First pistol. need suggestions

I love my 1911's, and have lost track of how many I have owned, but that said, I switched over to Glocks about 7 years ago for EDC. They are light weight, don't rust, and are virtually indestructible.

I know what you mean as a long time 1911 fan, who owns them in .45ACP and 10mm. I didn't want to have anything to do with a Glock for many years. That changed when I got a Glock 20sf in 10mm as an outdoors pistol. It is rugged, completely reliable, and handles the 10mm better than my 1911s because it has a lower barrel centerline and the polymer seems to absorb recoil better than my all steel 1911s. This is especially noticeable with hotter 10mm loads. In addition, I appreciate the light weight and capacity of the Glock when I'm in the mountain backcountry bow hunting.
I like the 1911, but they can take a little tweaking to get right. I don't have any problem with it, but 'cocked and locked' carry is intimidating for some people just starting out with concealed carry of handguns. It may take a little more time & dedication to be good to go with a 1911. That may fit with someone's particular needs or not. I look at the Glocks as very good tools.

Someone mentioned Sigs. Ive owned them and like them. Only have one now, a P239 in .40. Very nice compact pistol. I don't know what the quality or reliability is of some of their newer models. Haven't looked at them for awhile. - - Its amazing to see how high priced the Sigs and H&Ks have gotten. I can sell some of my used ones for more than I paid for them new. Thats what happens when they keep printing US dollars - - but I won't get off on that topic !
 
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Gah, no love for the HKs I see. If any of you pass through Atlanta, I invite all of you to shoot my HK45 LEM. I bet a steak dinner that you will change your mind about HKs. It's a double action at 4.5 pounds with about a quarter inch reset, and no over travel, which means you get the feel of a hammer fired gun that handles like a Glock's safe action.
 
Several pistol ranges I shoot at also rent handguns. Its a great way to feel different calibers and styles of handguns.
 
Gah, no love for the HKs I see. If any of you pass through Atlanta, I invite all of you to shoot my HK45 LEM. I bet a steak dinner that you will change your mind about HKs. It's a double action at 4.5 pounds with about a quarter inch reset, and no over travel, which means you get the feel of a hammer fired gun that handles like a Glock's safe action.


I'll probably never get to Atlanta, but if I do, I'll take you up on that offer. I've never shot that particular model.
Even if I did really like the way it shoots, the drawback for me would be, not being able to easily work on it.
That is just me though. Probably a very big percentage of people don't do their own gun work, so for them, ease of repair is not an issue.
I'm sure if I put my mind to it, and spent some time with them, I could figure out how to work on the Sig's and H&K'S, but I've spent so many years with 1911's, it's hard to get an old guy to change his ways
 
I am going to suggest what a few others have said...for a first time handgun that you plan to carry and (hopefully never) use for self defense, I would go with a revolver. I have a Smith and Wesson 642 Airweight. I carry it in my pocket and even take it on my lobster boat. It is exposed to dirt and sand and pocket lint and still has fired on every pull of the trigger. I got it used for $300. I practice with inexpensive .38 special ammo and carry it with +P jacketed hollow points. I'm not a gun guy either, I don't have the time or the money to go through thousands of practice rounds at the range to familiarize myself with the gun and it's potential failings. I do know that I can carry this gun in my jacket pocket and pull the trigger and it will go bang...no failure to feed, nothing to knock out of battery, no carrying in unsafe conditions like single action semi-automatics...It is a light weight gun and not fun to shoot with +P ammo but it is a reliable, point and shoot, idiot proof handgun.

if you think that .38 special is underpowered for a self defense cartridge (I don't. I sometimes carry a .380 as well) smith and wesson J-frames can be had in the more potent .357 magnum caliber.
 
Can't really disagree with those who recommend Glock . . . especially the Glock 19. It is almost concealable. Offers 15 rounds+1. Winchester FMJ ammo is relatively inexpensive and makes a good practice round. I keep one in my murse.

That said . . . if I'm forced to pick an always gun that I'll have with me everytime I leave the house . . . It would have to be an S&W Model 642 airweight. Five shots. Always goes bang. Load with 158 grain LHP (the FBI load) for business. Carry 6 extra rounds in a speed strip. Super concealable. Use a pocket holster. It's always there . . . in your right front pocket.

I feel undressed without mine.
 
I've never shot a Glock that I liked.

Listen to Harkamus. You need to shoot a HK. P30 is a sweet concealable gun.
 
I've never shot a Glock that I liked.

Listen to Harkamus. You need to shoot a HK. P30 is a sweet concealable gun.
That reminds me of something I don't think I mentioned earlier. I would suggest the OP try a striker fired handgun and a hammer fired handgun. Revolvers too of course, but they're always da/sa unless you get some cowboy action type sa gun of yore. The reason I say to try striker and hammer fired weapons is because they feel differently. Lots of folks don't like Glocks/XDs/what-have-you because the trigger on those feel different from a hammer fired weapon. To me a good da/sa/dao just feels mechanical. Strikers feel strange and just clicky to me.

Might be worth it to handle several models at your local shop or range and ask if you can dry fire to get a feel of the actions.
 
Gah, no love for the HKs I see. If any of you pass through Atlanta, I invite all of you to shoot my HK45 LEM. I bet a steak dinner that you will change your mind about HKs. It's a double action at 4.5 pounds with about a quarter inch reset, and no over travel, which means you get the feel of a hammer fired gun that handles like a Glock's safe action.

I'll be in Atlanta for Blade in June, I like my steak rare :D


Just to throw my own 2 cents in for .22 pistols, I vote Browning Buckmark.

Also, here's a good thread about .22 pistols that recently popped up in the Busse forum

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/923795-plinker

also, CZ makes a nice .22 conversion
 
I'll throw in for any high quality pistol chambered for a legitimate self defense caliber, .38/9mm/.40/.45. I carry Glocks and won't switch, just because all my training is on those fine pistols. I don't think it matters too much which one you end up with as long as it's quality. Find a used one and spark it up a couple notches with some night sights and a Tactical Flashlight, a good holster is key. Think of it as a self defense system. Having done that and then gotten your CCW/CHL whatever it is in PA, you need training, Get to a quality school. You don't know what you don't know until you've been through some training.
 
Clich, I suggest you make a list of things you are looking for in a pistol.

Price
Caliber desired if you have a preference
Intended purpose
Minimum ammo capacity
Attachment capable desired?

When you can set some of the variables it is easier to provide suggestions.

Here are my very basic suggestions though.

Get a reliable brand.
Get one that feels comfortable and is easy to point meaning that it aims well while in a comfortable position. Ideally you want the gun to point right where you want to shoot without having to really aim down the sights and articulate it onto target. You don't want to have to twist and cant your arms and wrist to an uncomfortable position to get it to be on target.
If you are planning to carry it around every day then get a gun that is light enough and thin enough because if you buy one that is too heavy or uncomfortable then you will end up not liking to carry it and wont end up carrying it.
 
Hey Mike - not meaning to single you out or incite a personal attack, but your post is great to provide comment for a few other posts as well.

I love my 1911's, and have lost track of how many I have owned, but that said, I switched over to Glocks about 7 years ago for EDC. They are light weight, don't rust, and are virtually indestructible.
PLUS, they are very easy to work on, and repair if you need to. My EDC for the last 7 years or so, has been a Glock 36. Single stack 45. Similar in size to a 1911 Commander. and conceals comfortably.
I have put thousands of rounds through it, and have never had a failure to function.
When they first came out, people were saying they were junk because the were having cycling problems. It wasn't the gun, it was the shooters. Just about any semi auto pistol will not cycle if it is limp wristed.
The first time my wife shot my 36, it stove piped. I told her how to hold it correctly, and she never had any problems after that.

By far, the .45ACP is my personal fav round for handguns. In a self-defense role there really is not much to improve on. However, if for some reason i wanted more power then i'd go to a 10mm and use full-power loads in an appropriate handgun.

I prefer 45 acp. The big heavy, slow moving bullets have proven themselves over many years, and with the 45 you can shoot ball ammo for practice, and I wouldn't hesitate to use it for a defensive round

It really is an excellent threat-stopper - especially with all the awesome *factory, over-the-counter* ammunition available.

I'm not a fan of the 40. It is a very high pressure round, as well as being expensive to shoot, as other shave mentioned. IMHO, it was an answer to a problem that never existed. They wanted something more effective than a 9mm, because the performance of the 9mm was giving poor results. I also think it was more of a marketing idea to sell more new guns and ammo, than anything else.

The .40S&W came about as a Law-Enforcement round after the FBI had developed the very potent 10mm (along with Bren-Ten and others) for their Field Agents in a S&W semi-auto platform. The need for an increased-power threat-stopper absolutely came after a series of horrible 9mm epic failures (the most note-worthy was an incident in Miami, FL). The 9mm round simply did not do what a handgun in a Law-Enforcement role requires - to eliminate an assailant's ability to harm others when there is probable/imminent/unavoidable cause to believe that assailant intends on harming others.

However, the FBI was noticing feed/accuracy-problems resulting from the requirement to strong-hold the powerful firearm when shooting - something which proved too difficult for too many Field Agents. So, the FBI developed "reduced-power-loads" for their 10mm's and the problem was solved. Via licensing with S&W's R&D Team, the 10mm case was shortened and became the .40S&W. The ballistics are nearly identical to the FBI's "reduced-power-loads" 10mm and is a *very* potent threat-mitigating round hence it's large-scale adoption by Police Departs across the States.

I know there are fans of H&K and Sigs, IMHO they are over priced. I also don't care for the triggers on them, but that is a personal thing and everyone is different. They are not easy to work on either, and I don't own guns that I can't repair.

I agree completely!!! I *love* the H&K semi-autos - WOW! what great handguns, but don't love the price tag. Nearly the same with Sig-Sauer. They are further testaments to Swiss precision engineering and manufacturing - again, at a big price tag.

Anyway, imho, if the handgun is for self-defense in a CCW capacity start with a cartridge that gets the job done. A threat-stopping cartridge is 1st priorty for a weapon in this role followed by a close-second expertise in using it. To me, Glock delivers on performance in bad situations year after year and at a price that's manageable.

For a 1st-time handgun owner (who has said he's not recoil-prone), it's best to start with the right choice (caliber/platform) and become accustomed to it until it is an extension of the hand/eye.

It's not like the .40S&W is a light-frame .44 Mag - the recoil is easily manageable.
 
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Thank you fish. One thing I need to take into account is that I need my wife to be able to shoot it as well. I only wanna spend about 500 cash but hopefully I can get an extra 200 with trading in an a-500. Im thinking a 9mm may be my best choice. Cheaper les recoil for the wife but hollow points for stopping power. I also think that I don't need anything crazy as far as mag size. I think a 10 round is the very most I would like. I think something like a 6+1 is good enough for SD and I can always carry a second magazine. dunno if ill find a 6 but I'd settle for a 10. Just no bigger. I don't plan on getting into any fire fights EVER so a 15 or 20 mag is out of the questiin. knowing I got 7 rounds is plenty for my comfort level.

I also need a way to carry it comfortable and concealed. Does a slim belt holster conceal well enough under a T-shirt? Is an IWB comfortable to move and drive with, etc. I feel like I have a long journey ahead of me.
 
The need for an increased-power threat-stopper absolutely came after a series of horrible 9mm epic failures (the most note-worthy was an incident in Miami, FL).

That incident was fubar from the start, I don't think the 9mm can be all to blame.

Thank you fish. One thing I need to take into account is that I need my wife to be able to shoot it as well. I only wanna spend about 500 cash but hopefully I can get an extra 200 with trading in an a-500. Im thinking a 9mm may be my best choice. Cheaper les recoil for the wife but hollow points for stopping power. I also think that I don't need anything crazy as far as mag size. I think a 10 round is the very most I would like. I think something like a 6+1 is good enough for SD and I can always carry a second magazine. dunno if ill find a 6 but I'd settle for a 10. Just no bigger. I don't plan on getting into any fire fights EVER so a 15 or 20 mag is out of the questiin. knowing I got 7 rounds is plenty for my comfort level.

I also need a way to carry it comfortable and concealed. Does a slim belt holster conceal well enough under a T-shirt? Is an IWB comfortable to move and drive with, etc. I feel like I have a long journey ahead of me.

If your A-500 is in good condition, or is a commemorative, you should be able to get more than $200

So, what we have so far is:

MAX- $700
Caliber- 9mm
Capacity- Not a lot
Polymer or all steel- Doesn't matter too much


Well, it's on the cheap side, they don't look like much, but I've yet to see one that has been shot to death is a Bersa 9mm. IF you can find one and you have a buddy who works at a gunshop, you MIGHT be able to get a Kimber Solo Carry, but I'd count on finding Jimmy Hoffa first before you found a steal on a Solo Carry.

If you can find one, and I'll warn you it's fugly, is the Berreta Nano. But Beretta aren't the nicest people to work with.

Maybe a Kahr CW9.

Really with the low magazine capacity (single stack mag) you get go to stream line gun that would be very concealable. I guess I have 1 more question, would you want a striker fire or something with a hammer?
 
Hmm don't really have a preference but for what others have said I may like a hammer better. More mechanical feel. But that is definitely not a deal breaker either way
 
Walther PPQ is arguably the best gun on the market right now...If you can get your paws on one it is likely you'll never want to put it down.

Much more comfortable than a glock IMO (hated the way they felt in hand).

Fanmtastic trigger reset. Just a fantastic gun.

As far as carrying concealed look at PHLster holsters. Fantastic buy for the money and a great guy to deal with. A pancake holster will keep the gun closer to your body so it is easier to conceal.
 
Walther PPQ is arguably the best gun on the market right now...

I wouldn't go that far. It is a decent gun with its own set of issues. . The finish issues plus a video on the web showing the slide to frame fit the slide wobbles by far the worst fit i ever have seen on any polymer. Everyone say's it's normal but i would be very upset to have a gun like that or finish issue's...staying HK here !!
 
Go to a range that rents handguns, or at the very least go to a local gunshop and put as many different ones in your hand as you can. DO NOT listen to the clerk if he/she starts trying to steer you towards a specific model. Shoot or fondle as many as you can.

What works for someone else may not work for you. One size does not fit all.
 
That incident was fubar from the start, I don't think the 9mm can be all to blame.

lol!!! True, true.

Unfortunately, tragically, it's not the only incident of it's kind and especially nowadays when the perp all-too-frequently has serious firepower in-hand.

Not that the cartridge in the chamber is the only part of the solution, but it sure helps to have the right 'medicine' from the start!!!

Go to a range that rents handguns, or at the very least go to a local gunshop and put as many different ones in your hand as you can. DO NOT listen to the clerk if he/she starts trying to steer you towards a specific model. Shoot or fondle as many as you can.

What works for someone else may not work for you. One size does not fit all.

^ That's some great advice!!! The "fly in the soup" is what happens when the poorest quality firearm "feels" best in the hand? So much for "feelings", but yea, ergo's are definitely important.
 
I love my Sig Sauer p220 . It's .45 acp, can take a beating and still dish one out. I carry mine daily , since I already put my life on it, I may as well stake my reputation on it as well. It gets my vote.
 
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