First knife. First mistakes.

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Hi there,
Long ago I found out GreenPete's knife making videos and I got an itch... Sinc then I have been reading as much as I could, lurking here and asking a lot of things (here and in ArmasBlancas spanish cutlery forum).

It took a lot of research and phone calls to get the steel, fire bricks, scrap metal, pipe, etc. I live in a city and finding this things sometimes gets interesting.

I will try to write down this thread like a tutorial so if anyone else feels like making his own knife he won't make the same mistakes I made.

ANNEALING THE STEEL
I bought four pieces of 250 x 63 x 5mm steel from leaf springs. The guy I bought them from straightened them for me (more or less) but warned me that they were already heat treated. I had to anneal it.

I built a multiple-duty steel workbench out of sheet metal, square tube and angles (it is like 100kg). I had never before welded anything together so don't come to hard on me... I know the welding is pretty crappy.

I also got like 65 fire bricks and stacked them to make a forge. I also drilled a like of 4mm holes in a piece of steel pipe and conected it to a hair dryer (yep... my mom found out... I am in big trouble!). That should do the trick.

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PICTURES 1, 2 and 3: The forge cranking.

That's a spear from a spear gun I had handy 8I have a lot of them because as soon as it bends, then it doesn't shot true any more). I didn't have a center punch so I sharpened it, heated it to red hot and then quenched it in water. Then I cut it off with the angle grinder and there we go! Brand new center punch for $0. As you can see the fire bricks insulate quite a lot.

I dumped like 4kg of charcoal in there, ligthed it with some tablets and switched on the hairdryer. Buried the pieces of steel in there and keep the air going for 30 minutes. Then I put some more fire bricks on the only opening of the forge, switch the hairdryer off and went to bed.

12 hours later I still couldn't touch the bricks without gloves. I had coals still red hot inside. I opened it a little bit and waited for it to cool off by itself.



MAKING HANDLE MATERIAL
While I was waiting for the steel to cool off I made another slab of micarta. I have a lot denim left so once again it was going to be blue denim canvas micarta.

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PICTURE 4: Cutting denim strips.

I found out that 14 strips from regular jeans are plenty thick for my purposes. The cleaner the edges, the less you will have to trim after unmolding the slab. My F1 gives me much neater edges than any scissors at home.

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PICTURE 5: Get everything set before you mix the resin with the hardener.

Disposable gloves are a must. Protect your workplace, otherwise you will get nasty resin stains everywhere. When you clamp down the slab, resin starts dripping everywhere. Newspaper is cheap, use it at will.

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PICTURE 6: Claps and plastic-paper wrapped wood planks.

As long as they are rigid enough you will be fine. The more clamps you use, the better and the more even presure you will exert on the slab.

You already know how to make micarta but just in case I will tell you once again. Cut as many strips as you want from the desired material. From previous experiences I know that no matter what you do, you will always run out off hardener... so I always throw away a little bit of resin to make sure it hardens propertly. Mix the resin and get at it. I use a disposable brush for that instead of just my fingers. Resin, canvas, resin, canvas and so forth. When you are done you can press down with your gloverd fingers on the slab so you drain the exces resin before clamping. When it is all wet it is slippery so trying to clamp it whithout drainning it first can ruin your work. I can do a 14-16 layer micarta slab in less than 10 minutes (from the mixing of the resin to the clamping of the slab). The pot life of this resin is supposed to be 30 minutes, but better safe than sorry.

If you don't need the micarta right away, let it clamped overnight and then fully cure in open air for two days or so. If you are in a hurry you can unmold it and work on it 12 hours later.



SHAPING THE BLADE
I don't have any pictures of the angle grinder work to shape the blade but you can figure it out yourself. Just draw your blade on the leaf spring and chew on it witn the angle grinder and files. If you have a band saw you will probably do it faster.

Once you have that done it is time to cut the bevels. Following some forumites advice I stuck to a scandi grind.

To do so I built a rig for the blade and the file ala GreenPete.

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PICTURES 7, 8 AND 9: The rig and the intended use.

As you can see the picture of the blade there does not correspond to my first knife. I didn't take any pictures of it while doing it so I am using the pictures from another blade (I am working on it right now, full flat bevels already cut... sweet! :D)

The main idea here is to keep an even angle. It is going to get screwed up in the tip but try to minimize it keeping the file square to the blade. You can rough them out with the angle grinder and then use the file... otherwise it is going to take hours. Firs do it with a rough file and then get rid of as many scratches as possible with the fine one. That will make your life easier when you attemp to polish it with sandpaper.

Once you are happy with the bevel on one side... don't take the rig out of the bench vice! Just loosen the screws that attach the blade to the rig and drive it in from the other side. That way you will have both bevels with the very same angle.

Some tutorials say that you should leave the edge like 1mm thick or so to prevent it from burning when doing the heat treat but I guess that's just for anything but scandis. If you do that in a scandi grind knife you will have to spend endless hours trying to wear down the bevels to make a sharp edge.

Keep reading....
 
Once the bevels were cut and I was happy with them... it was time to get rid of that nasty black scale that covered the whole blade. I started to get at it with 220 (yeah... call me stupid...) and didn't see any progress.

Few hours later I found out about draw filing! Oh boy! I got rid of that nasty crust in no time. Now I had to deal with deep file scratches but at least this started looking like a knife.

I sanded it by hand up to 400 grit but didn't touch the bevels at all. I am planning to give it a good sharpening session once I get my 10" DMT (coarse/fine).

This is what I got before heat treating it

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PICTURES 10 AND 11: The blade and a piece of leaf spring equal to the one I made it out of.


HEAT TREAT

I got a galon of used motor oil and a suitable tin can. I got everthing set and brought it to red hot.

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PICTURE 12: Everything set for heat treating the blade.

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PICTURE 13: Blade red hot (can't tell by the picture, just trust me). I also checked for non magnetic with a magnet.

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PICTURE 14: Giving it some more heat (this is 5160 and I read somewhere that you have to heat this steel a little above non magnetic for the best heat treat).

I read in a few sites that you are supposed to quench only one third of the blade (the edge) untill the flames from the oil are gone and then fully submerge it untill the smoke is gone. Once you are done take it off and let it cool in open air.

The problem is that I read that AFTER doing my heat treat. I just got it red hot and fully submerged it in the nasty engine oil for a while (10 minutes or so). Then I cleaned up with a scotch brite pad and some detergent.

This is what I got

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PICTURE 15: Hardened blade.

The first thing I did after heat treating it was checking for hardness. I tried to file it and I couldn't. The file just skipped on the blade ... on the whole blade to be fair. It was hard, that's a fact. I sanded it again to 500 grit and got it ready for tempering.

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PICTURE 16: Blade all cleaned up ready for tempering.

TEMPERING THE BLADE
I don't have a propane torch so I couldn't do it ala GreenPete. The kitchen oven at home in Noja doesn't work. Even if it did work, I wouldn't have any clue about the temps so I couldn't do a fully tempering proccess (250ºC for two hours, let it cool, repeat cicle another time).

I also read somwhere that you could temper the spine of a knife touching it for a while with something that was red hot. The only substantial metal slab I had there was a piece of a railroad so I did it like this.

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PICTURE 17: The setup.

I didn't want the edge to get too hot and I didn't have any clay. I live like 50m away from the beach so I just went there, got some sand and dunk the blade in it. I also wetted it to make sure it cooled my blade propetly.

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PICTURE 18: The procces.

I kept moving the piece of rail road to make sure I heated the full length of the spine. After doing so I let it cool off by itself. Once it was cold to the touch I tried to file the spine and... I scratched it good (next time I will be more gentle...)

Keep reading...
 
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DRILLING AND GLUEING THE HANDLE
Now that the blade was fully heat treated (my way... it can be done way better) it was time to finish it and glue on the handle slabs.

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PICTURES 19 AND 20: Finishing the blade up to 500 grit (satin finish)

I didn't have much time so I didn't even rough out the shape of the handle. I just cut two pieces and drilled them using the blade as a template. I shaped and finished the front of the handle slabs.

I was using 6mm pins and drilled the blade with a 6mm drill (countersink with 8mm drill bit) bit but I drilled the micarta slabs with a 6,1mm drill bit. That should give me enough clearance to allow some epoxi to get between the micarta and the pin for a stronger bond. That will also eliminate any strain on the handle slabs preventing cracking. If anyone is going to use 1/4" drill bits, try to get a 6,4mm euro drill bit for your handles.

I used Araldit Standar. This is a 72h epoxi with a 60 minutes pot life. Enough for what I need. This is pretty much what every knife maker uses here in Spain.

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PICTURE 21: Glued handles waiting to cure.

My blade was not perfectly flat (leaf springs are not precision flat ground stock by any means) so I didn't clamp it too tight allowing the epoxi to fill in the small (less than 0,5mm) gap.

I used the chisel shaped wooden stick with the acetone wetted paper cuts to clean up the excess epoxy on the blade in front of the handle. It didn't work out as expected and when I went back at it for finishing it off there was a thin layer of epoxy there. Just scracthed it with my nail and got rid of it but in the procces I scratched the blade.


FINISHING THE HANDLE
I used the angle grinder again with the sanding disck attachment (work 80 grit). This chews on the micarta like there was no tomorrow. It also chews like crazy on anything else so be carefull. I did it ouside because it get's pretty messy. Googles and dust mask are a must. Taping the blade is a good idea unless you want to scratch it good.

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PICTURE 22: Tools of the trade and rough shaped handle.

I used the handle of my BRKT Aurora as a template for the contouring. As you can see, while trying to get as much blade as possible I also ended up with a pretty small handle. It fits me well but it is definitely shorter than the Aurora's.

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PICTURE 23 AND 24: Close ups of the handle after rough shaping it with the angle grinder.

After rough shaping it I took my time with sandpaper. I like the feeling of the 100grit... it is pretty grippy but I bet it gets dirty fast so I took it to 500 grit.

Here you have a fe more pictures of the finished handle.

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PICTURE 25, 26, 27 AND 29: Pictures of the finished handle.

I don't have any pictures of the overall knife because I am waiting for my DMT to sharpen and polish the bevels. As soon as I do it, I will keep you posted.

Thanks for watching!
Mikel
 
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That looks awesome! I love the micarta and from what I can see it looks really good, cant wait to see the finished product!
 
You need some instruction in heat treating otherwise your knife might look like the Guggenheim Museum !!! It's better to quench the entire blade .Edge quenching is messy smoke and flames , fire hazard. Quench tak should be metal not plastic and have cover to keep out dirt and in case of fire.Hardening temperature should be about 25 C above the non-magnetic point [780 C]. Tempering should be 200-250 C. You can get that from a typical kitchen stove. Something hot against the spine won't do it ! You need time at that temperature ,1-2 hours. Tempering with a torch along the spine is possible but not good as a kitchen stove is much better.
When you harden you will get scale and some decarburized steel .You leave extra so you can remove this when grinding ,about 1 mm.That happens regardless of type of blade.
The Guggenheim Museum is of interest to me but not some of the things exhibited there . When it opened one of the exhibits was a giant swiss army knife , can you post a photo of that ?? Bilbao seems to be an interesting place and with some of the best restaurants in Europe !
 
Thanks for the advice Mete, it will come handy for my next blades. I just have to find a kitchen oven termometer to check for temp. I plan to do two cicles of two hours each at 250ºC cooling to room temp between them. Is it worth it to let it sit in the freezer for a while between tempering cicles?

I am going to see if I can find that picture you tell me about with the swis army knife in the Guggenheim... this is the first time I hear about it! I work like 10 minutes from there so I may even get there and ask them. Thanks for the compliment about Bilbao, you guys are wellcome anytime!

Martin S. said:
Using a coal forge inside?

Yes, it is inside but... I am 1 yard apart from the street. You can see the glass doors in the first picture (one cracked). I open the top of those doors, more windows in the other side of the "garage" (not exactly but you get the idea, it is at street level) and the door. Fresh air is not a problem but thanks for the warning anyway! I keep my safety in the top of my worries. Water buckets handy, hose as well, non flamable working clothes, different gloves, dust mask, googles and steel toed boots are a must. I want to get a big fire extinguiser as well, just in case.

Mikel
 
Don't bother with the freezer between tempers.Cryo [ cryogenically treating ] blades is a different thing and used on more complex steels .
 
Don't bother with the freezer between tempers.Cryo [ cryogenically treating ] blades is a different thing and used on more complex steels .

I will try to get a oven termometer next week (I plan to finish the blades and harden them this weekend) so I can temper them. Thanks for all the tips, they sure come handy!
Mikel

PD: I mean the new blades I am working on...
 
did you have to form the micarta in a certain way to get that pattern? the handles look amazing.

Tempering with a torch along the spine is possible but not good as a kitchen stove is much better.
how do you do it with a stove?
 
Mikel, that is fantastic. You make it look too easy! And you talk about it as if you weren't working your heart out, which we all know better. ;) One of the best things about the knifemaking community (I think) is the openness and cooperation among makers. It's a wonderful thing and helps the craft grow much more than secretiveness would.

I would also add, one of the greatest benefits of your excellent post is showing newer makers that you don't need all the "newest and best" industrial strength tooling to make a knife. All you really need is the desire; human ingenuity will find a way to make it happen. Your work is outstanding, and I appreciate the effort it took to document your process and present it here.

Kudos to you! Please keep up the good work, and thanks for sharing!
 
did you have to form the micarta in a certain way to get that pattern? the handles look amazing.

I really didn't form the micarta in any special way. I just cut the strips and laid them flat. The pattern comes out once you start sanding. If you don't countour the handle, it doesn't look as good. Oval shapes are ok but contouring the handles gives you a better looking pattern.

Thanks a lot for the comments guys. I have three knives waiting to be finished right now and I will post the pictures ASAP. I will probably finish them this very same week.

Mikel
 
I really didn't form the micarta in any special way. I just cut the strips and laid them flat. The pattern comes out once you start sanding. If you don't countour the handle, it doesn't look as good. Oval shapes are ok but contouring the handles gives you a better looking pattern.

Thanks a lot for the comments guys. I have three knives waiting to be finished right now and I will post the pictures ASAP. I will probably finish them this very same week.

Mikel

hmmm i wonder what weaves you can get if you laid the fabric at different angles.
 
hmmm i wonder what weaves you can get if you laid the fabric at different angles.

I don't think you will be getting any interesting patterns doing so. The fabric layers are so tigthly pressed that you can't really notice the direction of the threads.

I saw pictures of some pseudo-micarta done with some beans on it. It created pressure points while pressing it really brought out some interesting patterns. Let me say it was just INTERESTING. I didn't quite like it, but each to his own. This very same guy also did something that I really liked. He took the fresh slab of micarta (before the resin cured in any way) and twisted it a few times before pressing it. He used two fabrics with different colors and it resulted in a somewhat ladder pattern. I thought about doing this but not having a bandsaw to trim the uneven slab you get twisting the fabrics (not to mention the 12 ton press he used to clamp it...), I didn't gave it a try. It also looked somewhat messy.

I hope this helps,
Mikel
 
Is that forge indoors??? Yikes! What happens with the smoke?
 
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