First Knife (seeking advice)

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Okay I got the 1084 Steel being shipped to me, and I want to get the other supplies here as well so I have them when I need them. I was reading some stickies and posts trying to find good suppliers for the materials but unfortunately I came up empty for he most part, or was confused when I got to their sites not knowing what to look for.

So the things I'm looking for are:

Wood for sheaths/Handles
Kydex for sheaths
Leather for Sheathes

Just wondering about other materials for sheathes and handles too on the low end side of things. Like other plastics or wrappings.

Here is the design I Settled on for my first knife, Do you think I'll be able to do it?
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USA Knife maker should have everything you may need. How are you planing on doing the hidden tang? Will it have a guard?
 
Nice, looks a bit simpler than your other designs. Kinda tanto-esque. You'll probably have some time for figuring out what you want to use for handle, pin, and sheath material. Kydex is pretty cheap, but I personally felt it is harder to do right than many of the makers on here make it look. Finding the right foam seems to be somewhat important. I'm thinking about just getting a real press. The hand rivet setter I tried out mangled rivets beyond recognition as well. I finally caved and got an arbor press for that task. Leather was somewhat easier for me (at least, simple pouch sheaths), and doesn't require as much in the way of tooling, but it's still pretty difficult. I'd worry about the knife first, and take your time with it, then figure out what will complement your design the best, and take your time with the sheath as well. As for wood, if you have a local wood supply store, that may work pretty well for you (woodcraft, for instance). Or, you can buy scales and such at most of the knife supply stores.
 
I am definitely going to make a wooden Sheath and handle, from what I have read and watched in videos on sheath making out of wood it shouldn't be to hard to put it together mostly just practice a few time to make sure it doesn't rattle inside. Not sure what to use on the outside tho to seal it and such, Just any kind of clear-coat sealer work or should I get something special. still having a hard time finding distributors with good prices. If you could just throw some websites out their for the different materials it would be much appreciated.
 
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Mocaba I've purchased some wood from northcoast, nothing bad to report. Dymondwood is a laminate and resistant to moisture etc.. makes a good handle. I've still got a piece from there actually, gonna use it before long on a couple paring knives I'm making. G10 (understand the health risks), Micarta, and other laminate/synthetics are also good and tough.
 
MY dad has some masks I could wear is it just for when your sanding it that you need to be careful.
 
I'm Thinking of getting a bench grinder and a Dremel tool i think its called could you use that for the smaller grinds and groove work? Also recomendations on brands/model would be helpful. I never cared for the belt sanders to much = bulky machine don't got a lot of room.
 
I'm Thinking of getting a bench grinder and a Dremel tool i think its called could you use that for the smaller grinds and groove work? Also recomendations on brands/model would be helpful. I never cared for the belt sanders to much = bulky machine don't got a lot of room.

Those will be wasted cash for you at this point.

How many posts and tutorials have you read so far?
With the exception of some books over 30 years old, Is anyone using a hard wheel bench grinder?
No
Ask yourself why.



As for belt sanders being more bulky compared to a craftsman 2x42 = I don't think so.
 
I read Stacy's Tutorials Watched some videos on discovery channel How its made and some other videos dealing with Metal work. Watch some of Dragonfly Forge's videos, Really wanna go there to take a seminar but kinda costly between the travel and the cost of class for just a weekend. Ill probably go there this summer if I can save enough money. I have read several of the stickies and other material Probable be going to the library soon to get some of the recommended books. I understand you guys answer the questions many times and stuff and my questions might sound dumb, but we were all a noob at something at some point in time. I also understand this is a "Forum" and I think forums are meant to ask Questions and other people are able to answer them/ or State an opinion/ and someone can disagree. No where that I know of is a forum supposed to be a place to yell at someone for asking questions. I did not force you to click on the post, I also did not force you to reply, I do understand you might be annoyed at answering the same thing, but instead you could just (Copy and paste said post to answer the question if it is so easy to answer)

As for posting so many times on the forum, I am new to blade forums, so I was unaware you weren't supposed to post multiple forums, unlike other forums you post a new one any time you got a new Idea or opinion you want to share. The other reason I do this is so it is more organized then say having 400 things and opinions of said different things in one. Its much easier to sort threw. say I make these posts titled, need advice First Knife, need Advice one starting metal, need Advice on sheath material, need Advice on knife design; to me its easier to get the information and save where its at that way.

Also you got to look at it from my perspective as a new member of Blade forums, The site is new to me navigating around is slow and clumsy. Trust me I looked around, read some stickies did some research. I like to gather multiple opinions on things, isn't that how you should research? not just take one persons word for something.

So I am sorry if I upset some of the seniors, but I was just trying to learn =(
 
Those will be wasted cash for you at this point.

How many posts and tutorials have you read so far?
With the exception of some books over 30 years old, Is anyone using a hard wheel bench grinder?
No
Ask yourself why.



As for belt sanders being more bulky compared to a craftsman 2x42 = I don't think so.

I use a bench grinder myself to aid in profiling the knife since I dont have a higher end grinder yet but that is it.
As for a dremel mocaba, it can help with certain small things but certainly not worth buying when there are many other choices for better tools to pick up right now. I dont have a dremel but have used my friends a few times, the motors burn out if your not careful. I suggest reading up some more taking these guys suggestions and youll be there in no time!

If you dont want to use a belt grinder then use files and a file guide. I would not suggest using a bench grinder to grind your actual bevels.
 
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I read Stacy's Tutorials Watched some videos on discovery channel How its made and some other videos dealing with Metal work. Watch some of Dragonfly Forge's videos, Really wanna go there to take a seminar but kinda costly between the travel and the cost of class for just a weekend. Ill probably go there this summer if I can save enough money. I have read several of the stickies and other material Probable be going to the library soon to get some of the recommended books. I understand you guys answer the questions many times and stuff and my questions might sound dumb, but we were all a noob at something at some point in time. I also understand this is a "Forum" and I think forums are meant to ask Questions and other people are able to answer them/ or State an opinion/ and someone can disagree. No where that I know of is a forum supposed to be a place to yell at someone for asking questions. I did not force you to click on the post, I also did not force you to reply, I do understand you might be annoyed at answering the same thing, but instead you could just (Copy and paste said post to answer the question if it is so easy to answer)

As for posting so many times on the forum, I am new to blade forums, so I was unaware you weren't supposed to post multiple forums, unlike other forums you post a new one any time you got a new Idea or opinion you want to share. The other reason I do this is so it is more organized then say having 400 things and opinions of said different things in one. Its much easier to sort threw. say I make these posts titled, need advice First Knife, need Advice one starting metal, need Advice on sheath material, need Advice on knife design; to me its easier to get the information and save where its at that way.

Also you got to look at it from my perspective as a new member of Blade forums, The site is new to me navigating around is slow and clumsy. Trust me I looked around, read some stickies did some research. I like to gather multiple opinions on things, isn't that how you should research? not just take one persons word for something.

So I am sorry if I upset some of the seniors, but I was just trying to learn =(

It's great that you have enthusiasm
No one's yelling at you yet.


I did cut and paste this already
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-lowes-and-homedepot)?p=11391666#post11391666

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...l-to-use-for-my-knife?p=11324116#post11324116



If I didn't care I wouldn't bother.

If you don't already have a bench grinder or dremel, sure buy them, but not if it keeps you from getting a belt grinder
The $ of both together would buy you a Craftsman 2x42

I wasted $ and time at first and wished I had someone post the info in that Standard Reply.




As far as Kydex vs Leather, I say Kydex


On the drawing above.
Look at other nice knives
It's very square, try some curves

Especially where the tang is reduced for the handle, make those shoulders with curved corners, not sharp 90 degrees, or they will break there.

Look at your "top line" where the spine meets the handle.
You want the handle to be flush with the spine, not larger
 
You will regret getting a bench grinder over a belt grinder. Just saying. And the respirator is for anything that creates dust. You don't want to be breathing metal dust, or resin dust, or any other kind of dust.

Give some thought to why pretty much every professional knifemaker has a belt grinder. I realize that you're going to do what you're going to do, but if I can help you avoid some of the mistakes that I made when I started out (relatively recently), I figure that will be a good thing.

If you want to waste money, do it your way. You'll quickly realize why you're getting the recommendations that you are. I mean, we don't say "get a belt grinder" just for the heck of it. Even the folks like tryppyr who do a fantastic job with a set of files, end up getting a belt grinder eventually. I use my bench grinder, but it's not that useful in comparison to my belt grinder (and the belt grinder takes up the same amount of bench space, just requires more vertical space), and I really wish I'd have saved the money I spent buying all kinds of cheap tools and just picked up the craftsman (or even a real knifemaking grinder) much much sooner.

If I were going to sum up what I've learned about starting out in knifemaking so far in four rules, it would be this:

1. SAFETY FIRST! Get a good respirator. They'll look expensive at first. Then think how expensive your hospital bills will be if you get lung cancer, or tumors, or lung infections, etc. Get eye protection, especially for anything that throws sparks. Losing an eye sucks. I also recommend a shop apron that will protect your clothes from the sparks. I burned holes in several pairs of pants before I learned that lesson. I like to wear gloves in my shop, although many don't. My gloves saved me from losing a finger to my own stupidity coupled with a faulty buffer. I'll keep wearing them...

2. You get what you pay for. If I were going to do it over, I'd start with files, to find out if knifemaking really is for me. If you can do it with files, and still want to make more, then you'll want to buy good tools. I regret starting with the equipment that I did. I think I probably spent a good 600 dollars all told on stuff that I barely use now. I love my angle grinder (don't regret that one at all), and my drill press, and I do like the Craftsman 2x42. I also use my cheapo HF 4x36 for handle work a LOT. I could probably use a better quality one, but this one will do for now. The scroll saw, 2 1x30's, bench grinder, and battery powered dremel were all bad ideas, in my estimation. Oh, and there's clamps, vices, stuff for making sheaths, etc. There are a good many things that you'll probably find that you want or need, and it all adds up. I've regretted virtually every cheap tool I've purchased, with the exception of my awesome costco dremel.

3. Take your time. The other biggest problem I've had is that I'm really impatient. You get a much better project if you take it slow, use a light touch, and proceed as methodically as possible.

4. Shoot to make every knife better than the last one. Never cut corners, and try to learn and improve with every new knife. Darrin told me that when I sent out my very first blades to him for heat treat, and I think his advice is a large part of why I've gotten to the point where I have. I have so much more yet to learn, but it's really exciting to look back at those first knives and see how far you've come.
 
I use a lot of dymondwood. It is easier to work with than micarta but it is not nearly as tough, and it will delaminate a little bit if you're not careful with drilling it. It will not chisel at all, so making a sheath out of it will be tricky (if you had plans to do the sheath without a chisel, this will not be a problem for you). Honestly, I would recommend doing a full tang knife for your first one. I agree that your design could use more work, but I would say just go for it. This is your first knife, not your last knife — not everything has to be perfect. You will learn much more about design and process from making the knife now and thinking later about what you would have done differently than from agonizing over these things now. During the process of making your first knife (and forever after), look at other knives that people have made (both production and custom) and think hard about what makes them good/bad/different. Your second knife will be much better.
Good luck.

- Chris
 
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