of the guns you mentioned are terrible choices for your first/only pistol. The only even acceptable choice would be the 26 with a pinkie extension.

I would look at a Glock 17/19 or a full size Springfield XD/XDM. You really need to get a full size gun and get experienced with it before you get a small carry gun... ...that's my opinion anyway. You should be able to find a used 17, 19 or XD for around $400.
There is a method to the madness (right or wrong that it may be) in looking at the subcompacts and .380 choices. To be honest I'm not that big of a guy. On a lucky day I might reach 5'5" and am medium build. I felt that a smaller arm would be better for concealment. But this is also something I believe I can try when I do go to training and hopefully range, or shooting with my cousin.


I do want to thank you all. :thumbup: I'm really surprised, and very appreciative, at all of the responses. There is so much to take in but I'm looking forward to learning.
 
Small guns have a longer learning curve. The only bonus is as you've said, that you can conceal them easier. Still, a smaller piece will tend to flip in your hand more if you don't have a *solid* grip on it. Unless you're wearing super fitted clothes or prance around in Under Armour, even some of the full size hand guns are easy to conceal, particularly single stack handguns like 1911s (guys, before you knock this, check out an IWB holster with the straps that are not centered over the top of the hand gun) and even some like the HK45, though the latter is somewhat double stack. Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 holsters come to mind. Yes, expensive, but you get what you pay for.

I strongly suggest something that's bigger than your itty bitty small framed firearms.

I realize an HK45 is out of your budget most likely, but you can definitely find a commander or government model 1911 from Rock Island Armory or Norinco on the cheap. The M&P series are quite slim as well for being double stacks.

EDIT: BTW, I'm not much taller than you. I'm 5 6.5. Also, I'm a lightweight in boxing terminology, but I can probably throw up (no not vomit as the guy below me jokingly put; I'm a strength coach. It's what I do) more weight than most of the people here, but that's going off topic.
 
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personnaly I dont like glocks only because their triggers. Not as smooth as a lot of others like a HK usp or pretty much any other gun. That is not to say I wouldn't buy one, I just have not bought one yet.

I used to say the same thing until I shot a Glock with a 3.5lb Ghost Rocket and spring kit that was properly adjusted. Right up to that point I had about 10 HK USPs in my safe in various sizes and calibers. Now I no longer have any. While the SA trigger on the USP breaks cleanly... it takes forever to reset and has a long pull to fire again. I LOVED HK for the longest time... and they're slick lookin weapons for sure. But IMHO they're triggers need help. They're not bad... they're just slow. With a properly adjusted overtravel stop on a Glock trigger... trigger reset is almost instant the second you let off of it. So even though that first shot has some travel... the rest are like pressing a button. I'm a 1911 guy for the most part... but Glock won me over as far as plastic guns go.
 



On a serious note tho, go check out some gun forums. calguns is probably pretty cool as a general handgun source.
P.S. You cant go wrong with a 1911. Best their is especially the high end if you have the cash. Les Baer, Ed Brown, Dan Wesson, Colt, Wilson Combat, Nighthawk and the like
 
He's prob not gonna jump on a .45 as his first gun. :P

I just wanted to put some ideas in his head that just because a gun is full size, does not mean that you can't conceal it.
 
Sounds like your getting a plan together. Taking some classes and renting a variety of firearms is probably the best route to take as it let's you get hands on experience with a variety of platforms. Something to consider though, especially when a person is just starting out, safety, sight alignment, safety, trigger control, shot placement, did I mention safety are all basic fundamentals that cannot be bypassed.

Reloading, whether 5-6 or 16 rounds comes secondary to the basics. Large capacity magazines will never take the place of sound techinque. Learn to hit what you're aiming at then work on reloading.

The fact is, the majority of gunowners will never use a firearm of any type in self defense. Of those that do the majority will not fire 10, 15, 30 rounds. Not to say that you shouldn't consider a large capacity handgun at some point and I'm definelty not advocating that you don't practice reloading as dutifully as every other aspect of handgun use, just that sometime folks tend to put the cart before the horse.

I believe that with some time and effort you'll find the type of firearm that bests suits your needs and level of proficiency. The key, IMHO is to make sure it's one that works for you and not one that should work because everyone else likes it. When you find the one that "fits" you I think you'll know it right away. Your first handgun doesn't have to be your last. In fact it could be just the first in a long line of many, each with it's own merits and value.

Always keep safety first and foremost in your mind and make the shopping and learning experience as enjoyable as possible. Don't beat yourself up over shooting poorly at first or even later for that matter. Not everyone shoots well all the time. The key is to know the difference between having a bad day and doing something wrong. Think consistency. Take your time and you'll be amazed at how far you can come in a relatively short time with good instruction, adherence to sound technique and practice. Please let us know how things turn out.
 
I have a Pal in El Paso that sells for about $30 over cost and gives the CHL class cheap.He's a licensed dealer and will be happy to get you started,just send me a P.M. for info.
 
If you want to practice just take Anthony Gap and look for a dirt road at the mile maker 3 on the South side of the road.Not too far up the road is a huge hill side you can shoot there free.Futher up that same road in the middle of nowhere is big range,that's the El Paso Gun Club and the membership is very reasonable.If you decide to join they will give you a key to the gate.
 
I'd suggest getting some training and trying as many guns as possible. Once you have the basics down, then buy a gun.

I'd suggest buying the biggest gun that you will realistically carry everyday without exception. This will vary from person to person. Some think a small pocket .380 is too big, while others carry a full size 1911.

I personally prefer a full size gun because I shoot them considerably better.

My EDC pistol is a S&W M&P 9mm 5" Pro. I highly recommend them if you don't mind the size and weight.
 
My EDC pistol is a S&W M&P 9mm 5" Pro. I highly recommend them if you don't mind the size and weight.
Those things are so light weight. My bro shoots one. They are super slim too I find. Then again, I'm used to shooting full size all steel handguns, so maybe my thoughts are a bit skewed. Going from an all steel to a polymer is like night and day. I think an M&P9 Pro would be easy enough to conceal IWB.
 
Got myself signed up for a safety course. Surprisingly, this one is at no charge. This class is normally offered on the first Saturday of the month. I called to inquire about possible openings for October's class and was told they would be having another class next weekend. :thumbup:

I have a Pal in El Paso that sells for about $30 over cost and gives the CHL class cheap.He's a licensed dealer and will be happy to get you started,just send me a P.M. for info.
If you want to practice just take Anthony Gap and look for a dirt road at the mile maker 3 on the South side of the road.Not too far up the road is a huge hill side you can shoot there free.Futher up that same road in the middle of nowhere is big range,that's the El Paso Gun Club and the membership is very reasonable.If you decide to join they will give you a key to the gate.
Thanks for the information! This brings to mind another question I have. Once I do decide on a handgun and go to the range (before I've obtained a CHL), what is the legal transport method? I'm thinking locked in it's case, in a carry bag, in the back seat of my car. The reason why I ask is I've heard that it is considered to be concealed carry if it is within reach (if it was in the front passenger seat).
 
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